T/S: Beatles vs. Stones

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HAs this been asked before? I searched for it and couldn't find anything.

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 23 July 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I just want to bang my head on a desk and cry. Nothing against you, Aaron -- and I think there was a thread -- but I don't want to think about either band ever again for the rest of my life.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

neither do i actually!

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 23 July 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Wouldn't this be thread #1 on a music forum?
(Not on ILM tho. We are muuuccch too hip for that, Right? ....Right!?)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Die young, live forever vs. rot slowly, be forgotten

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Stones.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Stones. I'd also I like rot slowly, be STINKING RICH AND SURROUNDED BY HOT WOMEN WHILE SCREAMING "JUMPIN' JACK FLASH!" OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

In fact, the only part of being Mick Jagger I'm not down with is the part where you hang out with Lenny Kravitz. I am TOTALLY down with starring in "Freejack" though.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

current incarnations

Mick and Keith and Charlie: cool
Paul and Ringo: L4m0rZ

really this was just a thinly veiled beef against the new search setup but anyway. Stones is correct.

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 23 July 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i like keith richards' guitar playing

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah what's up with the new search set-up? I went looking for threads on Nirvana and came up with nada.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I imagine the Stones employ any number of trendy counsellors who warn them away from all-too-embarrasing moves while what few Beatles there are left seem to dwell on their own forces. (Corporate efficiency vs DIY after all?)

― nestmanso (nestmanso), Thursday, 24 July 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Oh. Here comes the mother of all band wars :-)

It's clearly The Beatles for me btw.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah the fevered response this drew last time will no doubt be repeated

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 29 August 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Tough question! I would say Beatles, cause they stopped before being ridiculous. Sthg The Stones should have done at the same time...

And I vote Beatles cause of "Sgt Pepper" "Abbey Road" "Rubber Soul" "Revolver" (Stones, for me, only 3: Aftermath, Goats HEad Soup, Exile on main Street).

― C11 (C11), Friday, 29 August 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Bummer. I thought this was a thread about the House of Love song.

― Andrew Frye (paul cox), Friday, 29 August 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rolling Stones clearly. They utilise Rhythmn & Groove well. Beatles rely too much in melody, which in my book is inferior as it doesnt make you dance. Both great bands and Tomorrow Never Knows is the best song ever but overall the stones output is stronger.

― Jonesy, Friday, 29 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Beatles

― dleone (dleone), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The Kinks

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Both bands great examples of the sum of the parts being worth less than the whole. So Beatles - because the worth per capita is higher.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Y'all mean the Stone Roses vs. the Tape Beatles, right? I mean I'll take the Tape Beatles obviously but what a weird concept for a thread

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Beatles rely too much in melody, which in my book is inferior as it doesnt make you dance

You have completely missed the point about good music, man...

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir when you bust out with that business you gotta somehow hedge it in with a "this is my take" thing. Part of why people get pissed at you is this "melody and harmony are the most advanced realizations of music" thing instead of "me, I'm more moved by melody and harmony than by rhythm, but you're mileage may vary." People who've considered the question as long and hard as your good self have often come to the opposite conclusion, i.e., that rhythm and not melody is what makes for interesting, good music.

Also, Hawkwind owns both these bands, so the question is moot

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

J0hn, I'd recommend placing a pillow between yourself and the wall before you commence to banging. ;)

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

the Stones. not just to piss Geir off, but because it's true!

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Nothing wrong with Stones, as long as they weren't too blues or country based. Their 66-71 output was mostly great, and they have had their moments later too. This does not include the heavily overrated "Exile On Main St." though..

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, Hawkwind owns both these bands, so the question is moot

yes!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to say Stones, but now I say Beatles for 3 little albums: Revolver, Rubber Soul and Abbey Road. Funny that I realized how great and subversive this band was after I finally did semi-recently what people have been doing to their albums for decades (smoke pot). I have about 12 Rolling Stones albums and the only one that sounds interesting stoned is SMR.

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 29 August 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, if Hawkwind owns these bands, I guess Chrome buttrapes Hawkwind or something...

― Scaredy Cat, Friday, 29 August 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha - this really is the mirror image Geir. Fantastic! I disagree with John that he should always put 'this is my opinion' on everything. I mean surely one can take it as read that anything anyone ever says is their opinion? It's kind of boring to be always pointing this out.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm ... the stones' stuff that i suspect geir likes best (i.e, aftermath and the likes of that) certainly didn't totally jettison their blues/country influences. even the pop moves were "blues" of a sort(like "lady jane" -- it's a dulcimer that mr. jones is playing in that song, an instrument used in certain appalachian country songs!)

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Beatles.

― Greg, Friday, 29 August 2003 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir when you bust out with that business you gotta somehow hedge it in with a "this is my take" thing.

Hey J0hn, no offense, but ISTR that you had a much different take on this issue in a thread a while back . . . didn't you and I get into an argument with some random googler who kept on saying, "well, that's YOUR opinion" as an argument-ender?

― J (Jay), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

(but yr otm about the tape-beatles, yo!)

― J (Jay), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, yes. "That's just your opinion" is the ultimate dud non-starter as far as arguments go. But that doesn't preclude the occasional "I'm weird about this," i.e., if one has a particularly harsh aversion to something. In my own case, it's words that have been forced to bear an undue burden - Conor 0berst's tendency to pronounce a word however he sees fit to make it fit the line being my pet example. The difference in action:

"You people are nuts, Gary Numan rules" vs. "Melody is always superior to rhythm."

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 30 August 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

also, I change my mind about everything every ten minutes or so

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 30 August 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I change my buttplug about every 10 days or so.

― scaredy cat, Saturday, 30 August 2003 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm hip. Good example.

― J (Jay), Saturday, 30 August 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I relealise that a lot of even the melodic Stones stuff is influenced by R&B and country. And that doesn't necessarily represent a problem as long as the melodic qualities are present. Jayhawks, a band whose musical roots are primarily in country music, released one of my fave albums of 2000 with "Smile" (and this year's effort isn't too bad either). I even quite like a lot of the stuff that Gram Parsons did alone or in various groups from 68-74, even though it was almost pure country music.

And there are also examples of wonderfully melodic music that certainly has a lot of bluenotes in them, early Beatles and mid 70s Stevie Wonder ballads being prime examples of this.

It is when one relies too much on the limited harmonic and melodic boundaries on those two genres that you end up with boring music. In the case of Stones, this was particularly evident on their pre-1966 output, and on "Exile....".

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 30 August 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

limitation is freedom

(NB this sounds flip but actually this is one of my most dearly-held beliefs with respect to music, poetry, etc)

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Beatles rely too much in melody, which in my book is inferior as it doesnt make you dance
You have completely missed the point about good music, man...
-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), August 29th, 2003.

You have BOTH completely missed the point.

Atari Teenage Riot

It's all about the total harmonic distortion.

― mei (mei), Monday, 1 September 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I figure this thread is as good a place as any to state that I listened to "Undercover" tonight, and I can't say enough good stuff about it.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 1 September 2003 06:01 (twenty-two years ago)

limitation is freedom

This sounds like something that Josef Stalin could have come up with. :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 1 September 2003 07:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Stones = better album covers (the guy with three tennis balls in his mouth!!!)

― dave q, Monday, 1 September 2003 09:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Stones = better album covers

Apart from "Sgt. Pepper", I agree with this statement.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 1 September 2003 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

seven years pass...

i've never felt more confident saying the stones are better than the beatles than i do at this moment.

― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 19:55 (fifteen years ago)

because i am listening to "sway" on youtube.

it is destroying my notions of circular time.

― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 19:56 (fifteen years ago)

also this period "music video" for it is bonkers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4iQDfpFxW8

― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 19:57 (fifteen years ago)

uhhh

― tylerw, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 20:02 (fifteen years ago)

also, i believe this book settles the matter once and for all (spoiler on the cover?)
http://images.booksamillion.com/covers/bam/0/76/033/813/0760338132.jpg

― tylerw, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 20:09 (fifteen years ago)

i love that "sway" video!

― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)

DeRo's criterion is, "Which band inspired the Flaming Lips more?"

― Sterling-Kinney (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 21:09 (fifteen years ago)

while kot's is "which band inspired Wilco more?"

― tylerw, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 21:12 (fifteen years ago)

Sway vid is all footage from Lucifer Rising iirc

― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)

^^^yeah. that's weird. Anger must have let them use the footage in exchange for Jagger's "soundtrack" work...?

― the first Asian legislator in our Nevada State Assembly (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)

you be my charlie; i can be your george.

let's bury the hatchet like the beatles and the stones.

― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 19 October 2010 22:21 (fifteen years ago)

(xp) that's a fan vid. i don't think anyone "let" anyone use anything.

― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)

RS has an excerpt from Keef's upcoming memoir:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/photos/53622/220533

― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 22:48 (fifteen years ago)

voting rolling stones until my dick is sore

― arby's, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 23:04 (fifteen years ago)

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