critics are the devil

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They really are. Especially the ones who write so well that they have you convinced that a record is manna from heaven, only to discover it's, well, just music. I'm sure everyone's had the experience of reading a review/article that was so well written, so full of joy for what it was writing about that it overshadowed the music itself, that - try as hard as you might to convince yourself you're just not listening to it "right", that you're not hearing something you should - tricked you, goddammit.

Recent examples: I picked up the Queens of The Stone Age record on Simon Reynolds recommendation via his website, and not only found it to be mediocre crap, it also sounded *nothing* like his description of it. Ian Penman's semi-embarassing, weepy-eyed review of the Missy Elliot record in The Wire.

Classic examples: Greil Marcus' description of the first Slits 12" at the beginning of Lipstick Traces. Never heard it, but I don't care if Yaweh himself is in those grooves, NOTHING could sound like the awe-inspiring, first-day-of-creation wonder that Marcus' words imbue it with.

Jess, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, some critics go over the top, but they're just a resource for another person's opinion (just like this website). Actually, without critics I probably wouldn't have discovered over half of the records I own (or not as soon).

Oh, and music is manna from heaven!

Sean, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually, I was just looking for others experience in these matters. I guess it would help if I worded it as a question. ;]

I'd say *90%* of my listening in the past few years has come from critics, since the majority of my friends have horrible taste (but I love them anyway.)

Jess, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

See also: liner notes to St. Etienne's new album...

turner, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, Penman's article really convinced me to get 'Miss E' - too bad he jizzed all over the worst songs on the album! There is definite awesome, ass-kicking stuff on that record, but in retrospect, his review is a little ridiculous (I read it again the other day). I should have been suspicious when I read that "Like it or not, this is the music of NOW..." bullcrap, anyway, though.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I especially liked how he described "What'cha Gonna Do?" as some sort of paradigm shifting future funk, when it's basically dancehall. Also, the notion of a vocoder/Zapp rip making him cry...eep. Penman can be a good writer, but his lapses into hyperbole are sometimes unforgivable.

Jess, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's also interesting to compare his two reviews from that article, the other one being of 'Amnesiac.' His reasons for being disappointed with 'Amnesiac' are very clear and well-stated - the minute you think of Talk Talk, or Can, etc., 'Amnesiac' starts to feel a little limp, stuff like that. But I never really got why he thought 'Miss E' was so incredible, besides some vague notion of 'The Now,' and how it feels so much more touching, fresh, and exciting than anything else out there. He didn't really elaborate those comments much, though... maybe he really wants it to be all of those things; that's sort of the impression I got reading it over the other day. Sounds like he's hungering for a paradigm shift. Nitsuh? ;-)

Clarke B., Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry, I meant '...to compare his two reviews from that issue.'

Clarke B., Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Turner - see the liner notes for *any* Saint Etienne album. The reason they're enjoyable and not despicable is that you have to have (presumably) bought the album to read them, so it's not as if you haven't already been sucked in.

Tim, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually, The Sound Of Water was my first foray into St. Etienne territory (sorry-didn't know they had another album out). I liked Julian Opie's artwork on the cover, and, on impulse, I bought it. On the train home, I eagerly unwrapped the jewel case, opened the booklet, and browswed the review. Hyperbolic doesn't even begin to describe it. I wasn't quite as impressed with the record though.

turner, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I prefer it when critics go OTT. Okay, so eventually you wind up with some duds in your collection but so what? I fucking hate does factual, grey, me-I-try-to-be-objective critic. The only thing that surprise me of that Penman review on Missy was how tardy it was (and how he only got it with the 3rd album).

Omar, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh pleeez, Omar, did you ever read Greil's chapter on The Band? I nearly cried. It was so moving. Then I bought the record. Gag-spit-puke. Marcus was also at the crossroad trying to sell his soul to the devil. Only the devil accused Greil of ripping him off.

nathalie, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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did you ever read Greil's chapter on The Band?

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Hell no! Whadda ya take me for, some crazy guy? :) I'll never read any word on Dylan or any band close to that tosser. Esp. not by Marcus. Although Lipstick Traces is fun (can't remember that description of the Slits though).

Omar, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not a 12" in the sense of 12" single: but the "official slits bootleg" also known as "Y" (actually the label, an offsoot of Rough Trade) and "Bongos on the Lawn". It is a grate record not least becoz it led to that piece of writing (if you like that piece of writing). I tht IP-man was reaching for something he knew not how to say, re a record he found amazing, and settled (on deadline) for stuff he knew how to say, which was (unfortunately) old-hat blabber.

mark s, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, don't get me wrong...I *love* that piece of writing...it's probably one of the handful of things that convinced me to "do this." (The utter folly of writing about music.) I must have re- read that page eight or nine times before continuing with the rest of the book...

Jess, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It is a grate record not least becoz it led to that piece of writing (if you like that piece of writing).

Erm, hmmm, actually, this may be the ONLY sense in which it is a "grate record": as a Slits=Most-Important-band-of-All-Time nutcase (retd.), I owned Bongos for years before GM wrote abt it, and always — for perfectly suspect ideological reasons — insisted it was PURE GENIUS, which it, um, kinda wasn't. Until it was validated. Hurrah!!

mark s, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What I have learnt from something like twenty years of reading reviews of music or movies is one thing. Never trust a critic. Just trust yourself. I try to buy only albums which I have listened to a wee bit at least.

A music critic cannot write only bad reviews. Usually he/she is depending on the music industry. Definitely not objective.

What I try to do is find reviewers who have a similar taste to mine and then checking out their recommendations. Another good source of information on new music are good radio programmes. I have been listening to Bernard Lenoir at France Inter (has he ever been mentioned here before?) who very often likes music I like. He is a little bit the French John Peel (That's what I heard. I do not know a thing about John Peel.).

There are so many deceptions when only following the critics. I just list a few: Van Morrison - Astral Weeks (not crap but no masterpiece) , Radiohead - OK Computer (Amnesiac is great but OKC is shite, old stuff which bands like Pink Floyd did much better in the 70s), Oasis - everything (most hyped band ever). Britpop except Blur belongs in the bin.

And those bloody critics. They miss out so much. The first Smashing Pumpkins Gish is as masterpiece. Almost better than their second good record Mellon Collie. And which critic realised that the first Red House Painters Down Colourful Hill was their chef d'oeuvre? And what about Swell? From San Francisco. Their first three albums are psychedelic rock at its finest. And Idaho and Your Precious You (just ordered the EP) AND AND AND. Critics are blind. Most of them have dollar bills in their eyes. They are paid for reviewing, never forget that!

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"What I try to do is find reviewers who have a similar taste to mine and then checking out their recommendations"

mark s, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Praising Oasis (or the Smashing Pumpkins for that matter)...Pauline Kael and the guy who's name appears at the bottom of the "Hilarious Romp of the Summer" tag on the Latest Teenage Tittie Comedy 2 poster are both critics...but probably *only* in the sense that they both get paid for it...

Jess, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Are you kidding me? Kael would have LOVED "American Pie". You think she just wrote about german expressionism or something?

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think the most disturbing thing of all is that I was just going to write American Pie above.

I think my last post was my overly precious way of saying that getting paid for doing something is perhaps not the best criterion for dismissing critics. The guy who shills for your local shopping circular or the "Entertainment Radio Network" (what the hell is this...I see it popping up more and more on movie ads) ain't Pauline Kael. Or even Roger Ebert. (Who I think is a fine critic in his own right.) They're both getting paid, but I have no trouble beleiving that the opinions being spouted by Kael or Ebert or Ian Penman are their own. (They've also given me reason in the past to trust their critical judgement, something that, say, the average staff writer for Entertainment Weekly hasn't.)

Jess, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

alex in mainhattan----you seem to be under the impression that there IS an objective standard of what is "good" and "bad".

Melissa W, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There IS an objective standard of good and bad -- good is what I like. Bad is what I don't. That objective enough for you? B/C once we've agreed on that social definition, then we'll all know what good and bad are. In any case, on the Marcus review, which I just read (have steered clear of Lipstick Traces because the whole notion of the project Marcus embarked on there repulses me) and the review is quite good, but seems hardly about the Slits at all, but rather the ethos which he seeks in all of punk, the single exemplifying through a fancy metaphor that ethos. If you trust Marcus on punk, then the single WILL sound that good.

Sterling Clover, Friday, 10 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Always remember they get paid to review!"

Amount of money I have ever got from writing about music: zero. Not all critics are paid critics.

Tom, Friday, 10 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom, I was not thinking about you. I thought about critics who work for the NME, for Village Voice, for any publication which pays its contributors. I know that you do not get paid. But don't you think it would be absurd if you would get paid for what you love to do? I think it is a privilege not to depend on the music industry.

Melissa, as Sterling already said there is my own standard. I do not know if it is yours, but very often it differs from the standard of the well-known critics.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 10 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Look, the thing with music journalism is that you're more beholden to your editor than any record companies. If you just want to review music it's not terribly complicated; after you've been around a few years you get sent most things unsolicited. And any readers of publication fine print know that the publication and its writers have no obligation to actually review unsolicited material. Interviews are another story, and most interviews with big music stars are subject to the same bullshit as TV and film stars.

suzy, Friday, 10 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

alex in mainhattan---my only point was that you were talking about it as if critics, because they are paid, are purposely snubbing the records you like. As if they truly like them but say differently because they are employed by the NME or whoever. Just because they are paid doesn't mean honest opinion ceases to exist. They may like records you don't, and hate ones you do regardless of monetary compensation. "critics are blind"=they don't agree with you? And saying they are "deceived" by records. Maybe they honestly enjoy listening to them?

Melissa W, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
Alex in Manhattan,
It just bugged me ok? - I banged on about Swell for fucking years but the cloth-eared cunts known as the general public DIDN'T LISTEN. Too easy to just blame critics for music's ills. Shit happens.
NK

Neil Kulkarni, Monday, 18 November 2002 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

CTCL eat my fuc

dave q, Monday, 18 November 2002 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the moral of the story here is to never, ever, ever assume Simon Reynolds is right.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, what do you want them to do? Tone down how much they like it? Tone down how well-written it is? If they like something, say, "Well, it was good. But most definitely not the savior of humanity"?

David Allen, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 02:40 (twenty-three years ago)

haha how ironic

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 02:47 (twenty-three years ago)


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