This is the thread where we thank whoever is responsible for the atavistic reish program of old FMP releases!

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I bought manfred schoof's 'European echoes' yesterday and what a mighty fine blast it is. I've also got some good Brotzmann stuff: 'Nipples', 'More Nipples' (material that has never been issued before), 'Fuck De boere' with a live version of 'Machine gun' and 'For aldophe Sax'.

So what else have you got through this? what's coming up? How far are they gonna go into FMP's old back catalogue. So info and recommmend plz.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 26 July 2003 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, Julio, that would be one John Corbett!! A fine and dandy fellow who has had more than a little influence on my own appreciation of various artists through the old radio show he used to do at the college station where I worked. I think I've recommended his book, Extended Play, before - you should really check it out, it is fantastic and deals with a lot of the music we both value.

I still haven't picked up that More Nipples thing yet. The original record is a definite corker though. The trio For Adolphe Sax reish was a revelation; I had been dying to hear that one but was unwilling to pay the eBay prices for the vinyl. It was startling to finally hear the radical post-African-American conception of group improvisation Brotzmann had, at this early date.

I haven't heard all of the series, but I've heard quite a few. One that is deserving of more praise is definitely the Nachtluft cd; wonderfully rhythmic, early electro-improv gurgling from a positively telepathic trio, with Gunter Muller on percussion. Very affecting stuff, and worthwhile for placing Muller's currently wider profile in its historical context. I'd also recommed that Honsinger/Beresford Double Indemnity cd (it's reissued on the Atavistic cd with another whole record that also adds David Toop and Toshinori Kondo, but I haven't spent enough time with the latter to comment; Double Indemnity is killer, tho).

Also, Fred Anderson will always get an unequivocal recommendation from me. Milwaukee Tapes, Vol. 1, and especially the Dark Day 2cd set are superb post-bop explorations. Slightly more trad than the rest of the stuff in this series, no doubt about that; but Fred knows the lineage and vocabulary of the saxophone like the back of his hand, and his extended improvisations are always nothing less than beautifully searching palimpsests of the instrument's history. And heck, if Fred isn't quite out enough for you - with the fantastic Hamid Drake on drums, you're always granted some body-rocking propulsion. He's truly one of my top five favorite, consistently inventive drummers.

So that's a few of them off the toppa me head. I've got to go to bed though.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:37 (twenty-two years ago)

That European Echoes is so completely ace. I was fortunate enough to have an LPTJ reader buy me a subscription to the UMS so I got a whole mess of 'em: Brotzmann's Balls/i>, Human Arts Ensemble's Funky Donkey (fun for what it is, but it's basically just a long funk jam), the Fred Van Hove solo piano thing which is tremendous, White Earth Streak which wasn't really up my alley (Alabama free improv in a hippie sort of vein), Mount Everest Trio's Waves from Albert Ayler (quite good, great nods-to-trad-jazz while still being very "free"), Sun Ra and his Outer Space Arkestra's Music from Tomorrow's World (Sun Ra in a trad-jazz-as-warped-pop vein, generally unremarkable except as an historical document, though I love their version of "It Ain't Necessarily So" but then again I got me some trad-jazz leanings), Rova Saxophone Quartet's As Was (COMPLETELY AWESOME), Starship Beer's Nut Music (kinda fun free-jazz-with-rock-leanings stuff but not a must), Alexander von Schlippenbach's The Living Music which is at least as good as European Echoes and in the same spirit, run don't walk to this one, Hal Russel's Chemical Feast which is really interesting Ornette-style (and Ornette cover) melodic figures giving way to free improv in other words it's another favorite of mine, and Nachtluft's Belle-View I-IV which is proto-industrial playing with machines stuff and I love it a lot, but be on notice that it's all non-"instruments" in long dreamy pieces (though there's a long section that's sporadic bursts of machine noise that will either a) delight you or b) severely try your patience depending on what kind of mood you're in).

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:46 (twenty-two years ago)

non-closed tags nightmare, sorry about that

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hi, we're Cypress Hill, and this jam is called 'Ill Thought-Out Mind'"

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:48 (twenty-two years ago)

ok wrong thread, Jesus I better get some sleep

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The title track you have already heard but in More nipples its quite a diff version. The extra tracks are just as good if not better than the ones on nipples so get that as soon as you can.

see I have got a couple of FMP LPs from the 80s and they have all the releases listed on the back. Most of them just aren't available i would say so here's hoping they go through reish quite a few of these.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:50 (twenty-two years ago)

b-b-but J0hn Nachtluft is not "non-instruments". Whatever that means. Oh well, bed for me as well.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

that last post was for diamond.

hey john its morning here and i haven't washed my face so i am struggling to read it ;)

shit! just rememebered I've also got this globe unity CD (globe unity 67 and 70) and i've nevah played it for some reason. I will make amends.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

but there's lots of machines and whatnot all over nachtluft, aren't there? and sheet metal and so on? I'm away from my CDs so I am relying on memory however which is kind of like a dog relying on its wings.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:58 (twenty-two years ago)

nah, J0hn, I'm just teasin' - but in all seriousness, I'm pretty certain that record is built largely on drums and percussion, with some electronic tape stuff mixed in. I mean, it sounds like totally organic, totally human music dependant on the close listening of its players ... In other words, not programmed or sequenced or whatever (why I questioned yr 'non-instruments' caveat).

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 26 July 2003 08:06 (twenty-two years ago)

haha are you guys going to bed or not? ;)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 26 July 2003 08:12 (twenty-two years ago)

played that globe unity record. another wonder. all material prev unissued before too.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Picked up a few more since then: 'balls' By brotzmann/van hove/bennink and 'FMP130' (downloaded hurrah!) by the same but quite diff as here there's more 'humour' and things appear to be more composed but plenty of spontaneous fun here (you could argue that the 'humour' weakens the music as david keenan appears to be doing in this month's wire though I think its perfectly fine). Also more schillpenbach: trio 'Pakistani pomade' and quartet 'hunting the snake' (prev non issued, a recording from '75 for radio bremen and catches parker just before he went on to do full on crcular breathing). Also 'the living music' as has been mentioned prev.

But just as good is 'Tern' by the unkonown sax player larry stabbins, with moholo and keith tippett is another must here: 'Tern' was prev issued on the FMP sister label saj.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 13 September 2003 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I love it when everything mentioned in a thread is available via eMusic!! Well, almost everything.

dlp9001, Saturday, 13 September 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

seven years pass...

Not much in the way of FMP threads but I'm reviving this one to talk about the massive new FMP box set In Retrospect which just dropped. Twelve CDs of great European free improv, mostly I think reissues of LPs which have never previously been made available on CD. Still working my way through these but the book that comes with it is just overwhelming – awesome essays, photos and documentation. Leafing through it makes you realize how visual free jazz is, how much it turns on struggling with the instrument. We're lucky that there have been so many excellent photographers down the years to document these guys.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:37 (fourteen years ago)


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