Tom Cox in The Sunday Times.

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I read this with a mixture of confusion and bemusement on Sunday evening at Emma's house before we went for a meal. If Tom Cox is 27 how is he so out of touch with what's actually going on? I don't know any 27 year olds, let alone music journalists, who would admit to listening to The Steve Miller Band and have such a complete lack of understanding of current musical trends.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick is this your first encounter with the work of Mr Cox?

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Good Lord there's going to be a whole book of it.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I think so, aye. Who is he?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

He was the Guardian's pop music man before Petridish, which is why some of us old lags tend to look fondly on Mr P.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Fucking hell.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Speaking of which, why is there such a big picture of Petr1d1sh's fizzog in Friday's Review in an article about Kraftwerk? Even an old library pic of Kraftwerk would have been preferable.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Not knowing anything about what 'the kids' like was his schtick then too - every year in the round-up he would cluck noisily about pre-packaged rebellion and then say that the album of the year was by the Wondermints. I was staggered when I found out he was younger than me.

That Kraftwerk article was rotten. Simon Hattenstone on Daniel Bedingfield in today's paper is very good though I thought.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Not got the paper yet. Does he label Beddingfield the "date-rap Robbie Williams", which is what one mate of mine described him as?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Is he really only 27? I honestly thought he was 40ish.

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

No he doesn't make any real comment on Bedingfield's music, just interviews him rather well.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I linked to it on NYLPM if you're botherd.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Cool, I'll have a gander.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Simon Hattenstone can be good on pop. I remember him writing an ace (and very personal) piece about T-Rex a couple of years back.

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

as with everything by cox, i got two paragraphs in and began losing the will to live - he is truly abysmal and i never realised he's 3 years younger than me!!! what a total tool - and the bit about most music ritics never having picked up a guitar... muusic critics SHOULD NOT BE MUSICIANS YOU JERK-OFF! i am distraught and saddened at the prospect of a book by him!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"date rape Robbie Williams", dur me.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"Is he really only 27? I honestly thought he was 40ish."

Why you cheeky, bed-wetting young tyke; one brief and obviously misleading Dead Kennedys reference aside, he's quite clearly far too feeble, shallow, fickle and lacking any real sense of commitment to anything to possibly be any older than about 35!

Striking a defiant blow on behalf of the punk generation, whilst clinging grimly to his zimmerframe with his other hand....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The worst thing is that means he was about 20 when he was writing for the NME. Although he hadn't quite established his dictum that everything had to sound like the fucking Byrds at that point, I don't think

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

KILL KILL KILL. He gets PAID for that shit?!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing is, it's a really nice idea for an article/book, had someone else with taste and passion been able to do it instead of Mr Cox.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Gomez, Kings of Leon, Tom Cox - young men trapped in old fogeys bodies. Ghastly.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 28 July 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember that Tom Cox reviewed Kenickie's At The Club album in Vox in 1997 and he gave it just 7 out of 10 which is an insane level of underration given that said record is one of the most glorious and perfect of all time and ever, so I agree yes Tom Cox is shite.

Alex in Rotherham (Alex in Doncaster), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

To be fair to him, had I been driving the car, the kid would've been walking...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

To be fair to the kid 'though; given that his musical tastes are Rammstein and Slipknot and his mum's made him spend part of his school holidays holidays with this pompous, prematurely middle-aged, tosspot whose idea of attempting to widen his musical horizons consists of playing him Chicago and The Steve Miller Band, dragging him across the country to receive history lectures about people who died before he was even born and making him listen to the tedious ramblings of a bunch of "marginalised folk musicians"; he'd probably have been happier walking!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom's a lovely man tho. Looks just like Donny Osmond nowadays...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

This is my favourite bit:

"...my favourite self-made compilation CDs — Families with Beards: August 1972-June 1973, and Songs About Sunny Things: January 1968-June 1970"
*dies of whimsy overload*

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"Tom's a lovely man tho. Looks just like Donny Osmond nowadays..."

Not to mention clearly being every bit as vital, relevant and cutting-edge.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Cox, reads like a grumpy it was better back in my day when proper songs rock ruled the earth: 47 or/ 57 year old, the question if he is like this now - what is he going to be like in 20 or 30 years time?

also note: the tapes 1972-June 1973, and Songs About Sunny Things: January 1968-June 1970" were from a time before he was born ! what a complete plank !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

the question if he is like this now - what is he going to be like in 20 or 30 years time?

Dead, with any luck. Certainly not writing I hope.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

broadsheets cultural coverage should be like this. discuss

gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

nothing bad ever SHOULD be bad

stevem (blueski), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

actually that's not true, but this article does make this Tom Cox guy seem about 20 years older than he really is. and the teenager is a complete rockist anyway.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Most 14 year old boys are rockists, it's like a stage they go through. Cox has no excuse.

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

How are you people reading this? I made it through 3 registration screens before I got asked for a credit card number. Do you all really have subscriptions to the Times web site?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Because God hates us more than he hates you, Tracer; it's bad.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Cox, reads like a grumpy it was better back in my day when proper songs rock ruled the earth: 47 or/ 57 year old, the question if he is like this now - what is he going to be like in 20 or 30 years time?

he'll be on tv programmes giving his inside knowledge of rave culture and the hardcore continuum probably...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

broadsheets cultural coverage should be like this. discuss

It was a so-bad-it's-funny read and gave people plenty to complain about. In that sense it's more entertaining that a boring write-up of some up and coming band.

Larcole (Nicole), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

To bypass the evil olde Times subscription pages:

HEADLINE: In with the nu

One of the strange things about writing about music for a living is that people tend to assume you know a lot about it. The truth is, most pop and rock critics are fakers, opinion-surfers who have only ever picked up a guitar for the sole purpose of looking at themselves in the mirror to see if it made them appear any less of a nerd. Most of the time, we sneak by on a mixture of train-spotter's memory and passion, not quite believing our luck, but just occasionally, we get found out, and always by someone outside the industry. An old friend, for example, will track us down, send us their demo and ask for our professional opinion on production methods, or an intimidatingly technical music-based college course will request that we give a guest lecture.

Like many rock writers, I've had a few of these requests over the years. They have always made me feel partly flattered and partly phoney, but mostly scared. As a result, I've always made a point of hiding from them. In spring last year, however, one came along that I just couldn't help being intrigued by. A friend of my parents, Jenny, was worried about her teenage son, Peter, a walking cloud of nu-metal melancholy whose school grades were suffering thanks to his all-conquering ambition to be a rock star. Could I give him a six-month musical "education" to help him make a more informed decision about his future?

What on earth, I puzzled to myself, did I have to offer a 14-year-old? It struck me that teens these days are self-aware to an almost comic extent. I, on the other hand, was keen to be as unaware of them as possible. I didn't understand their loud, self-hating music, I didn't understand their shapeless trousers, and I understood the numerous metal chains that hung from them even less. But the more I thought about Jenny's proposition, the more the ostensibly unattractive things about it started to seem curiously appealing.

It had been only eight years since I was a music-obsessed adolescent myself, but I realised, at the age of 27, I had completely forgotten what that was like. Sure, I owned the latest Destiny's Child album and various modern records by ageing Americans with too much facial hair, but did I really know anything about Puddle of Mudd and System of a Down, apart from the fact that both had silly names and vocals that sounded like someone projectile vomiting? No. And I hadn't wanted to.

But finding out something about someone who managed to draw some pleasure from their music - now, that seemed interesting. Teenagers were a mystery. Obviously, I wouldn't spend the entire summer with Peter. He had his real schooling to think about and, for a kid who dressed exclusively in black, a surprising number of social commitments. Instead, our curriculum took the form of a series of day trips. I would pick him up in north London and we would zoom off to meet one of the "subjects" of our lessons. These subjects would, on the whole, be marginalised folk musicians - partly because I took evil pleasure in taking Peter out of his natural environment and partly because I had been told that Paul McCartney was "too busy getting married" to see us. We would also visit rock landmarks - the petrol station where the Rolling Stones were arrested for urinating in public, the tree that killed Marc Bolan, Syd Barrett's lost Cambridge. Mostly, however, we would talk and argue over the car stereo.

Before meeting Peter, I had been noticing, dimly, a change in my listening habits.

Nothing radical, I'd thought, just a subtle shift from the spiky to the smooth that had left me unashamedly leaving a copy of The Best of the Steve Miller Band on the coffee table where previously there might have been Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables by Dead Kennedys. Okay, so I was going seriously adult-oriented rock, but it wasn't as if I'd woken up one day and declared: "Yes - I decree that Make Me Smile by Chicago is the best song ever written." It had just sort of crept up on me, and I certainly hadn't realised just how adult-oriented until Peter and I started to spend time together in the car.

Having failed in my mission to ease Peter into my favourite self-made compilation CDs - Families with Beards: August 1972-June 1973, and Songs About Sunny Things: January 1968-June 1970 - and watched him surreptitiously slip on his Walkman headphones, the two of us reached a compromise: for every two albums that he put on by Linkin Park or Slipknot, I would be permitted to play him something from my youth, but only if, in Peter's reckoning, it was "heavy enough". When I had been Peter's age, "heavy", in teenage parlance, still had a Neil from The Young Ones-type meaning to it: like, way out. But Peter's use of the word meant exactly what it said - the guitars on his favourite self-made CD, This Compilation CD Will Self-Destruct, sounded like a lorryload of corrugated iron.

For me, music had become something that you put on in the background while you did the washing up. For Peter, it was much more intense. When he placed Eyeless by Slipknot on the stereo of my Ford Focus, he would stare fixedly at the CD player, as if it were about to reply to some existential question he had handed it. I'd probably done something similar, a decade ago, during scuzzy anthems by bands such as Thinking Fellers Union Local 282 and Mazey Fade. Now, those songs would probably just sound like some kitchen utensils falling down some stairs.

Perplexed, I spoke to Dr Neil Todd, a psychology professor from Manchester University. "One reason young people like loud rock music is that it activates a primitive acoustic sense we've inherited from our ancestors," he said. "This is hard-wired to the dopamine system area of the brain, which mediates hedonistic behaviour. This system tends to reduce in sensitivity with age."

I was still confused, but as my travels with Peter drew to an end, a minor revelation occurred. I was scared of modern teenage music fans, sure, but I'd always felt, on some deep level, I had them sussed: they were hollow replicas of their forebears, I thought - rebeloids who had their alternative culture mass-marketed to them. But what I hadn't considered was that, no matter how self-aware they were, they couldn't fully comprehend this. Peter wasn't going to believe that the adolescents of the four preceding decades had had a more vital music world to exist in just because boring old people like me told him so. He couldn't comprehend that he might find silky pleasure in Hall & Oates's Maneater in a decade's time - he probably hadn't even thought about what he would be listening to next year. And if this didn't mean I understood his musical yens any better, at least it meant I felt happier in not understanding them.

As we parted at his school concert, Axe Demons, he was still a teenager: the eternally innocent, malleable thing that always ensures any talk of the collapse of the music industry is exaggerated. The industrial metal band Rammstein had been his favourite earlier in the year, but now he preferred Slipknot. I, meanwhile, was an ex-music writer: the sort who tries to make sense of and stay in touch with him - then, if they've got any sense, realises they are too old and no longer listen to music in the correct fashion to make such analysis possible. I liked the Steve Miller Band more than ever. Whether this was what his mum meant by an "education" is still very much up for debate.

Educating Peter is published by Bantam Press on August 4

Tom Cox (Nicole), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Wherein we find Tom Cox expresses a bemused and self-indulgent alienation over those kooky youngins and their music. For his next trick, he will post pictures of his cat on his blog.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha

Good work.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

What on earth is a 'blog'? Honestly, you youngsters! With your heavy metal and your computers and your making love!

Tom Cox (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

that's another thing. since when did indie asshole/contrarianism deem is hip/deck to grow beards again? I blame Rivers Cuomo...

Kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"I had been noticing, dimly"

kind of sums it up

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never really been sure how to respond to failed sarcasm, so I'll just get needlessly pendantic. The proper quote is: "You know the kids today, with their loud music, hula hoops, fax machines...but the biggest fad these days: karaoke! Wew! Yuk-e-yeeeewh!" Also acceptable is something like "you kids with your Internet and your hula hoops and your fax machines and your Dawson's Creek and your pierced I-don't-know-what..."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Not to mention the rock and roll music that the kids seem to like.

"SO-DI-UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The truth is, most pop and rock critics are fakers, opinion-surfers who have only ever picked up a guitar for the sole purpose of looking at themselves in the mirror to see if it made them appear any less of a nerd.
Speak for yerself, pencilneck.

Could I give him a six-month musical "education" to help him make a more informed decision about his future?
Tom Cox: "There are great possibilities in insurance, Peter."

What on earth, I puzzled to myself, did I have to offer a 14-year-old?
If you had to ask....

Before meeting Peter, I had been noticing, dimly, a change in my listening habits.
Tom Cox: "I had noticed my tastes were deteriorating..."

This Compilation CD Will Self-Destruct
Dear Peter
you are too cool for the room, even if you are a ninny with too much love for Slipknot.
Signed, Lord Custos.

...sounded like a lorryload of corrugated iron.
Yesss! YESSSSS!

But what I hadn't considered was that, no matter how self-aware they were, they couldn't fully comprehend this.
Tom Cox: "...for they are microbes, and I, mr Musocologist...a living Demigod!"

Peter wasn't going to believe that the adolescents of the four preceding decades had had a more vital music world to exist in just because boring old people like me told him so.
This reminds me of what a family friend, who is currently 78 years old would say: "Everything after Sinatra is derivative crap. Its all flat notes and the same drum beat over and over and over again."

...he was still a teenager: the eternally innocent, malleable thing ...
Why does this this line strike me as oh, so Paedo?

...that always ensures any talk of the collapse of the music industry is exaggerated.
Tom Cox: "Which is odd, considering I keep saying that Everything after Steely Dan is derivative crap. Its all flat notes and the same drum beat over and over and over again."

...too old and no longer listen to music in the correct fashion...
Use you EARS! Stop sticking the speaker up yer ass or into your nose. Use your EARRRSSS!

I liked the Steve Miller Band more than ever. Whether this was what his mum meant by an "education" is still very much up for debate.
His mum sez you got an F-

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

USE OTHER BUGBEARS PLEASE

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, the bit about corrugated iron was my other favourite

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck music criticism. This article makes me want to go to law school.

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

*sinks to knees, laments to heaven*

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Med School, Tom. Med School. We have enough lawyers. We need more doctors.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 28 July 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone else picture Cox cutting the kid into tiny transparent strips, putting them between two glass slides, and looking at them through a microscope so that he could find out more about Those Weird Kids Today?
Oh, and is it my imagination, or are people turning into old fogies at a much younger age than they used to? Used to be that only women were supposed to turn into their parents when they reached 30.

a walking cloud of nu-metal melancholy

However, this is a nice line.

Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Monday, 28 July 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"For me, music had become something that you put on in the background while you did the washing up. For Peter, it was much more intense."
that's the bit that bothers me the most. what the fuck is he doing writing about music if it's just something he puts on in the background? i'd rather read something impassioned written by peter than just another hum drum "sounds pretty" piece of shit by Cox

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 28 July 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

did anybody see him on Fame Academy Extra on bbc3? he is going to be a regular commentator on that show. he wasn't AS dismissive of the contestants as i thought he was going to be. he does look WAY older than 27 though. poor him.

lid, Monday, 28 July 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, the 2nd Steve Miller Band alb is like, really really good

Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 28 July 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)


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