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what killed NYC punk?

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and please, no "it never really died" answers.

― nonthings (nonthings), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

9/11

― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

england

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

as in "england doing it so much better"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

alternately you can sub in "l.a."

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

or "d.c."

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

or "the stooges"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

several problems with these theories. first punk died way before 9/11, probably '79 or '80. I have a pretty hard time with the theory that UK, LA, DC punk being better than NYC punk, but it still doesn't answer my question. The Stooges were pretty much done in NYC punk's heyday.

― nonthings (nonthings), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

sub-thread: WHEN did NYC punk die?

― nonthings (nonthings), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

laziness

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Did punk die when it was branded "punk?" Once a movement's been identified and commodified, surely its potency is diminished. The best "punk" bands to ever have existed are the ones you'll never know about.

― Andrew Frye (paul cox), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

it was branded punk before the music existed

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Legs McNeil.

― JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

did it die when punk was branded "new wave" by record companies?

― nonthings (nonthings), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

big diff. between bangs 'music sucks now' whine circa 70whatevah and s. reynolds 'music sucks now' circa the last few years - bangs knew what he wanted and knew how to ask for it, reynolds just pouts.

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't Malcom McLaren the classical answer?

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

what about the Sid Vicious backlash? or Blondie/Talking heads (who were never really punk) major label signing? what it simply (as Frye points out) its emersion into popular culture?

― nonthings (nonthings), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Blount, do you think Reynolds may know what he wants?

I mean, I don't know what I want from music anymore, what with nowness not offering a Big New Thing and allowing me to better appreciate what's out there right now. But maybe after the last few years, it's weird not having some crazy new trend to get mad about.

Uh, sidetrack. I can't answer the question anyway.

― Barima (Barima), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Besides the 'it's the money'-type obvious.

― Barima (Barima), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"My baby she's so square, why she doesn't even care, about Johnny Rotten's hair" - The News, Wyoming (1978)

Who needs New York?

― Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, I'm not sure reynolds knows what he wants and if he does he certainly hasn't articulated it (beyond the basic 'something new plz'). he's purely reactive.

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Monday, 4 August 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

it wasn't supposed to go on and on. i mean if your aim is to destroy everything that came before you and it takes you ten years to do it then you are probably doing it wrong. even someone like the jesus and mary chain only really needed one single. everything that came after that was just...more. one a side and one b side should be all you need to lay waste to the world. anything more than that = a job.

― wantedtoliveatthecrasshousewhenhewas16, Monday, 4 August 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

uh, "NYC Punk"? (that's an answer, not a question, btw. not like i'd know or anything)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 4 August 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

do you want a real answer? cuz if so how about punk's popularity/prominence made LES hip, thus higher rents, less practice spaces, etc., etc., etc. same thing that's happening now with the williamsburg scene (which is why red hook, greenpoint & sunset park are where it's at). jersey's had a better punk scene for at least the past 15 years, possibly cuz it's actually AFFORDABLE (sez the unemployed dude writing from his LES apartment) so you don't have to be a trust fund kid to have time to play/practice/etc. then again any punker worth his salt doesn't practice anyway, rite?

(oh, and new wave existed as a genre name before the majors started slapping it on vinyl)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 4 August 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

true - in jazz, cinema

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Monday, 4 August 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to say "smack" myself.

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 4 August 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, how can anyone afford practice space in New York?

― Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 4 August 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

What with all the smack bills to pay.

― Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 4 August 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

you share rehearsal spaces with other bands -- split the rent between 5 bands or so and each band gets the room a certain night. my friend's band has split space with interpol, ssion, yeah yeah yeahs, secret machines and prosaics in the past couple of years...

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 4 August 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The city got too expensive. It pretty much begins and ends there.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 August 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

NYC Hardcore.

― V (1411), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Going out to see shitty bands in dumpy clubs filled with bitchy junkie old timers just wasn't fun anymore. It was more fun getting dressed up and going out to big dumpy nightclubs and dancing to disco/electro/New Pop/New Romantic stuff.

Also, ecstasy.

― Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Giuliani.

― Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

When slamdancing starting being called moshing.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Drunk monkeys on fire killed NYC punk film at 11!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I did.

― ddb, Tuesday, 5 August 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I explicitly asked for it!

― r hell, Tuesday, 5 August 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

the yeah yeah yeahs "fever to tell". blahh.

― ben, Tuesday, 5 August 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)


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