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so um there's AK79 (It's Bigger Than Both Of Us : NZ Singles 1979-82 covers the entire country, but still seems sort of relevant), & quite a bit of interest in this again.

what's it like? my pre-Auckland Nundoctrination response would have been something to the effect of it's-all-rip-offs-&-posing-&-etc (which is weird because I like rip-offs & posing, but then I remember there's not a lot of straight-up punk that I like on record), but I've been hearing something interesting things, on RG listening posts & on National Radio in Nostromo & stuff.

duane? di? esoj? anyone?

Ess Kay (esskay), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Or like an Aucklander who was actually around the punk scene for a while, whomsoever they might be. Could such a fellow truly exist?

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

all the auckland punks I know are nineteen years old, andrew!

(btw auckland punk party this friday - b0bb1ns, muffl3rs (hey they cover "rebel girl" & stuff & I know yv0nn3), etc etc, you & e should totally come, it's m4tt's going away party & that. it'll be like p3lv1c trust!)

Ess Kay (esskay), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll table it at the next meeting. Anyway, I imagine this guy'd say "just get AK79", esp. the expanded reissue. Avoid the kitschily Nazi Suburban Reptiles, I suppose. Wade Churton'd know, it's his thing.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

well, are there any bands/tracks/etc that you like?

kitschy Nazi stuff is EXACTLY what I feared from Ak punk.

who's Wade Churton?

Ess Kay (esskay), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Duane might know him, he wrote (and published) a book about NZ punk. Tracks, Scavengers' "Mysterex" is my favourite, pretty pop. Also their "True Love", Features "City Scenes", Proud Scum "I am a Rabbit" (Evan Dando liked it, anyway) and "Suicide 2" cos it's kinda funny, Spelling Mistakes "Feel So Good". The Suburban Reptiles are prob at least good for research, I think I liked "Saturday Night Stay at Home", but it's been a good long while since I heard most of this stuff. Also I guess Toy Love count, but you've prob heard all their stuff anyway. I like "Pull Down the Shades".

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

This is all quite pop and links up to things like the Screaming Mee Mees' "See Me Go" and maybe people I've never heard like Netherworld Dancing Toys or something, too. And Fetus Productions, obv.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Also you should somehow see the "Mysterex" video, they'd just tried heroin for the first time (apparently) and do their best to mime along. It's fucking ace.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

AND the Missing Teeth were pretty easily the best current Ak punk act last time I checked, they drink DOUBLE BROWN and had a song we decided was called "Bob Dylan". According to a couple of fans behind us tonight they'd be all good w/selling a lot of records, but they wouldn't change their sound in order for it to happen. They haven't played for a fucking while, though.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

And if I'm being all CURRENT which indeed I am, there's also the Sound Laydee, who is maybe not too strongly "punk" musically but IS one, so she counts and is often pretty fantastic. My favourites are 'Super Computer' and 'Sup Foo' but all too sadly she broke up. She was mostly fucking (I love that word) great the few times I saw her play.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Fucking A

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

the coolies used to be real good. but apparently they haven't really been playing recently?

cameron, Wednesday, 6 August 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Are they "punk"? They should be, I guess. They've been playing a bit, sometimes they're great, sometimes they're not. They have a new drummer. They were called F.I.S.T. for one gig (maybe two). They have a keyboard now. They're all FUCKING hot. Also maybe Cat! Cat! Cat! count, they were rockin at the KA, not so much at the PB, still pretty good.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Love to say "fucking"

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

ess kay i think andrew's on pt about mosta this stuff except the suburban reptiles "sat nite stay at home" is great great great. also i bet you'd like modern auckland punk like that band that do the song about going to verona better than the old time stuff , maybe not tho

forbidden or obsolete (24 hour troubleshooter), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok that probably IS the one I liked by them then, good.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Coolies are still playing - they played 2 nights in Welling-town just a few weeks ago.

You can't really go past AK79 (esp the expanded version), tho' the Scavs album is good and there's just been a release of the Spelling Mistakes album. Check www.records.co.nz for all yr punk/garage needs. I think they're still selling 'Mysterex' [the zine] which has plenty of info.

Wade Churton's book 'Have You Checked the Children' is a good read on the development of NZ punk. Your local library/bookstore should be able to track down a copy if it's still in print. I think he's working on part 2 the post punk years IIRC tho' I can't remember where I heard that.

Bill E (bill_e), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah read "have you checked the children". i haven't heard much of the old school auckland punk, except the spelling mistakes whom i HATE HATE HATE and that band who did "i am a rabbit" i forget their name, they are okay i guess. suburban reptiles "saturday night stay at home" is real choice. sound laydee is good, why did she "break up"? "supercomputer" is her best track, about half of her CD is really great and the other half is dead boring. some of her subject matter is a bit wtf??!! that track about ANDREA DWORKIN, how is that even relevant in nz in the year 2000-and-whatever?

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 7 August 2003 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

the spelling mistakes' "(hurting you) feels so good" is a great track! "i am a rabbit" is by proud scum and is the one the lemonheads covered. i like "suicide II" better tho'; killer tinny, simultaneously booming drum sound, funny lyrics that namecheck grafton bridge (fave auckland suicide jumping point: "c'mon john, it's all downhill!"). the best tracks on AK79 were the swingers' ones (written by phil judd, who was in the suburban reptiles when they were good, i.e. the above-mentioned "saturday night....")also he did (had?)an early tenure in split enz!)), tho' they were really more 'new wave' than punk. supercar were auckland's best 'punk' (i.e. rock'n'roll) band.

cameron, Thursday, 7 August 2003 07:53 (twenty-two years ago)

also the instigators track "hope she's alright" on the " bigger than both of us" comp is pretty cool; worrying about a friend who's on the game and hasn't made it home yet...

cameron, Thursday, 7 August 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

hi Cameron; are you in new zealand ?

i remember "hope she's alright" well as it was very catchy and popular and so it got played on "Radio with Pictures" several times, which meant the tv people had to censor the line which went "she's got a job, $$$$ing men"; the censorship was just as low-budget as the video for the song, so the song and the screen would simply be blanked for that bite, so that you couldn't even read the instigator's lips; i remember seeing what looked like a bit of red cardboard being used to blank the screen, so they tried to get the gist of it across as best they could

i thought Ronald Wade Churton's next book was to be about the early f.nun um "post-punk" new zealand scene? It's well on its way from what i've heard, as he's conducted many interviews for it already i'm told. Maybe it will be in an academic form, a thesis, but i don't know much more about it; i see him every so often somewhere in chch and he's very interesting to talk to about a lot of music, from then or now, and he usually says that the book's "coming along ..."

I think it will be a quite momentus chunk of history; seems there's agreement that things like the "give it a whirl" doco just skimmed the surface, so i can see how daunting it would be producing anything "definitive", as there must be so much not to leave out (even just compared to the ".. children " book which dealt with a brief flash in the musical history of new zealand (as did "AK 79"));

and what was happening in chch and ak, these two scenes seem a bit seperate really, with the chch thing going on longer, having some staying power, what with what was playing at the Gladstone being prodded and encouraged by the emerging bill direens and axemen and pin groups (who'd turned up first in the " ..children") book;

all that chch stuff plus all the developements in dunedin.. golly that's so many bands; so much stuff that suddenly started happening

george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

(btw auckland punk party this friday - b0bb1ns, muffl3rs (hey they cover "rebel girl" & stuff & I know yv0nn3)

words cannot express how unappealing that sounds.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 7 August 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

hi george,
nah, i'm still in london. roddy and dz are gonna be here in september, so i've set up a constant pain reunion show with my new band the mean streaks, which is me, jayne, matthew hyland, dave mitchell and a guy from australia called rohan. it will be choice.

cameron, Friday, 8 August 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I like 'Mysterex' the magazine too, but I knew the guy who wrote most of it so I'm biased. It's not specific to Ak punk, though.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 8 August 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

a guy from australia called rohan

err.. not "hartley-mills" by any chance?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 8 August 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I need to listen to the original comp again. (Subtext: I wanna go back to Auckland and Dunedin again! Wah!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

esoj,
no. his surname's thomas. he's from sydney and makes electronic music too.

cameron, Friday, 8 August 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)


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