Who will be the great artists of our times for people who aren't born yet.

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In the past 15 years or so, who do you think will be praised the most by people who aren't born yet or who are still very young, such as someone like me who is 19 listening to Roxy Music and Eno even though they were before my time. You can answer this in terms of the aforementioned (future left of the field fans) or a more mass opinion (such as kids praising Hendrix and Pink Floyd).

― James Morris (HorrayJames), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

People will look back and weep.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 23:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Blonde Redhead.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

david tyack

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Radiohead is SO Floyd. Sleater-Kinney is SO the Clash. Weezer is SO Cheap Trick. White Stripes are so something too. I'm afraid to say about younger bands cuz frankly we don't know what will become of them (Alex In NYC may kill most of them).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

probably the same people who are massively acclaimed here-and-now, since that's tended to remain the case throughout history (yes yes there's exceptions, just as many nonexceptions)

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

(rather more nonexceptions)

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Only Fumya Tanaka and Marc Acardipane will be remembered from this era. People of the future will wonder why their genius wasn't recognised.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i dunno if i buy those parallels, though, Anthony. they make sense in one respect or another, but i don't think history will record them similiarly; Weezer may be in some ways comparable to Cheap Trick, but they won't be remembered in the same way, I don't think. their career so far isn't really going in the same direction, at least. i can't say i have a better answer, though

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

it's because they haven't made any good records, Al

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

such false humility, Pat!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm with Matos of course but I will say that I'm glad somebody agrees with me on the Cheap Trick/Weezer parallel. When I first tried to suggest that on here a year or two back people had fits.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

they were fools. I've been saying this for two years too. And Weezer's first two albums are better than any single Cheap Trick album. So nyeh nyeh.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Who's the Big Star of the early 21st century?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Posies

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like Cheap Trick either! but I like Weezer less

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

And Weezer's first two albums are better than any single Cheap Trick album.

See, we differ here.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I SAID nyeh nyeh.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Not sure, but I'm going to go way out on a limb and say it won't be Andrew WK.

― ham on rye (ham on rye), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Weezer may be in some ways comparable to Cheap Trick, but they won't be remembered in the same way, I don't think. their career so far isn't really going in the same direction, at least.

I think I would die of ecstacy if Weezer showed up dressed like the Dream Police.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Alan Jackson!

You know, my gut says Matos is mostly right, but I think it's worth wondering whether the exceptions don't start to overwhelm things. For one thing, of the acts that are massively critically acclaimed right now, I'd guess less than a third of them will be widely remembered as classics down the line. For another thing, of the acts that are massively popular but critically not as well liked, certain acts will be remembered based on sheer omnipresence, and will be not only remembered just as pop but also possibly critically rehabilitated. Even of the ones who get both -- popularity and critical approval -- surely only thirty, forty percent of them will be remembered by the general public? Though obviously they're the best shots.

I'm most curious about how the canonization process will work out with current popular (non-indie) rock and especially nu-metal: the big names are currently silent and the whole thing's turned a bit singles, so it's hard to tell. I would not be at all surprised to see an apple-cheeked pop/punk/emo band come along very soon and become the one everyone remembers (thereby lending the Get-Up Kids some sort of eventual godfather status).

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Michael Jackson. Whether you like it or not. Madonna. Whether you like it or not. Umm.... that's about it really.

― maria b (maria b), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 05:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Those two are both already there!

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 05:58 (twenty-two years ago)

See the weird thing is that for pop acts a lot of that canonization has to do with what stays in rotation once the period winds up on oldies or retro radio. The two most recent additions to that format are eighties-retro and classic rock formats picking up stuff through the 90s; the latter reinforces some clear canonical stuff (Pearl Jam, U2) and some more skin-of-teeth ones (Stone Temple Pilots), but the former is so singles-oriented that it's not exactly canonizing any particular artists (though Duran Duran seem like a good bet). When the music of 1999-2003 is on replay radio formats, what'll stay in an "artist" kind of way? I am so completely not sure.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Weezer I would call simply unremarkable except they and the thousand or so indie bands who've been inspired by them have sold many hundred thousand really unremarkable records. Think of all the plastic trees they had to cut down to make the packaging! At least they buy their clothes secondhand.

I have this feeling that nobody is going to remember Wilco a few years down the line. I also think Korn, System of a Down, and Linkin Park will still be on the radio, not that I object to any of these.

In a completely unrelated remark, I am watching ABC late night news in the background, and this writer from Maxim is on to talk about lame superheroes, and I wonder if he is totally coked up, or had his eyeballs exchanged w/those of Large Marge..

― daria g (daria g), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

flaming lips will be the led zeppelin of the future

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

>Who's the Big Star of the early 21st century?
>Posies

Actually, they were the Big Star of the mid-90s for real. I vote for Redd Kross.

But I think the children of tomorrow will still be listening to The Canon (i.e. Elvis>Beatles>Dylan>Stones>Hendrix>Zeppelin>Bowie>Clash) versus anything influenced by them on the charts today, same way classical music has been stuck in Brahms>Bach>Beethoven>Mozart for centuries.

― Chris Clark (Chris Clark), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 06:50 (twenty-two years ago)

for centuries!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably Bjork

― Sami (Sami), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I was having this very conversation last night. We came up with PJ Harvey, Tricky, Aphex Twin, and some others who dissapeared into an alcoholic fog.

― neil simpson, Wednesday, 25 June 2003 08:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I was having this very conversation last night. We came up with PJ Harvey, Tricky, Aphex Twin, and some others who have disappeared into an alcoholic fog.

― neil simpson, Wednesday, 25 June 2003 08:35 (twenty-two years ago)

oops, sorry. That extra have makes my point about a billion times more valid tho.

― neil simpson, Wednesday, 25 June 2003 08:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Bizarre that no-one's mentioned Madonna - so Madonna, of course. Come on, people!

― russ t, Wednesday, 25 June 2003 08:39 (twenty-two years ago)

the question is whether the cult music of today will become the canon of tomorrow...

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Teenagers in 2048 be quoting the Wu...

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)

spiritualized will be the grateful dead for future generations...

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 08:46 (twenty-two years ago)

You hurt me. In my heart.

― kate (kate), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 08:59 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry, i just couldnt resist seeing if it would get a reaction out of you...you should really open up to the dead though :)

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 09:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I've tried, Bob. I've tried. I've given them more than a fair chance. The music really doesn't move me. I'd be more likely to open up and understand Aphex Twin than I would be able to open up and "get" the Dead.

― kate (kate), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, no, that wasn't really the question at all - as I read it (and re-read it), the question was asking who we think out of the current crop of artists will be revered 10, 20, 30, 40 years from now.

And for not one of the people on this thread to have mentioned Madonna - wjatever you may think of her - is ridiculous.

From today's current batch, 10 years from now the likes of Radiohead, U2, Coldplay, Bjork, Madonna, Massive Attack... will all still be remembered, fondly or otherwise.

20 years from now? Madonna, U2, Radiohead.

― russ t, Wednesday, 25 June 2003 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

(russ t! -- why are you alluding to maria b, on this very thread, as "no-one" and "not one"??)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Not like she buried it in some huge post or anything! Anyway, I'm not sure saying Madonna and U2 really accomplishes much, cause they've already done it: their work from the 80s is perfectly well-known and well-liked by kids who weren't old enough to take much notice of it then. (You might as well be daring and say Bob Dylan, an "artist of our time" who I will go out on a limb and say will etc. etc....)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

bob dylan will always be loved well into the concievable future. the current generation will always be able to pick up on it, especially if he keeps on churning out good stuff like "love and theft".

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I think people will remeber Wilco, altough a Son Volt/Jay-solo revival may also come up too.

Others the children of the future will groove to: Pavement, Nirvana (altough not so much the Foo Fighters), and Fugazi.

― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Artists whom i'm not so sure about:Eminem, the Strokes (really, the whole NYC scene right now), All those new Swedes (Hives, Sahara Hotnights etc.) and Coldplay.

― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Who will be the great artists of our times for people who aren't born yet.
It'll either be:
1) Someone currently being genetically engineered in a secret lab beneath Sony World Headquarters.
2) A computer generated "Idoru"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabisco - ever, ever so sorry for being so completely and utterly stupid missing that one line post there. Silly me, eh? Tut tut.

Maria B - sorry for missing your post.

Did someone mention Bob Dylan? Arghhh... outta here already.

― russ t, Wednesday, 25 June 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

At my local record store, there's a cartoon taped to the wall.
It shows two Limp Bisquick fans looking at a cover of a Rolling Stone magazine with Bob Dylan on the cover. The Caption reads:
"Hey....when did Jakob Dylan's dad start makin' records?"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Eminem - yes, 50 cent - no
Ms Dynamite - yes, Craig David - no
Early Aphex -yes, Late Aphex - no
Ludacris - yes, Trina - no
Missy - yes, Timbaland - no
Jay Z - maybe, Ja Rule - definitely, Nas - probably not

― Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't be so touchy, Russ -- it was just funny that you expressed such amazement (twice!) when there were a couple posts discussing it already. "Funny" in the funny way.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel pretty confident that Nirvana, Radiohead, Weezer, Aphex Twin and Coldplay all won't last the way Dylan and Pink Floyd have. It's hard to think of very many bands who even approach their careers the way people used to. If I had to bet on somebody, it would probably be Tori Amos.

― ara, Wednesday, 25 June 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Fugazi.

― christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry Nabisco - it's the heat. Problem is that for me, the mere mention of Bob Dylan, White Stripes or Cheap Trick on ILM gives me temporary blindness and loss of memory. Lucky me, eh?

Jacob - Ms Dynamite? Forgotten her already.

― russ t, Wednesday, 25 June 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd have said Fugazi, too, before they flaked out for a couple albums. Listening to the reissued Minor Threat demo tape is renewing my enthusiasms, though.

Oh, Moby. How could we have forgotten Moby? Give it twenty years and even I might break down and buy a Moby record or two.

― ara, Wednesday, 25 June 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, that reminds me: Chemical Brothers. Mark my words.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Since when did anyone care about Jakob Dylan?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all about Jesse now.

― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Modern-rock bands who will get canonized (critically and airplay-wise): Deftones, System of a Down, Linkin Park, Cold (their new album is really great), Jimmy Eat World (Bleed American went three solid singles deep -- a sure sign of pop canonization)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Pretty sure the hipsters will still like Sonic Youth
and Tortoise.

you are crazy if you think kids won't be getting into Nirvana twenty years from now ! Beck may or may not revered as a Bowie; Snoop Dogg is assured

― Rem Lezar, Thursday, 26 June 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

umm...as long as the next album is even half as good...I think....maybe...GOOD CHARLOTTE! GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' CHARLOTTE! GOOD CHARLOTTE WILL BE KINGS AND I AM THE PROPHET! BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!! IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, JUST YOU SEE! HEEE HEE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! THREE SINGLES DEEP, STILL NUMBER ONE ON TRL!!!! THE CHILDREN HAVE SPOKEN!!! AND THEY'RE ONLY 23, SO MUCH ROCKIN' LEFT TO DO!!!! HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! JUST YOU FUCKING WAIT!!! GOOD CHARLOTTE!!!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 26 June 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Daft Punk but only if they tour more

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 June 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

shit dude, all these people keep mentioning madonna like they can't figure out how to use the goddamned 'find' function - and thus illustrating why she may be remembered in 2044 - but I doubt anybody will give much of a shit about her music. By 2028 she'll be reduced to a cultural anecdote.

nabisco: in 2028 radio will be a distant memory. People will think of FM the way we think of Morse today.

Bands that will be remembered and collected by tomorrow's canonical ILM'r, however (I refuse to list anybody no longer recording/alive/together)

1. Radiohead
2. Eminem
3. Busta Rhymes
4. Method Man
5. The Flaming Lips
6. Beastie Boys
7. Boredoms
8. Aphex Twin
9. The Streets
10. Depeche Mode

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 26 June 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

frightening.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 26 June 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

haha "canonical ILMer" list will consist entirely of artists that don't exist in their present state (band/performing wise) right now!

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The Hives = Sam the Sham & the Pharoahs?

― Andrew Frye (paul cox), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Pfft, Millar: may not be "radio," but I guarantee you that in 2028 there'll be something out there selecting and playing music for people.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I understand that, but right now where I only have maybe 20 channels to choose from that are audible at any one time in a language I understand. By 2010 they'll have widespread digital radio allowing for hundreds of channels, with computers and automation allowing for each of them to play different music with no repeats during a 24 hour period or longer - and this is the free stuff, with advertising. Your concept of how people will absorb and discover music in the future seems a little limited.

I also think that TV and film will continue to increase their influence in exposing people to music - I already know lots of guys who never listen to the radio and never buy CDs but spend all day downloading either hits they remember from earlier days or songs they've caught on MTV or in a movie.

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

the kids of the future are gonna suck!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

kids always suck, did you think they were going to be awesome?

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

kids were great in the early eighties!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

not to the kids of the late sixties they weren't!

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Who's the Big Star of the early 21st century?

The Russian Futurists

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

in the future most kids will have access to something that combines ILM, Soulseek, radio and MTV (when it was good) into a divine fully customisable resource for experiencing music. lucky unborn bastards.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

you mean the iTunes music store?

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

but with 50 times the bandwidth.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

all the important bands are playing the nedfest.

― keith (keithmcl), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

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