Quick Disclaimer: Yes, I know the ILM nation is fucking well-tired of my ceaseless invokations and rants about Killing Joke, but being that I finally aquired the proper album, I'd feel remiss in not posting something about it here. Please note, however, that the below passage was initially written for the Gathering, and not ILM, hence the "of course, we all know blah blah blah" sorta tone. Thanks.
So, after furiously rifling through every conceivable "import section" in the bigger stores and every remaining specialty shop in NYC (their numbers are dwindling like those of the great beasts on the African plain) since the album's UK release, I'd come up empty, almost resigning myself to wait for its proper release or try the Internet. Then, as fate would have it......
Walking up to Madison Square Garden to catch the Iron Maiden/Motorhead(and...er..Dio) gig, I briefly popped into Academy Records on W.18th street as a lark......when lo and behold......HOLY SHIT, THEY HAVE IT. I picked up -- for a paltry $8.99 -- a copy of the US edition (must've been pawned by some rock hack reviewer). "Bonus Track 11. Wardance". Apart from a cut-out in the serial box, it's official (nowhere does it say "promo only, not for re-sale"). I bounded smugly up to the counter and purchased the fucker, somewhat embarassed that I was purchasing a Killing Joke album whilst wearing a Killing Joke shirt like Johnny Fanboy, but FUCK'EM!!!!!! IT's MINE!!!!
I'm still only wading into it, but here are my initial impressions......
1. This has been a bigger topic of discussion on The Gathering, but the US edition does *NOT* include the tracks "Zennen," "Future Shock," "Inferno" nor "Tailspin." The "bonus track" is "Wardance". Thanks for playing. Those other tracks may be scattered between the UK and Japanese editions.
2. The cover art is -- I'm sorry to join the choir here -- flatlyindefensible. I was hoping for maybe a little more diversion on the inner booklet, but it's only the same image repeated in different hues.....(think Technique by New Order, only less elegant). In other words, it's a blinding dayglo nightmare. I know album covers aren't the meat of the matter, but thinking back to some of the brilliant covers of this particular band's past, it's sort've amystery how they ended up with this. I know, I know -- maybe they justdecided to scale everything back and keep it simple....but simple doesn't have to equate with stupid or half-assed, right? This album deserves a better sleeve.
3. In terms of the tunes, I've already weighed in on many of them:
(a) I think "TD&RS" is fucking great. (b) I've cooled significantly on "Total Invasion" and "Dark Forces". In fact, those two are my least favorite tracks on the album (ranking lower than "Loose Cannon" actually). They're still fine songs, but they're not nearly as distinctive nor immediate as some other selections here. (c) "Asteroid" is both fantastic and infuriating at the same time(something about the "told'ja so!" way Jaz sings "ASSS-TA-ROOOYYYYYYYD!" sorta bugs me), but the riff is chuggtastic and the pace is exhilerating. (d) "Implant", again, is fucking genius, and does indeed out-Motorhead Motorhead. (e) "Blood on Your Hands" is *SIMPLY BRILLIANT* and completely restores my faith in this band.
(f)"Loose Cannon" is....well..."Loose Cannon," innit! I believe we've milked dry the topic-cow of this song.
(g) "You'll Never Get to Me" was a surprising corner to turn, and I'm still wrapping my cerebellum around it. Definetely has the elegiac flavor of the Democracy period.
(h) "Seeing Red" is, like "Blood On Your Hands", absolutely magnificent.
(i) "The House that Pain Built" isn't my favorite. Starts offpromisingly enough, but the bits where they speed up recall the Atkins era, wherein the band seemed to try to compete with the hardcore corps. Killing Joke can be stealthy, but the breakneck pace of hardcore doesn't really suit them, I find. This track is, admittedly, kind've a headache.
(j) Regarding the new rendering "Wardance," I still prefer the first version.
4. Regarding the Very Metal Sound here, I'm torn. I've always been a fan of metal, but when I initially discovered the celestial majesty of Killing Joke (circa "Eighties"/"A New Day"), I didn't connect them with metal in the slightest. There are certainly "metallic" elements to their music (more so the first album than anything until Extremities), but I'd never call them a "heavy metal" band. Part of the genius of Killing Joke, however, is their elusive nature. The Punks claim them. The Post-Punks claim them. The Industrial scene claims them. The Goths claim them. The Metalheads claim them. Meanwhile, they belong to no proper 'scene' other than their fuckingOWN, thank you very much. Geordie's guitar is the defining element each time, and he's back on the power-chord chug here for most of the proceedings, rather than the sinister "bell" chime (though that reared its head as recently as "Aeon," let's remember). If I had to guess, I'd suggest that the band feels that this "harder" sound better suits the sentiments being expressed on the album (more desperate the hour equates with more anxious the sound, maybe?) The argument could also be made that being that this is essentially yet another 'comeback' album (their own fault for being away so long, mind you), they feel the need to out-"oomph" the Nu-Metalers currently making the `rounds. I'm just fucking relieved there's no rappingon it.
5. Jaz's vocals.....all stripes on this one. It's great to hear his sonorous tones on, say, "Blood On Your Hands" and/or "You'll Never Get To Me". The shouty, phlegmy, screamy style is also in abundance, but at least there's a diversity of style.
6. Would've liked to have seen Raven get a bit more recognition.
7. Dave Grohl definetely adds a punch that has been sorely missing from the band since the brief Atkins period. I'd prefer it if next time they all recorded together and not piecemeal (Grohl's drums weren't added until the very end, in an entirely different studio).
8. Overall, I'd say I'm pretty pleased. It's definetly an album I can see myself returning to more than Democracy and Pandemonium. The low points are largely forgivable for the most part, and the high parts are fucking celestial and rank with some of the band's best work, I feel (I'm talking specifically about "Blood on your Hands", "Seeing Red" and "Implant").
Anyway, therewith my two euros.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 31 July 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 31 July 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 31 July 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 31 July 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)
I've got the UK promo which I'm pretty certain has the final tracklisting for the UK release and that has only ten tracks and none of the possible bonus ones you mention.( Wardance is on the single though, which I haven't got yet. You're right the first version is the best.) It's long enough anyway.
I think overall you're a bit harsh on the album. The first four or five tracks taken together are totally storming and there are other great songs too. I can't undersatnd why they chose Loose Cannon as the single 'cause there are at least five songs much better than it.
I see what you mean about some of the songs having the feel of Democracy/Pandaemonium.
The production is excellent, when the band chug together they sound immense, and Geordie doesn't just play powerchords all the time, but there's not much of that ching to it.
The cover is rubbish, yes.
Dave Grohl who I've never had much time for before has done a great job, it's clear he's a fan and he's paid attention to some of the drumming on the first few albums and come up with something easonably similar. Especially nice compared to the tat on the last album.
Raven doen't get _any_ credit, but according to the back of the CD sleeve he's not anywhere on the album. I also can't help thinking that the line "Assemble different drummers" dates to a time when they were going to use a bunch of different people.
Jaz sounds driven, his spluterring and hissing and moaning is the best it's ever been, the bit on Implant where he snarls about sticking your ID cards up your arse is frigthening - scary like a drunk rounding on you with a broken glass and a look in his eye.
If a new/young band came out with it they'd be drooled over by everyone.I need time to give me perspective but I think this is going to be one of KJ's great albums, along woth their first, second, fourth and Extremities. (and maybe Night Time)
― mei (mei), Thursday, 31 July 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)
Because they sound great.Try to explain to someone why they'd like chocolate.
(NB most people I know don't like them at all and the monotony and anger puts a lot more people off. But if you like them you'll probably love them)
― mei (mei), Thursday, 31 July 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Evan (Evan), Thursday, 31 July 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― mei (mei), Friday, 1 August 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 1 August 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― mei (mei), Friday, 1 August 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 1 August 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009V3R2/ref=sr_aps_music_1_1/202-1597688-1155814
....it's indeed the "UK Bonus track".
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 1 August 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)
Spose I was going to buy the proper version anyway...
― mei (mei), Saturday, 2 August 2003 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)
http://www.misera.net/gathering/gigs/vienna20030803/andy/05_stage_screens.jpg
http://www.misera.net/gathering/gigs/vienna20030803/andy/09_jaz.jpg
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm in Berlin on the weekend and Killing Joke...aren't. Damn.
― mei (mei), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 06:34 (twenty-two years ago)
It's probably on a ley line or something. ;~)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 07:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)
Incidentally, if you haven't gotten off of your flaccid, pale posteriors and picked up this album yet, well.....YOU SUCK!
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― hector (hector), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)
http://www.duskdigital.com/gallery/albums/killingjoke/Killing_Joke_43x.thumb.jpg
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)
http://hem.passagen.se/ato3234/killingjoke/guitar1.jpg
Geordie is hairier, but-still-apparently-radioactive mode.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― adam (adam), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)
....for word on the bootleg cover....if you're interested, that is. ha.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)
http://cabaretvoltaire.net/pictures.killingjoke/KillingJoke13.jpg
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 29 August 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)
THAT'S `CUZ IT'S FUCKING BRILLIANT, DESPITE WHAT THOSE FATUOUS ASSCLOWNS AT ROLLING STONES SAY (they only gave it two out of five stars, but then again....why should a magazine who puts the Olsen Twins and those cockjockeys from "American Idol" on its cover know anything about music?)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 August 2003 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 August 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 29 August 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 29 August 2003 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 10 November 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 November 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 10 November 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)
this album is indeed a monster. "asteroid!" could've used a better cover though
― parmenides the elder, Friday, 27 August 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0002FHA92.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)
Well, it's superior in that it includes selections from Fire Dances and features unreleased mixes (while Laugh? features only pre-released album tracks). There are some arguably key tracks missing, but quibbles aside, it's a farther reaching compilation than Laugh?.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)
I think the whole concept of an album being "for beginners" seems a bit patronizing (perhaps An Introduction might've been better?) In any case, the album serves as a handy glimpse of some of the band's many incarnations, so it presents more of an overview. If you start with their first album -- with which you really can't go wrong, in my opinion -- you'll get only a taste of the band at that stage of their career (though chances are that if you don't like their first one, you probably won't care for any of their stuff). For Beginners is simply a broader sampling of their work. Choose accordingly.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 16 October 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 16 October 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)
Nudging me in the ribs, you know - tongue in cheek - "So, remember when *you* liked *Rush*?" [as if I wouldfall apart with shame]
I recall calmly replying, matter of factly "Yes."For I still liked Rush.
― Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― god of rock, Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)
Awfully big of you.
But why Robert Smith didn't so them for ripping off "The Holy Hour"
Pardon me, but BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
and then they sued Nirvana for whatever that song was makes it hard to really like them. Sorry dudes.
Nirvana got what they deserved.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― god of rock, Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm not saying that the Joke never pilfered the odd bit here and there (listen to the Damned's "Life Goes On", War's "Me & Baby Brother" and "Negativland" by Neu! to hear proto-Joke appropriations), but i don't believe the band has ever had anything charitable to say about the Cure, let alone rip them off. That said, I don't have a copy of Faith here at the office, so i can't play it. Which song are you suggesting borrows from "The Holy Hour"?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 16 October 2004 06:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― god of rock, Saturday, 16 October 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 October 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)
If you want to accuse the Joke of stealing the riff to "Eighties", listen to "Life Goes On" on the Damned's Strawberries album (though Big Paul and Jaz are unfamiliar with the track). Geordie? Who's to say.
But The Cure? Hardly.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 16 October 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― god of rock, Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 October 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)
Then fuckin' why mention it on a Killing Joke thread?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 16 October 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)
Yeah, maybe it was. But it's also ancient fuckin' history --- as is Nirvana. Moreover, it's all been settled. Grohl even apologized (and repented by drumming on the entirety of the album this thread is dedicated to). Novoselic is bald and busy attempting to be political, Courtney's on the fast track to a highly justifiable stay in an asylum, Kurt's been cremated, and Killing Joke are still around, still recording and moving forward.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 16 October 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 October 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 16 October 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)
I felt like I was the only one in the world who noticed this connection! Whew! I feel a lot better, now.
― Bimble (bimble), Sunday, 17 October 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)
this album is so fucking good
― macklin' rosie (crüt), Monday, 9 June 2014 19:18 (eleven years ago)
No, it's so fucking goddamn good! Some days this is my absolute favorite of theirs. It perfectly captures my anger and frustration with the state of the world.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:54 (eleven years ago)