Lightning Bolt and Black Dice

no i just listen to what you hate. i think it is the right thing to do.

1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook. 3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.

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-- The Jargon File

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-- The Rasp Of The Jargon

Why don't you? If you're gonna senselessly bash people (not even the bands involved so much as their audience), then at least give us some reasons why. I like them because I think Black Dice's music was amazingly violent, noisy hardcore that's about as artistically valid as any other hardcore. As for their more recent stuff, it's ambient that doesn't lull me to sleep.

Lightning Bolt are the best live band on the planet right now, they're incredibly precise/inventive musicians, and they can write some great grooves and melodies; if you've only heard the first Lightning Bolt album, your impression of them is sorely out of date. That album I could see a person easily dismissing as boring.

as far as I'm concerned I only heard black dice live and it wasn't life changing and i'm not buying a rec from them. lighting bolt: i enjoyed 30 secs of a track of theirs i heard and i prob will buy something.

Doesn't every band think this about themselves?

Bias rules; music criticism without bias is boring as shit.

I've been doing this thing lately where I'm only really interested in hearing things that are gleaming, shiny, and fucking harsh. Mostly I've been listening to like 50 Cent, Baltimore club music, Black Eyes, Gold Chains, Justin Timberlake, and Clipse. I think Lightning Bolt fits in really well with that. And I'd rather hear them at this particular moment than just about any other rock band. Is that clear enough?

Y'know, I heard Black Dice is actually just George Clinton in combat fatigues.

he guy who paints a canvas all white and sells it for a million bucks

Fuck you! Robert Ryman is AMAZING!

1) If you've ever seen Lightning Bolt Rush live and you still question their following, there is nothing that will ever move you.

the sonic equivalent of the guy who paints a canvas all white and sells it for a million bucks

You had better not be talking about Robert Ryman!!

Anyone who does not think Skeleton is incredibly beautiful, we can be friends sure, but I just don't get you.

the sonic equivalent of the guy who paints a canvas all white and sells it for a million bucks

You had better not be talking about Robert Ryman!!

Ha! That was my first reaction too.

He's definitely top five painter of all time for me!

Black Dice kick ass too!

Yay!

Oh my. I've done this before.

Disregard.

These bands don't really have that much in common.

maybe not in sound but in media-perception circa whenever this thread was started yeah they do

A few years ago a friend from college made me a great tape with both Lightning Bolt's Ride the Skies and Black Dice's untitled hardcore record on it, among a few others by similar bands. I still totally dig those, but their subsequent stuff made me go a bit 'ehh'.

To me, anything Lightning Bolt has done since Ride the Skies comes off as too monotonous. And I can identify with criticism of their live shows -- that their 'screw the stage let's play on the floor' schtick crosses the line into indie snobbery (if you're not at the front row you can't see a fucking thing -- lame). Their DVD thing is great fun, though.

I mostly lost interest in Black Dice, too, when they abandoned hardcore. Although I love 'Endless Happiness' from their first DFA album. But they were kinda shite when I saw them live; I expected to be moved, but wasn't even nudged.

I liked the Mindflayer stuff much more than Lightning Bolt. Black Dice was great when I saw them live a few months ago. For some reason I always thought they were the pretentious "Artists" to Wolf Eyes AC/DC lovin' party time noise makers, but no they were actually a lot of fun.

I kindof think of it so: Wolf Eyes=Rock Black Dice=Pop, comparatively.

Mebbe it's just cos I love Black Dice and I've never really gotten into Wolf Eyes.

Have you seen Wolf Eyes live? They are the most fun ever.

Seen none of them live. Only came close to getting to see Lightning Bolt once.

I would like a lot to see Black Dice live. That Live Loop on Creature Comforts is so kickass.

Black Dice were superb live. Lovely super great stuff. Gone off 'em a bit though. The last record wasn't quite up to 'Broken Ear..' standards for me.

Black Dice>Lightning Bolt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all other music

sorry, I'm listening to hypermagic mountain

i actually agree with that.

I know, right?

seriously, its too late to change the name now, but can we just stop doing that please?

that their 'screw the stage let's play on the floor' schtick crosses the line into indie snobbery

a lot of bands in providence do this, and I don't think it's snobbery at all. maybe it seems that way cuz lightning bolt are playing much bigger places now and it's having the opposite of its intended effect, but playing on the floor eliminates the stage as an artificial barrier between the band and the audience. playing on the floor puts the musicians on your level, makes the show seem like a house party. last time I saw the white mice they not only were on the floor, the drummer got up and pulled the front rows right into the middle of the band. PVD=LOVE

I don't like all his stuff, but the way Dan Deacon gets in a crowd is MAGICAL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-G3BLU5UW8.

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CAPTAIN CAVEMAN!!!

I should've clarified - I was posting re: bands and artists that don't play on a stage and get on the floor

magical.

i meant, "magical"

i love love love black dice but can't stand lightning bolt at all. is this unusual? anyone else with me on this?

they're pretty dissimilar bands, i wouldn't get yourself worked up over it.

They are similar to the point that they are both brilliant, from here their similarities diverge somewhat

seriously, its too late to change the name now, but can we just stop doing that please?

-- I know, right?