Taking Sides: Burzum vs Skrewdriver

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...and whose minions are more depraved and fanatical?
also, you can use this thread to discuss the music (if you want to call it that.)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i've always wanted to check out some Burzum. that other thread makes me want to hear some even more. but then all i needed to hear were the words "shoegazer metal" to get me going. loved the Lords Of Chaos book by the way. i've also been meaning to pick up the first Skrewdriver record as well. every punk fan i know has told me that it's essential stuff. as for latter-day Skrewdriver i'm not all that interested. My tastes in skinhead/oi run along the Business/Oppressed/4-Skins lines. I'm more of a sea shanty singalong enthusiast.Sham 69 still bring a tear to my eye.My last dubious purchase was that Japanese skinhead band comp. It was a hoot!

scott seward, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

"Harry May" would probably make my top 100 favorite songs of all time. "The Kids Are United" might too. "Loud Proud & Punk" might crack my top 200.

scott seward, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

at this point, I'd just like to say that the VH1 History of Punk think that came out last year spent more time talking about skinheads and nazi punks in america than, say, Husker Du & the Replacements combined.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

loved the Lords Of Chaos book by the way.

Michael Moynihan who wrote this is a pretty disgusting individual whose racial views stink. I hope you got sent a free copy and didn't put money in this piece of shit's pocket...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, i heard stuff about him after the fact. i still don't know any specifics. i think the only thing i knew about him prior to reading the book was that he contributed to Seconds magazine which i used to read. the book is fairly objective though. i don't think anyone reading it could really tell what his politics were. i could be wrong though. like i said, i heard stuff about him after the fact. i didn't go back to the book and check to see if i could detect anything like that from him.The actual STORIES of the Norwegian kids/gangs/groups were what fascinated me.It would make a great movie.

scott seward, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

for all i hate this sort of stuff, i'd definitely watch a movie about it - it is kinda fascinating. i read the book, too, but knew about his politics and approached it in a "know your enemy kinda" way. it wasn't a bad read, but being previously informed kinda coloured the way i interpreted a lot of it, i guess.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Explain what you mean about Moynihan's political/racial views, for those of us who don't know the story... I have been wanting to read this book, but now I don't know... anyone have a used copy they'd sell me?

Ben Boyer, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, i don't know any specifics either. is he like a Boyd Rice kinda guy? The kinda guy that used to be interviewed in seconds magazine come to think of it.

scott seward, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

He's a very vocal libertarian/conservative and a big defender of current US foreign policies. His blog more or less tells it all.

Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

The first Skrewdriver album isn't "skinhead" or oi at all, it's fucking classic rock, and yes it fucking rules.

The only Burzum I have is Filosofem. Cool record, I like it a lot; I'd say it sounds more like the Dead C playing Black Metal than some shoegazer band. But then that pointless 25 minutes electronic piece really kills the album. What a wierd guy.

Anyway Skrewdriver wins for that classic first record, easy.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

That Moynihan guy needs a serious beating. Why does the wackjob right spend so much time trying to "discredit" the left? It's all kinds of lame, especially when they're like "ooh, those leftists, all they ever do is bitch"--good job, kettle.

I think we've discussed the utter lameness of the overuse of "sic" when quoting something--very Usenet. He does that a lot too. Grr.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

The Lords of Chaos book is decent though...a bit sensationalist, too focused on the Norwegian situation and most disappointingly, it hardly addresses the music. There's tons of interesting things to say about underground metal and its development across the globe, but I think we'll see a book about that someday. But as an "outsider" view of the Norwegian situation it's well done, Moynihan did lots of research, most people involved get their say and apart from a few details it's factually correct. Considering the rampant anti-US/Israel sentiments among the far-right niche of black metal, I doubt Moynihan would've written the book that way today.

Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Skrewdriver, vile as they were in their later incarnation, did actually rock (as a few of my friends pointed out, in ways heavily influenced by R&B, go figure). The pre-racist version can be enjoyed even more w/o serious qualms--search, especially, "Anti-Social."

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

there's a lot more to read, but this piece from searchlightmagazine.com may give some indication. admittedly searchlight is and anti-nazi publication, so is pretty forthright and uncompromising re moynihan, but its reporting is generally pretty solid...

Antihuman - Misanthropy Records
Hadleigh in Suffolk may seem an odd place for Britain's Black Metal inner sanctum, but it is here, in this picturesque English village, that some of the key players reside. Not only is it home to Cradle of Filth, a commercially-minded mainstream Black Metal band, but it is also the base for the secretive Misanthropy Records, a key component of the international National Socialist Black Metal scene. Chris Cayton reports.
Misanthropy Records, launched in 1993, plays a pivotal role in producing and distributing some of the most extreme Black Metal and industrial music in the world. Misanthropy produces a dozen bands through its own labels, as well as acting as distributor for approximately another 50 acts. Its latest catalogue proudly boasts the entire back catalogue of the Norwegian Black Metal band Burzum, as well as CDs from bands as diverse as the Black Metal arsonists Mayhem to the Italian industrialists Ain Soph and Michael Moynihan's Blood Axis. Apart from the distribution of CDs, Misanthropy does a thriving trade in publications, t-shirts, badges and videos.

It is run by a 27-year-old German woman named Tiziana Stupia, who also goes under the name of Diamanda.

Misanthropy was originally created to assist the Norwegian nazi Varg Vikernes, who sings as the one-man band Burzum, in releasing his musical material, as no other record company would entertain this fascist. Vikernes has an unenviable reputation for violent and extremist politics.

In 1994 he was sentenced to 21 years in prison for the murder of the founder of Black Metal, Oystein Aarseth, and for setting fire to historical churches. For these crimes Vikernes was fined a total of 23 million Norwegian Kroner (£1.8 million). Despite this he has continued to be a major influence on the underground Black Metal scene and national socialist politics.

Vikernes has long been associated with Satanism, a label he is keen to dismiss. Asked if he was a Satanist in the Norwegian nazi publication, Fritt Forum, Vikernes replied: "No I have never been a Satanist. I have on the other hand used the term in the meaning as an opponent of all Jewish religions. Christendom, Satanism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism etc are all foreign religions, which have nothing to do with our race".

Misanthropy has become the main supporter and promoter of Vikernes's political and musical projects and despite his incarceration, it has little difficulty obtaining his work. Its mail order operation sells and promotes the entire Burzum catalogue of music and other merchandise including the notorious Burzum t-shirt and flag, "Support your local Einsatzkommando", which come complete with a death's-head symbol. Much of this seems to be organised by Rainer, the main influence and writer of the Burzum website.

Despite an announcement by Misanthropy that it intends to cease business, it has only recently released the latest Burzum CD, Hlidskjalf.

Misanthropy is not solely a distributor of Black Metal music. Its catalogue contains a wide variety of musical styles. Indeed it has a sub-genre label, Elfenblut, which specialises in what is known as dark ambient music. One thing binds them all. They are all considered extreme forms of music and some of the other bands have similar, if not identical, politics to Vikernes.

Like many distributors of nazi music, Misanthropy claims that it can dissociate itself from the politics and philosophies of the artists. It claims to be upholding free speech and simply to be providing a service to listeners. These claims fall flat, when one realises that its website is linked to some of the most extreme nazi sites across the world, including those of the Heathen Front and the Thulean brotherhood.

Misanthropy's extremist merchandise is not confined to the works of Vikernes. Among other items distributed is material by the American band Blood Axis and Allerseelen, the musical project of the Austrian known as Kadmon

Blood Axis is run by the Oregon-based extremist Michael Moynihan. Moynihan is a well known Satanist and nazi who has been an influence on the Black Metal scene since he wrote Lords of Chaos: the bloody rise of the Satanic Metal Underground. This book was written in conjunction with the former Morgenbladet journalist Didrik Soderlind, who now plies his trade for the Norwegian edition of Playboy magazine.

When Moynihan was asked by the Scottish based fanzine Compulsion whether he considered himself a fascist, he replied: "I will say outright: if fascism will restore some sense of order, discipline and responsibility to the world, then I am all for it".

One Blood Axis CD sold by Misanthropy Records is Blot - Live in Sweden. This album opens with a recording of a speech by the British fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley, which begins "Brother blackshirts, my comrades in struggle. Our fight is for the soul and in that battle we go forward together until victory be won."

Politically, Moynihan courts controversy. His views range from outright fascism and Satanism, to a keen interest in paganism and social Darwinism. He denies being a nazi and has denounced the personality cult around national socialism, believing it too limited. However, when asked in an interview: "If you were given the opportunity to gas blacks and Jews, would you do it?" he replied: "If I were given the opportunity to start the next Holocaust, I would definitely have far more lenient entrance requirements than the Nazis did".

Kadmon, the man behind Allerseelen, also produces pamphlets on his particular form of nazi paganism and ultra nationalism. Included in Allerseelen's written works available from Misanthropy are tracts on Leni Riefenstahl, Vikernes, Nordic religions and the "volkish way". His music includes the single Kaferlied which is a tribute to the nazi and occultist Ernst Junger.

A more secretive figure involved in Misanthropy is Steven O'Malley. Formerly resident in England, O'Malley was deported back to Los Angeles in 1998 after failing to extend his work permit. Despite returning to America, he remains connected to Misanthropy.

Aside from Misanthropy, O'Malley produces and publishes the underground magazine Descent, a glossy and well produced publication for bands on the extreme fringes of music. The links with Misanthropy and those who are around them are obvious. As well as giving credits to Tiziana, O'Malley carries articles from Misanthropy's friends Blood Axis and Allerseelen, alongside advertisements for the Nazi skin band Rahowa from Resistance Records and Burzum.

Despite Misanthropy's extensive mail order and CD operation, readers may be surprised to hear that the company, Misanthropy Records Ltd, has no income. The directors' report attached to its latest financial statements, filed at Companies House, claims that the company has had no income or expenditure. And this seems to have been the case for the past four years. The explanation may be that Misanthropy is also the name of a linked unincorporated business, which would not have to file any accounts.

Misanthropy Records Ltd may claim to be up for sale, but it is likely that it will re-emerge in one form or another. The cynical may think that the timing of the sale is a little too convenient and aimed at deflecting any official interest in its links with Vikernes.

If Misanthropy does re-emerge, there is little doubt that it will continue to promote the nazis who use its services as a badge of convenience.

TOP

Copyright © 1999, Searchlight,

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

there's a lot more to read, but this piece from searchlightmagazine.com may give some indication. admittedly searchlight is an anti-nazi publication, so is pretty forthright and uncompromising re moynihan, but its reporting is generally pretty solid...

Antihuman - Misanthropy Records
Hadleigh in Suffolk may seem an odd place for Britain's Black Metal inner sanctum, but it is here, in this picturesque English village, that some of the key players reside. Not only is it home to Cradle of Filth, a commercially-minded mainstream Black Metal band, but it is also the base for the secretive Misanthropy Records, a key component of the international National Socialist Black Metal scene. Chris Cayton reports.
Misanthropy Records, launched in 1993, plays a pivotal role in producing and distributing some of the most extreme Black Metal and industrial music in the world. Misanthropy produces a dozen bands through its own labels, as well as acting as distributor for approximately another 50 acts. Its latest catalogue proudly boasts the entire back catalogue of the Norwegian Black Metal band Burzum, as well as CDs from bands as diverse as the Black Metal arsonists Mayhem to the Italian industrialists Ain Soph and Michael Moynihan's Blood Axis. Apart from the distribution of CDs, Misanthropy does a thriving trade in publications, t-shirts, badges and videos.

It is run by a 27-year-old German woman named Tiziana Stupia, who also goes under the name of Diamanda.

Misanthropy was originally created to assist the Norwegian nazi Varg Vikernes, who sings as the one-man band Burzum, in releasing his musical material, as no other record company would entertain this fascist. Vikernes has an unenviable reputation for violent and extremist politics.

In 1994 he was sentenced to 21 years in prison for the murder of the founder of Black Metal, Oystein Aarseth, and for setting fire to historical churches. For these crimes Vikernes was fined a total of 23 million Norwegian Kroner (£1.8 million). Despite this he has continued to be a major influence on the underground Black Metal scene and national socialist politics.

Vikernes has long been associated with Satanism, a label he is keen to dismiss. Asked if he was a Satanist in the Norwegian nazi publication, Fritt Forum, Vikernes replied: "No I have never been a Satanist. I have on the other hand used the term in the meaning as an opponent of all Jewish religions. Christendom, Satanism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism etc are all foreign religions, which have nothing to do with our race".

Misanthropy has become the main supporter and promoter of Vikernes's political and musical projects and despite his incarceration, it has little difficulty obtaining his work. Its mail order operation sells and promotes the entire Burzum catalogue of music and other merchandise including the notorious Burzum t-shirt and flag, "Support your local Einsatzkommando", which come complete with a death's-head symbol. Much of this seems to be organised by Rainer, the main influence and writer of the Burzum website.

Despite an announcement by Misanthropy that it intends to cease business, it has only recently released the latest Burzum CD, Hlidskjalf.

Misanthropy is not solely a distributor of Black Metal music. Its catalogue contains a wide variety of musical styles. Indeed it has a sub-genre label, Elfenblut, which specialises in what is known as dark ambient music. One thing binds them all. They are all considered extreme forms of music and some of the other bands have similar, if not identical, politics to Vikernes.

Like many distributors of nazi music, Misanthropy claims that it can dissociate itself from the politics and philosophies of the artists. It claims to be upholding free speech and simply to be providing a service to listeners. These claims fall flat, when one realises that its website is linked to some of the most extreme nazi sites across the world, including those of the Heathen Front and the Thulean brotherhood.

Misanthropy's extremist merchandise is not confined to the works of Vikernes. Among other items distributed is material by the American band Blood Axis and Allerseelen, the musical project of the Austrian known as Kadmon

Blood Axis is run by the Oregon-based extremist Michael Moynihan. Moynihan is a well known Satanist and nazi who has been an influence on the Black Metal scene since he wrote Lords of Chaos: the bloody rise of the Satanic Metal Underground. This book was written in conjunction with the former Morgenbladet journalist Didrik Soderlind, who now plies his trade for the Norwegian edition of Playboy magazine.

When Moynihan was asked by the Scottish based fanzine Compulsion whether he considered himself a fascist, he replied: "I will say outright: if fascism will restore some sense of order, discipline and responsibility to the world, then I am all for it".

One Blood Axis CD sold by Misanthropy Records is Blot - Live in Sweden. This album opens with a recording of a speech by the British fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley, which begins "Brother blackshirts, my comrades in struggle. Our fight is for the soul and in that battle we go forward together until victory be won."

Politically, Moynihan courts controversy. His views range from outright fascism and Satanism, to a keen interest in paganism and social Darwinism. He denies being a nazi and has denounced the personality cult around national socialism, believing it too limited. However, when asked in an interview: "If you were given the opportunity to gas blacks and Jews, would you do it?" he replied: "If I were given the opportunity to start the next Holocaust, I would definitely have far more lenient entrance requirements than the Nazis did".

Kadmon, the man behind Allerseelen, also produces pamphlets on his particular form of nazi paganism and ultra nationalism. Included in Allerseelen's written works available from Misanthropy are tracts on Leni Riefenstahl, Vikernes, Nordic religions and the "volkish way". His music includes the single Kaferlied which is a tribute to the nazi and occultist Ernst Junger.

A more secretive figure involved in Misanthropy is Steven O'Malley. Formerly resident in England, O'Malley was deported back to Los Angeles in 1998 after failing to extend his work permit. Despite returning to America, he remains connected to Misanthropy.

Aside from Misanthropy, O'Malley produces and publishes the underground magazine Descent, a glossy and well produced publication for bands on the extreme fringes of music. The links with Misanthropy and those who are around them are obvious. As well as giving credits to Tiziana, O'Malley carries articles from Misanthropy's friends Blood Axis and Allerseelen, alongside advertisements for the Nazi skin band Rahowa from Resistance Records and Burzum.

Despite Misanthropy's extensive mail order and CD operation, readers may be surprised to hear that the company, Misanthropy Records Ltd, has no income. The directors' report attached to its latest financial statements, filed at Companies House, claims that the company has had no income or expenditure. And this seems to have been the case for the past four years. The explanation may be that Misanthropy is also the name of a linked unincorporated business, which would not have to file any accounts.

Misanthropy Records Ltd may claim to be up for sale, but it is likely that it will re-emerge in one form or another. The cynical may think that the timing of the sale is a little too convenient and aimed at deflecting any official interest in its links with Vikernes.

If Misanthropy does re-emerge, there is little doubt that it will continue to promote the nazis who use its services as a badge of convenience.

TOP

Copyright © 1999, Searchlight,

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Despite an announcement by Misanthropy that it intends to cease business, it has only recently released the latest Burzum CD, Hlidskjalf.

This is a rather old article, after Hlidskjalf Misanthropy has indeed stopped signing new bands, releasing new albums, promotion and all that. The infamous mailorder distro the article is about has also shut down. At the moment, Misanthropy only formally exists to keep its back catalogue in print.

That aside, Moynihan is clearly a complete nutter.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah it says 1999 at the bottom, Siegbran! I included it for reference, but it's stll good background on the man!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"there's tons of interesting things to say about underground metal and its development across the globe, but I think we'll see a book about that someday"

siegbran, please tell us that you're writing such a book.

dan (dan), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like racism. Therefore I have no time for Skrewdriver.

Evan (Evan), Thursday, 26 June 2003 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd really like to write a book about that, but I haven't got the time (fulltime job) or the writing skillz.

Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 26 June 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't like racism either but i have a sort of morbid interest in music made by creepy people, also the only skrewdriver i've heard - the early chiswick records ("pre-racist") singles sides - are good punk rock...the burzum tracks i've heard were good too, better actually 'cause just weirder & crazier.

duane (doorag), Thursday, 26 June 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Are Death In June Nazi's?

Royston, Saturday, 23 August 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Are Death In June Nazi's?

Hard to tell, he certainly flirts with the image, but I'm not sure if there's any actual belief in the politics. At least a lot of the fans I know say it's just a sort of Laibach-like love of such imagery (and I assume the reactions it brings out of people)

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Saturday, 23 August 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

No, they´re are not litterally "nazis" although Douglas P (=DIJ) has some fascist or racialist opinions. I think that DIJ´s "nazism" is kind of aesthetic fascism; they use SS Totenkopf symbols and runes in their covers and some lyrics includes strange references to 3rd Reich like in song "Runes and men" in "Brown book" album. Anyway, DIJ songs have aslo apperead in pure NS compilations, namely in tribute compilations of Leni Riefensthal (double album by VAWS label) and Josef Thorak (VAWS label). The ex-member of June, Tony Wakeford (now the frontman of Sol Invictus), did a fascist album in 1985 called "Songs of the Wolf" under the band name "Above the Ruins". Wakeford was also a short period member of National Front in mid-eighties.88/14

Division Kalevala Finland, Saturday, 23 August 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the MO behind fascism was that the images WERE the politics. (Well, they're the people who judge others by how they 'look', rite?)

dave q, Saturday, 23 August 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Thats weird. The post i replied to has vanished. Making it look weird i asked about Death In June, but I was responding to what someone said about them.

Royston, Saturday, 23 August 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

that "Lord In Chaos" book is a great laugh, even if it is written by NAZIS. the pagan/satanic rockers in it come across as sad mentalists rather than in any way the kind of figures who would inspire fascistic adulation. it's very hard to take seriously anyone who goes on about how Conan The Barbarian is the greatest film ever made, as some German Black Metallers do.

do those Searchlight people source those Moynihan quotes they use?

I did like the fact that the Lords of Chaos book engages with the ideology of the bands the book covers, rather than just scoffing at it. It does still make the Black Metal bands sound rather unpleasant, though.

I get the impression Burzum are more musically inventive than Skrewdriver, not that I've actually heard either. apparently a lot of the Black Metal bands also like early Kraftwerk and would do side-albums of ambient electronica.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 24 August 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

but "conan the barbarian" is the greatest film ever made!!

i'm lying, it isn't really

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 24 August 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

apparently a lot of the Black Metal bands also like early Kraftwerk and would do side-albums of ambient electronica.

Yeah, Fenriz of Darkthrone did a couple of albums that sounded like Tangerine Dream/Klaus Schulze etc. I heard one, which wasn't too hot, but a friend of mine who's way more into that Berlin-electronica thing said the other one actually is good.
Not too surprising, I guess, as a lot of the early 90s black metal bands put more thought into trying to set an atmosphere than writing catchy riffs or melodies.

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Sunday, 24 August 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Skrewdriver is such an old, old strawman, everybody knows they're a silly relic. V*gin*l J*sus, anyone? (para. Jello - "Nazi Googlers Fuck Off"!)

dave q, Monday, 25 August 2003 08:41 (twenty-two years ago)

apparently a lot of the Black Metal bands also like early Kraftwerk and would do side-albums of ambient electronica.

I know shit about black metal, but a friend of mine who does told me that this is partly because some of the Nazi black metalists finally realized that rock music was invented by the African-Americans, so they decided they should do racially pure (=beatless) music instead.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 25 August 2003 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

By the way, a couple of years ago there was a skinhead gig in Helsinki, and a reporter from a local newspaper asked the promoter of the gig: "Why are you playing rock music, wasn't it was black r'n'b originally?" The guy got really angry and said: "No! It was Bill Haley who invented rock music!" Then he accused the reporter of being a "white nigger" and threw all sorts of cuss words at her. Boy, how ignorant can you get?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 25 August 2003 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I know shit about black metal, but a friend of mine who does told me that this is partly because some of the Nazi black metalists finally realized that rock music was invented by the African-Americans, so they decided they should do racially pure (=beatless) music instead.

That's the reason Vikernes gave when he performed his ideological & musical volteface, yes. But tons of non-nazi black metal musicians did the minimalist electronic thing way before that too...the musical links between minimalist ambient and black metal have always been quite obvious.

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 25 August 2003 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
Whatever your opinions about Skrewdriver check their "White Rider" (1987)album. Catchy melodies and great lyrics like ballad song "Snow fell". The album makes trendy-lefty pseudo-revolutionaries (pro-ZOG anyway) very angry because it is musically so good: they can´t admit that also right-wingers can do great and elevating music.

Division Kalevala Finland, Sunday, 8 February 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

what do you consider myself to be a "division" of?

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"myself" = "yourself", obv

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I did like the fact that the Lords of Chaos book engages with the ideology of the bands the book covers, rather than just scoffing at it. It does still make the Black Metal bands sound rather unpleasant, though.

Well, more like it inserted two-three chapters of comments by black metal musicians into a pre-existing wishful thinking treatise on the rebirth of Euro facism. I don't think most people bother reading beyond the first 100 pages, but Lords of Chaos really takes black metal for a ride.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

the point Siegbran makes upthread says a lot about the ever-growing divide between neocons and the European far-Right, of course ...

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Anway, since Burzum was reduced to making Nintendo soundtracks by the time Varg was full-blown Nazi, and since you did say depraved:

http://spearoflonginus.ark11.net/img/nom01.jpg

investigate Aussie "nazi occult metal" act Spear of Longinus, twisted investigators of THE YOGA OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

http://spearoflonginus.ark11.net/tyons02.jpg

kult!

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

best album cover ever by a nazi band. i swear to god, i thought it was a psychic warriorz ov gaia album first time i saw it.

just wish that reissue of "nada brahma/nazi occult metal" would make it to the US.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The teachings of SOL (great acronym!!) are awesome! -- and apparently rooted in history: Nazi mysticism promoting yoga and meditation as a way to visit other planets and transcend this crummy mud race existance we all endure. Elijah Muhammed look out! Big game of Space War gonna be happening when this race ragnarok of the minds breaks out.

Also, for the connection-mappers out there: Conrad Schnitzler from Tangerine Dream plays the intro "Silvester Anfang" on the first self-released Mayhem record, Deathcrush. That was in 1987, after Euronymous (the Stalinist) went to Berlin to meet him. I guess I'm not loathe to mention that Sound of the Beast is full of such gems, so go ahead and read it!

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

In the black metal world, Burzum is supposed to have some kind of musical value. While I have never heard anybody really say anything about Skrewdriver musically at all. Also, Burzum has fans more or less everywhere while Skrewdriver's fanbase is more or less exclusively limited to rascist circles. So I guess Burzum are musically better, at least if you like that kind of genre...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Racists and dipshit 'punk rock' record collectors, if we're being pedantic, but yeah that's about the size of it

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Interesting bit in Mark Radcliffe's book about his brief stint as drummer for Skrewdriver. pre nazi time obv.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

The album makes trendy-lefty pseudo-revolutionaries (pro-ZOG anyway)...

who the fuck writes this kind of thing? "pro-ZOG", ZOG meaning the "Zionist Occupation Government"? i hope to god this is just some wally making a provocative post just to annoy people and not deploying this term seriously. in any case, sad wanker on the one hand; deluded, paranoid, racist fuckwit on the other...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

if he does mean it seriously he'd be showing how much the far-Right hate the Bush administration, because it's not the right *kind* of far-Right for them ... i note that "Division Kalevala Finland" has not responded to my earlier post.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)


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