In Praise of Kate St. Clair

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OK, so it's a bit of a red herring, because there already was (and is) a thread about the Medicine record somewhere, and yes I know how to use the search function, but this record ("The Mechanical Forces of Love") deserves two threads, or ten...it stomps all over the Manitoba record, which I like, without half-trying. Fuck me, this is a great record...waaay better than previous Medicine records, delicious as pure bubblegum and nutritious like all the things Manitoba get compared to. Yum. And I have Kate's enthusiasm to thank for it.

Yay. Yay Kate! Yay Kate again!! Now go get this record...

M Specktor (M Specktor), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 21:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

waaay better than previous Medicine records

Back this up more fully, please. I'd like to believe you because I do like Brad Laner, but my hatred for Medicine is boundless, so if he actually made an honest to goodness GOOD Medicine record...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll back it up as best I can...I'm no Medicine *hater,* though, it's just that previous records have seemed to me underwhelming, and short on memorable tunes. This one's extremely poppy (I kept thinking, stupidly, of things like Kevin Shields-producing-Fleetwood Mac, the sort of dopey non-descriptive descriptive that should make everyone glad I'm not a music critic.) It doesn't sound--for once--like he's drenching everything in fuzz to make up for the shortcomings of the songs. And there's creamy vocals all over the damn thing. It really does sound like the Manitoba record...only much, much better.

M Specktor (M Specktor), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 21:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kevin Shields-producing-Fleetwood Mac

excuse me while i change my underpants

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 23:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

kate indeed rules the waves

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 00:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

BRAIN WAVES

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 00:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

saying something is like the manitoba record is not a recommendation is it?

keith (keithmcl), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

enh. I heard the Medicine record last night. Bit of a disappointment, compared from what all of you were building it up to...

Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 02:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, wow. Erm, thanks, Specktor, I'm glad that someone shares my love!

I'm sorry if I'm building it up. I think perhaps the reason that I was able to accept it so quickly is that there was no build-up or hype for me. An old friend told me Medicine were doing a new album a few months ago, and I didn't believe her. So the fact that they actually produced a record at all was a happy occasion, let alone that it was such a good one!

Beth - and I love Beth's voice, don't get me wrong - was an early 90's indie pop girl singer. Which was good and fine and a beautiful thing. But the vocals on this album sound more ... I hate to use the word ... SOULFUL. (Ack! Ack! Bad visions of Kevin Rowland on TOTP2 last night! Beggone!) It's got that close-harmony girlgroup vibe going on. I hate to say it but it's like Brad has finally given way to his Prince fetish (I hate Prince, but Prince influences in other music are a Good Thing.) or something. The vocals are POP.

People don't keep talking about Manitoba to say that it's "like" Manitoba, but rather to say that "this record accomplishes what Manitoba set out to do and failed." In that it is a merger of psychedelic guitar rock and glitchy IDM - but Medicine add smooth, sexy, sleak Missy/Destiny/Sugababe-iness to the mix. You know, that close harmony singing that Radiohead don't do. ;-)

This is turning into the worst sort of hyperbole. So I'll stop. But I'm glad that someone else liked the record. I always used to say that there were two answers to the question: "Do you like Medicine?" One is "I've never heard of them" and the other is "Oooohh, yesssssss" (with a sort of hipsway and trippy gleam to the eye.)

Anyway... This thread should be in praise of Medicine, not me.

(Besides that fact, I wish *I* had made this record. I kinda wanna burn all EBA tracks and start again when I hear music like this. Except this is the direction in which we are starting to head anyway.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

It arrived this morning. Fucking shocking cover art, almost as bad as the Mars Volta record. Will listen this evening.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

HSA was truly disturbed by the cover art. He looked at Shannon Lee and said "my god, she's a scary woman!" And Brad is very very fat. Yes.

But it's GIANT PUT-TOGETHER MOLECULE MODELS!!! How cool is that?

HSA knows the guy who invented them. He's very cross and trying to sue Damien Hirst for nicking them, apparently. But then again, I lose track of who's suing who in the art world lately.

GIANT MOLECULE MODEL KITS!!! THAT IS COOOOOOOOL!!!

(I'd be interested to know what you think of it, Nick.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm gonna review it long-form for Stylus at some point and maybe put together summat to send CTCL about it too, so my opinions will be everywhere before long.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sigh. I shouldn't listen to this record so much. It gives me the horn. And HSA has been at the studio the past two nights running. I've lost my boyfriend to Reason! Wah!

(Though he came home with two new Disinformation albums last night. OK, one of them wasn't new, but he got really upset when I called it a "Greatest Hitz".)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

There is not enough praising going on. Show me love.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

We love kate

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Everyone Loves Kate.

Pete Kember, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Much better. Thank you.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I especially love Kate.

Jason Pierce (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

(though don't let HSA see that Pete Kember thing or he'll get jealous.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

But *I* Love her more than you Jason!!

Pete Kember, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

MAKE SURE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT KATE, JASON!!! GRRRRRR!!!

(Cue memories of Sonic bitching in NME article about "Jason kept disappearing down to London to see his mate. Turns out Jason was SHAGGING MATE'S BIRD AND YOKO ONO, O NO, GRRRRRR I HATE HER!!!" etc. etc, because he was so heartbroken at Jason's defection.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

If that were true you'd have made a decent record in the last 8 years, fucker.

Jason Pierce (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jason , I challenge thee to a duel at dawn for the undisputed love of KATE!!!

Pete Kember, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love her mostest.

HSA (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oooh! You BITCH!!!

(OK, even I couldn't get through more than 5 minutes of Data Rape, but still.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think we both just lost, Pete.

Jason Pierce (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I usually hate ppl who don't like jazz.

So it isn't a surprise that i don't love kate.

but I do not hate kate, either.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I am really glad for Show All Details and certain posters not logging out, because I saw HSA there and got really really worried. I'd face a bollocking when I got home.)

(Or a teabagging as the case may be.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Julio's own peculiar brand of magnanimity brings proceedings to a head.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nick has more voices than a Welsh village.

Viliouspoppadomillios. (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh no, someone is going to bring up Don't Hate Kate in another moment... (Why am I seemingly the only person that ever gets internet side-projects named after her?)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Question is, who's Pete Kember?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

(That BITCH!!! outburst was directed at Jason Spacehall, not HSA, by the way)

Who is Pete Kember? It's too early for Noodles to be up yet, isn't it?

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I know about Spacemen 3 & Spectrum, etcetera etcetera before anyone does anything 'funny'.)

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was particularly proud of the "good record" remark, actually.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can see why people don't like Jazz, but Prince hate puzzles me a bit, not that I care. Like what you like, but do you pronounce the "Saint" in yr surname? I'm guessing it's a "Sinjin"/Sinclair deal, sadly.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

How fucking bored are we.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Haha nice pre-emptive strike re: "face-bollocking --> teabaggin", Kate!)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

My goodness. jason pierce & Pete Kember having a duel at dawn over our kate. What next?
Avril Lavigne declaring her love for our Ned?

Henry Kissinger, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Please refer to me only by my first name; I'm looking to establish it as a singular nom-de-plume a la Madonna and Gazza.

Oh, and I love Ned Raget.

Avril (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Robert Smith I challenge you to water pistols at noon over the love of Alex In NYC!!!!!

Jaz Coleman, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ugh, it's the whole "Look at me, I am a funky purple sex dwarf, I'm so seeexxxxxyyyy baybeeee" while singing in that attrocious affected falsetto, UGH! thing that really bugs me about Prince. I don't know why I hate Prince so much. Because I didn't mind him when I was 12. It was around the time of Sign O The Times when everyone was trying to shove him down my throat and convince me that he was the reincarnation of the Beatles that he started to really bug me when, really, I quite liked Raspberry Beret and things. Oh, and Purple Rain. That film was just stupid.

And it's pronounced Kate Saint Claire. None of this Sinclair nonsense for me. It rhymes and alliterates and scans better if you pronounce the Saint.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

We all carry a subconscious Dan Perry within us at this point!

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

HSA Wins Out!

Avril is Ned your 'SK8R BOI'?

Pete Kember, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm confused about kate's feelings for me because I love her. Certainly more than fucking Pete Kember does. Tuneless asshole.

Prince (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, he's my shoegazerboi.

Avril (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tonight I shall tell HSA that Jason and Pete fought over me, and that I chose him after all. He should be so chuffed. :-)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Avril I challenge you to write a song about Ned Ragget.

Xtina, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hi, I'm Amy Studt.

Hi, I'm Amy Studt (mrswygart), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love Dan Perry! Yes ah do!

Britney Spears (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I challenge both Avril and Xtina to spell my name correctly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I challenge both Avril and Xtina to spell my name correctly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

You mean you're not French? I thought it was pronoucned rayjay.

Avril (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is this thread entitled In Praise of Ned Raggett? I don't think so. Go get yer own thread!

(And Jason and Pete may recommence fighting over me any time now, please!)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

But HSA owns your heart. We can't compete.
I'd fight jason but hes a big girl who pulls my hair.

Pete Kember, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, but kate likes my new record and isn't just going to buy it out of misplaced loyalty and waning adolescent desire you tuneless fuck.

Jason Pierce (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oi, Pierce! Below the belt!!!

Besides, I still have faith that Sonic still has the Great Lost Dronepop album some day (and the working with Randall Fuxa is promising).

And besides, Sonic Boom has played gigs with HSA (and there was some discussion of them making an album together) so he gets points that way. So there!

(But you can still try and woo me if you like!)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

At least Sonic and Jason love me. No one at work does. :-(

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

We all love you at work , Kate. We just dont chat much so we dont disturb you talking to your friend on....i mean work.

Kates Work, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't want the bastards talking to me when I'm posting on the i... I mean, Working. I just don't want my boss to come over and say "Is there a problem? You're not meeting your quota this morning" when MY THREE COLLEAGUES' QUOTAS PUT TOGETHER ARE NOT AS HIGH AS MY QUOTA!!! GRRRRR!!!

I need a new job. Why can't I just muck about with Reason all day long, I mean Be A Sound Artist?

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh no, someone is going to bring up Don't Hate Kate in another moment...

And who would that someone be? Don't look at me, Im not going to do it if your not going to post pictures of Plungers. And I didn't name the band.

Who is Pete Kember? It's too early for Noodles to be up yet, isn't it?

Im up at 9, but you should know I have a rule, no writing emails or posting till Im done my coffee.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I guess maybe it was the REAL Sonic Boom after all. Who was that masked wubwubwub?

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

This thread has taken the correct set of turns.

I hate trying to describe a record like this (see Kingfish's "all you were building it up to," above,) more than any other kind perhaps, because the points-of-reference both musical (MBV, Beach Boys, I hear Prince all over this thing too) and adjectival ("blissful," "transcendental," "bubblegum") are so freakin' fraught. It's a fine record...a half-dozen spins have only confirmed for me what I first thought. And Kate's exactly right: it's a POP record, which the other Medicine things I've heard were not.

I'll be curious to know what Nick Southall (whose boosting of the Manitoba record convinced me of that) makes of it...

(And yeah, Kate, this thread *is* in praise of Medicine really, but I'll take any excuse to bring Kember and Pierce into the mix around here as well...see, it worked.)

M Specktor (M Specktor), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

You start a thread with my name in it, it will thread mutate into Spacemen 3. It just happens that way, I don't know why. Sort of the same way that if you say "Alex In NYC" there will always be Killing Joke in there. Are there any other posters whose names are so totally and completely linked with JUST ONE BAND?

I'd say Ned/MBV but he's got that Cure wild card in there.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've managed to escape the shadow of my Embrace daze.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, now you're "That Manitoba Guy" so there you go. ;-)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hurrah again for kate!

I don't mind listening to prince, but I really don't like watching him writhe around on the floor in all his skinny ickiness.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was hoping I might be the Spirit Of Eden kid.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

So from the first 8 tracks I like it, quite a lot. But not as much as Manitoba. Summat about directions, and me thinking of Manitoba's intentions as different. Which is probably just me. More in a few days.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 21:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just bought this even though the cover art was a thing that made me go "ugh." If the first 30 seconds of the first song don't make you rip the cd out of the player and chuck it into the road, then you might be in for a treat, because it sounded pretty good in the car; like the sort of album His Name is Alive should have made after Fort Lake.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 21:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

You start a thread with my name in it, it will thread mutate into Spacemen 3. It just happens that way, I don't know why. Sort of the same way that if you say "Alex In NYC" there will always be Killing Joke in there. Are there any other posters whose names are so totally and completely linked with JUST ONE BAND?
I'd say Ned/MBV but he's got that Cure wild card in there.

then there's my obsession:

http://catalog.com/mrm/zappa/images/young.jpg

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 17 July 2003 06:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hated the first song the first time I played the album, but then the rest of the album sucked me in. Which is funny because now the first song is the one that I get stuck in my head. I wish HNIA *had* made an album like this instead of their fauxsoul bollocks. But 4AD got all into that singersongwritery vibe. ::shudders::

The first time I ever saw Medicine they were supporting HNIA. Or was it the other way around? Can't recall. My sister and I got trapped backstage and Ed Ruscha Jr. guarded the toilet for us. That was funny. Heh.

kate (kate), Thursday, 17 July 2003 07:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

It seems to me to be coming from the opposite direction from Manitoba, like this is a shoegaze-pop record that accidentally stumbled across some electronic gubbins, whereas Manitoba is an electronica record that actually stumbled across some shoegaze-pop. I'm off work today and tomorrow, so expect more later.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 17 July 2003 07:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, and that's exactly why I liked it. So much electronic music is LOOK!!! WE HAVE ALL THIS NEAT GEAR!!! WE ARE SOOOO ELECTRONIC!!! FEEL OUR COMPUTATIONAL POWER!!! RRROOOWWWWRRRR!!! Except, it's more like "blip blip" instead of rowr.

Medicine are, fundamentally, a PSYCHEDELIC BAND who found yet more neat stuff (including computers) with which they could make PSYCHEDELIC SOUNDS TO FUCK WITH YER HEAD!!! Which is the very point of a psychedelic record. The Glitch isn't treated as a gimmick as - OH WOW-WOW-W-W0W0W-W-WOW we have a Glitch. It's just another thing thrown into the mix to make you think your head is melting.

Which makes me wonder how fast this record will date. (Will Glitches sound as dated in 5, 10 years as backwards reverb and phasing and other 60s psych tricks sound now?)

Anyway. Listen to the record some more. It's both an instant high *and* a grower.

kate (kate), Thursday, 17 July 2003 07:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Oh, and the trick to getting into As You Do is to LISTEN ON HEADPHONES. Stereo tremolo. It works better-better-better-better-better!)

kate (kate), Thursday, 17 July 2003 08:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

anything you want I want as well
and everybody else can go to hell
cause they don't feel the way I do
everyone should feel the way I do

kate (kate), Thursday, 17 July 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...

http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/MEDIA/images/a-m/Gun%20salute.jpg

gershy, Friday, 9 November 2007 07:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Seems like yesterday we used to rock the show
I laced the track, you locked the flow
So far from hangin on the block for dough
Kate St Clair, they got to know that
Life ain't always what it seem to be (uh-uh)
Words can't express what you mean to me
Even though you're gone, we still a team
Through your family, I'll fulfill your dream (that's right)
In the future, can't wait to see
If you'll open up the gates for me
Reminisce some time, the night they took my friend (uh-huh)
Try to black it out, but it plays again
When it's real, feelings hard to conceal
Can't imagine all the pain I feel
Give anything to hear half your breath (half your breath)
I know you still living your life, after death

Dom Passantino, Friday, 9 November 2007 09:20 (sixteen years ago) link

damn ned

chaki, Friday, 9 November 2007 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Brad knows I've felt that way for years! And the thing is I love everything else he's done, pretty much. (New solo album's great.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 November 2007 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link


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