Steve Albini : What Are The Best/Worst Albums He's Engineered?

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Apart from his own albums.
I know some hate his work on albums due to that drum sound he gets but I really like his work on the Low albums he did.
What's your fave albums he's done(or worst)?

Bert R, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

best: that bush record
worst: everything else

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

low's secret name is the best. i can't really remember what else he did, but i reckon "surfer rosa" deserves a mention. he was involved with an album by horrible irish rock band the frames ("For the Birds" it was called) - so i'm guessing that could be the worst.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Best: anything involving Cheap Trick.

Worst: did he work with Garbage?

Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a record by a band called Darling Little Jackhammer that he recorded. It's okay sub-Minutemen jazzy indie rock - the material is okay, but the sound quality is the worst I've ever heard him be involved with.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Will Oldham and Rian Murphy (Drag City honcho) did a 12-inch ep together that was very lush, orchestral stuff. Albini recorded and it sounds lovely. Also, anything he's done with Silkworm is tops.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Best: "Camile's Not Afraid of the Barn" by Cordelia's Dad and "Bombs Below" by the Living Things. (And, uh, maybe a few Big Black songs.)

Worst: Any records where he completely hides the vocals underneath a "really good guitar sound"

chuck, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

his recording of nina nastasia sounds really good. I don't like his pixies work for some reason, it sounds too flat. But I don't understand the line of thought that his production sounds the same; I would never be able to tell if he engineered something by listening to it the way I would Jon Brion or Mitchell Froom/Tchad Blake. What exactly is it that people think is so obtrusive about his recording techniques?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

What about the GS!YBE album? Always liked his production on Surfer Rosa.

Rambo, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

the initial mix he did for Crow's "my kind of pain" was not great. i also don't like the mix on Scrawl's "velvet hammer".

his engineering on Whitehouse records is excellent.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, come to think of it, for Albini's most annoying production job ever I'd pick PJ Harvey's *Rid of Me*, which GETS LOUD and QUiet AT ALL these RANDOM points that have NOthing WHATSOfuckingever TO do WITH THE EMOtion EXPRESSED IN the MUsic. It really, really sucks.

chuck, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

He did a really good job on Labradford's "Fixed :: Content"

King Kobra (King Kobra), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Urge Overkill's The Supersonic Storybook - best. He turned boys into men. A great clear sound and nice little sonic touches, especially on "Emmaline".

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Second the UOK "Supersonic Storybook" mention.

Also, the Breeders' "Pod" was purty amazing at the time.

I'd rather not delve into his awful mix jobs; IMO his approach only works with a select few bands, so his what-you-hear-is-what-you-get approach usually doesn't work to these ears.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

i've said before i think he gets excellent sounds on tape but sometimes doesn't seem to know what to do with them after that

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

best SA records = recorded by SA and mixed by someone else?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you think Steve does a better job with bands he likes (i.e. Jesus Lizard, The Ex)?

I love that he made Dirty Three's Ocean Songs sound so dry and dusty. And if you compare McLusky's My Sadness And Pain Is More Painful And Sad Than Yours with the Albini-recorded McLusky Do Dallas, it's obvious that Albini made that band. As for subpar recordings, I thought that he could have done a lot better with Jawbreaker's 24 Hour Revenger Therapy.

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

What about In Utero? That's pretty nice production-wise.

Personally, I think that he did a huge discredit to GSY!BE by removing the tape-experiments/edits/mixing and samples. Pursuing an 'authentic' record of the actual tracks that the band creates (the raw materials) is a creative injustice.

This seconds Jim's comments - getting the material down on tape, then fucking up the post-production, or simply removing it. Like, leading the band out into the public eye, naked.

Michael Dieter, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Best: "Camile's Not Afraid of the Barn" by Cordelia's Dad

I've heard another album he's done with them, really spiff stuff.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Worst thing he's ever engineered: the feud between himself and Bill Wyman in the Chicago Reader, 1993

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 05:51 (twenty-two years ago)

matos!! albini lov0rz need links!! YaRghhh *drowns in own bile*

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

haven't we covered this already?

hstencil, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe, but it's always a good subject to write about...

Best: Surfer Rosa

My least favourite (maybe because it's a little far from Albini-type aggressive indie rock bands): The Auteurs - After Murder Park

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 07:59 (twenty-two years ago)

but isnt the whole aesthetic that albini pushes is that of 'tape-op' rather than 'producer' i.e. there is no post production. i'm sure i've read interviews in the past where he stated his role was simply microphone placement and record button. so if you are, say, a canadian postrock group whose initials are GSYBE then you know what you are getting when you hire him (and THEY are hiring HIM, THEY get to choose if there are samples/edits etc)

joni, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Another vote for fixed::context and Nina Nastasia's ravishing The Blackened Air as the best.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 09:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, come to think of it, for Albini's most annoying production job ever I'd pick PJ Harvey's *Rid of Me*, which GETS LOUD and QUiet AT ALL these RANDOM points that have NOthing WHATSOfuckingever TO do WITH THE EMOtion EXPRESSED IN the MUsic. It really, really sucks.

-- chuck (cedd...), July 23rd, 2003.

I strongly disagree, because his seemingly-capricious tampering with the volume heightens the wavering emotional tension in these songs, whether or not this was his intention to do so. Which makes them more easily relatable to a seriously disturbed listener's emotional mood swings; the fluctuating volume level nicely coheres to the undulating passive-aggression, as it is expressed in alternately brisk whispers and fierce ululations, with the expected catharsis either never being achieved, or belatedly arriving in ramshackle form at the end of each song. This is just the method in which highly repressed emotions are experienced when they resurface for the first time in one who's been emotionally abused: in fits, spurts, in a scattered and "random" manner, with the memory unsuccessfully trying to block out or lower the scale of these sharp, serrated feelings that have been buried alive for so long. The volume should be left on high for every one of these neglected feelings to be safely and wholly released, as they've been struggling to get out so badly..

The versions of these songs on Rid of Me remain superior to the ones on 4-Track Demos for precisely this reason: the Albini production gives them more texture, and subsequently more depth, by alternating the volume and pinpointing the ambiguity that such sonic contrast embodies. My words here are in direct opposition to the thoughts that Mr. Stephen Thomas Erlewine has expressed on this album, elsewhere.

For example, take "Rub 'Til it Bleeds" --> on 4-Track Demos, it's slower, clearer, and more consistent in sound, elongating its emotional reverberations and therefore, diluting them. On Rid of Me parts of it are whispered menacingly, parts of it are shrieked, and parts are wholly inaudible, with the tension rising and falling at each chorus and a relatively longer "aaaaaaand" in the middle, before the mad attack of agonizing threats of I'LL RUB IT, UNTIL IT at the end. And I think this is the way Polly, or the listener in whom the song strikes a moment of emotional relatedness, experiences either an overwhelmingly disturbing emotion or an overwhelmingly disturbing emotion's memory (the "and you believed me" - line suggests the entire song is sparked by the memory of a horrific incident in the past): in a non-linear, unpredictable, jagged manner, with the pitch of feeling very strong in some moments, and more faded in others.

the insanity of RID OF ME - "polarizing" production and all - saved my life, as it helped me come to terms with my own insanity. so perhaps I'm biased

Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

''haven't we covered this already?''

yeah i thought this was a threda revival.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Worst: that Milemarker EP

*shudder*

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

best: Tar "Jackson"
worst: Flu Thirteen 7"

mosurock (mosurock), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Best: Tad, Salt Lick.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i've been enjoying bellini's "snowing sun" lately, even though it does sound like an aimless version of shellac on steroids with the chick from blonde redhead yelping all over it.

Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Recent faves:

Giddy Motors "Make it Pop" -- they actually sound a lot like Shellac.
A Whisper in the Noise "Through the Ides of March"
Cinerama "Disco Volante". I really like his work on Gedge projects.

Generally, I prefer his work on cinematic records to punk stuff. Yeah, I'm an Albini junkie, I'll admit it.

Dislike..."In Utero"? ;-)

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to second the Silkworm albums, especially Firewater, which is pretty much my ideal album productionwise. The drums, especially, sound fantastic. It blew my 16-year-old mind when I heard it because since it was recorded live, the guitar solos aren't overdubbed, the rhythm guitar part stops when the solos start, which sounded horribly wrong at first until I realized how completely genius it was.

NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I think most of the reason these albums are good/bad is because of the bands, but maybe that's just me.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

db otm

jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

pegboy fore EP is pretty great (and he was in the band too so what do you think of that db and jc?)

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

is this in honor of steve's birthday?

praying mantis (praying mantis), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Albini's big problem seems to be how he strives so meticulously and anal-compulsively for "rawness" that he makes stuff sound completely cold and clinical; there have always been notable exceptions, of course, but mainly he's been draining the life out of bands ever since Head of David in the mid-'80s. And, typically, I always thought the two best songs on *In Utero* were the two that he DIDN'T fuck up.

chuck, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

The whole album (In Utero) sound like it was recorded in a swimming pool in a basement at the bottom of a cave...and your listening to this through a paper cup...filled with earwax.
I hhhhaaaaaayte Albini's work on In Utero.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked what he did with the drums on "We're In This Together" by Nine Inch Nails. It kind of added a little extra humanity that was missing from most of Reznor's work.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty certain I prefer the first F-Minus album (produced by Tim Armstrong) to the new Albini-produced one, Wake Up Screaming. Not that I'm surprised by that or anything.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The drums on 'In Utero' sound amazing, the bass really sucks. Dave Grohl was a fantastic drummer, Novoseic was a medicore bassist. Is there a connection?

Drums on Surfa Rosa really rock my world too.

Don't really know much else of Albini's work, but the from what I've heard his drums and vocal recording is fantastic.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The drums on 'In Utero' sound amazing, the bass really sucks. Dave Grohl was a fantastic drummer, Novoseic was a medicore bassist. Is there a connection?

On his punk/rock recordings I feel that he typically goes for tinny rather than bassy.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Drum sound as recorded by Steve Albini will ever R0X0R!!!!

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Thursday, 24 July 2003 08:34 (twenty-two years ago)

did he produce 'goat'?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 24 July 2003 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio - yes, he did. I'm pretty sure he did the first four Jesus Lizard recs, all of which sound great and I couldn't imagine in anyone else's hands.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 24 July 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

He did a bad job with Surfer Rosa. Frank Black's voice was the band's best instrument. The vocals were burried in the mix when they should have been brought to the front. Surfer Rosa is a great album, the drums sound incredible, but it could have been even better.

Mclusky Do Dallas sounds incredible. Mclusky is a good band, but Albini's tweakings here makes them godlike.

That Chevelle album... Point 1 I think... the songwriting is weak, but the sound is sweet.

NOW... knowing Albini to be a Lightning Bolt fan, how nice would it be to hear that band done proper?

Shaun (shaun), Friday, 25 July 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Best: Silkworm "Developer"

Worst: Silkworm "Developer" (according to some)

tk, Friday, 25 July 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, and Wedding Present's "Seasmonsters" .... ace.

tk, Friday, 25 July 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Worst: Union Carbide Productions Swing

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Friday, 25 July 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd like to remind him he played bass on the first pigface album and bring up all those dud questions from back in the day "do you feel any kinship with OTHER industrial bands you have the same sound as like ministry and the revolting cocks?...." oh to see the sinking look on his face i imagine he'd get upset maybe.
mind you - "tapeworm" on that album WAS pretty damn stylish

bob snoom, Friday, 25 July 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

NOW... knowing Albini to be a Lightning Bolt fan, how nice would it be to hear that band done proper?

Yea, for real.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

After Murder Park is a favorite. As Luke Haines says in his assessment of each Auteurs record in the liner notes to Das Capital, "Sonically great, Albini on top form and me too... Full marks to everyone involved."

Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 25 July 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't much like the style of music, but the first track on Italian Platinum by Silkworm sounds soooo dense and lush.

mei (mei), Friday, 1 August 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)


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