In honor of Rahsaan Roland Kirk (RIP)

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Today woulda been the man's 69th birthday. I come across this tidbit of info while listening to the 3-saxes-at-once intro to his song "The Inflated Tear". It's so intense it's like draining to listen to (in the best possible way).

Anyway, do what you will with this thread...C/D, S/D, POX, etc. I just think this man deserves a thread in his honor today.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

And here he is layin' it down...
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/artists/kirk.jpg

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"When I was six, I didn't wait for my mom to buy me a violin or a trumpet, I started out right on the garden hose."

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

The only video I own is The One Man Twins, a gift from my beloved sister (Kirk live at Montreaux Jazz Fest). Definitely search it out, amazing to see what he was doing live.

(It also has footage of him snorting some white powder out of a spoon and then offering a toot to the audience -- v. weird to see a blind guy holding out a spoonful of coke [if that's what it is] to a crowd, feeling around for noses. Still worth seeing even w/ out this scene though.)

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow. I love The Inflated Tear (the only RRK I've ever heard, keep meaning to get more, but can't justify [to myself] buying the box and don't know what I should ask for...tips???)
I've never seen pictures of him playing three horns at once. I can imagine how you could play two, but three??? I mean, the dude only had two hands? How did he play the third???
Although maybe I don't want to know, maybe I prefer the mystery.
Yes, leave me the mystery, I have so few left.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Two hands but ten fingers.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

"The Inflated Tear" is absolutely ace. Hey, Björk knows that too! ;-)

*tries to recall when was the last time he played something from does your house have lions? on the radio; decides that must've been a while ago*

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

so is he just blowing clean through the third horn?
izzat "playing"? (down to brass tacks)
won't diminish my awe at his music (which I loved before realizing he was doing it in such a bizarre way, ie on sound alone, ie before I knew what he was doing)

but, y'know, the kind of personal people used to call "original" back when that still meant something.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 7 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

um, not sure I would like to listen to his music after looking at that picture.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 7 August 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I've GOT that Live at Montreaux vid Mark, and that bit where he's dishing out some snoot-toot to the kids in the front is quite entertaining. He's got the biggest grin on his face while he's doing that. But apart from that, the performances on that video are super-astounding; any footage I've ever seen of him has been though. Blowing saxes, nose-flute solos, slamming chairs on the ground, singing impromptu Stevie Wonder songs to the audience. Just...WOW.

I bet you would Julio...I'm surprised you haven't!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

that pic is telling me: 'I can't do much with one saxophone so I'll blow through a bunch of 'em at the same time for you'.

sorry I'm just a cynical wreck most of the time but I'll prob give it a listen.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 7 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

My tentative Kirk POX:

1. Volunteered Slavery
2. I Talk With Spirits
3. Three for the Festival
4. One Ton
5. The Inflated Tear
6. The Call
7. Blacknuss
8. Jack the Ripper
9. Serenade to a Cuckoo
10.We Free Kings

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing is, he usually only plays one sax at a time, but he occasionally does passages where he'll play two or three at once; when he does the three-at-once, he alternates his pedal-tones between the stritch and manzello (an alto and tenor he tweaked out to match a vision he had in a dream) and maintain melodic lines on the tenor, like he's playing the accompanying chords underneath the melodic lines.

But, as far as tenor players go, he's one of my favorites; he's very limber in terms of switching from gorgeous & subtle to ball's-out circular-breathing bombast, and his appreciation for the history of jazz and music in general really comes through in his compositions & improvisation.

Plus, he's probably (mmmm okay definitely) my favorite flautist evah; his style is very vocal and lyrical and about as intense as flute-playing gets. Of course then sometimes he plays it with his nose (see: "One Ton").

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"One Ton", fuck yes

Also "Black Root", one powerful riff with a psychotic breakdown in the middle. The album it's from, "Natural Black Inventions, Root Strata" is a good one to start with if you're looking for odd, bordering on Residential.

jl (Jon L), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

What album is "The Inflated Tear" on? I take it it's not one of the Mercury ones?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"The Inflated Tear" is on the LP "The Inflated Tear".

I read somewhere that many horn players were wary to play with RRK because he was such a showman and really got into cutting people on the bandstand with his solos.

earlnash, Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

After The Inflated Tear, what should I buy next? (Cuz I already have an love that one, especially, "Creole Love Call" and "Handful of Fives" or something, damn, I know what I'm doing tonight!)

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember reading an interview with a jazz producer in an old issue of Downbeat where he claimed that RRK was something of a charlatan, that he didn't know how to lead his band etc. etc. I am agnostic on this point but I think at the time (1970) he was somewhat controversial in the world of jazz.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Roland would do lotsa wacky stuff like copping people's riffs and runs on the spot (even stuff they had just come up with!) as well as often reach over and finger the other player's keys (not a small feat for a BLIND guy).

There's this one Mingus album where Roland and I think Hamiett Bluett are both blowing at the same time and keying each other's saxes, I wish I could remember which one it was. :(

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Which albums are the least bluesy and least flute dominated?

Al Andalous, Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got that Montreaux jazz fest vid under the name I Eye Aye or something like that; the cd came out under the same name (it's fantastic of course, his double flute playing is so cool it's silly).

Props for two of his lesser known works: on Roy Hayne's 'Out of the Afternoon', he's playing totally straight-ahead music that should really convince anyone who thinks he's too gimmicky. When he does pull out the three horns at once, it's so smooth that you just think "oh yeah, harmonies, horn section" before remembering that it's him.

The Case of the 3-Sided Dream in Audio Color is a pretty fun if non-definitive RRK record. I think it's post-stroke, so no triple horn action, but that makes it even more amazing that he sounds that good on sax and trumpet. It's got a lot of r&b guys on it and a young Steve Gadd, and it's basically a funk record with fucked up tape collage interludes. There's also a great dirty blues version of The Entertainer and a version of Bye Bye Blackbird where he does imitations of 50s Coltrane on sax and then Miles on trumpet.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Roland would do lotsa wacky stuff like copping people's riffs and runs on the spot (even stuff they had just come up with!)

B-b-but all good jazz musicians do (or did) this!

Al: I would say the Roy Haynes album that I mentioned above, but then I'm no expert on RRK's discography. I think I'm going to go home and listen to We Three Kings though.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

ive been edumucated!

kephm, Thursday, 7 August 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio, you would love Kirk. Trust me on this.

J (Jay), Thursday, 7 August 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the sleevenotes on 'Inflated Tear', where Rahsaan talks about how after his death he wants people to smoke his ashes!

Kirk's playing on 'Oh Yeah' by Mingus - proof he wasn't a charlatan.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 8 August 2003 07:00 (twenty-two years ago)

that pic is telling me: 'I can't do much with one saxophone so I'll blow through a bunch of 'em at the same time for you'.

This is SO wrong, in fact Roland was great at everything he chose to blow into and great whether he was using mouth or his nose, haha. I hate flutes in jazz generally but I make an exception in RRK's case. The main problem with RRK is that, a bit like Jimi Hendrix, the musicians he played with were rarely as good as he was and some of his bands were a bit pedestrian. But when he played with GOOD musicians he was even better, check out "Rip Rig and Panic", Elvin Jones drums up a storm on that album. Another problem might be that recorded TOO many albums.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 8 August 2003 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

(um, it would've been Kirk's 67th birthday yeasterday, wouldn't it?)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been out on holiday - but i did honor Kirk last week with the playing of the entirety of my collection: The Complete Mercury... Box, Dog Years in the Fourth Ring (which includes Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata), Rip, Rig and Panic/Now Please Don't You Cry Beautiful Edith and Simmer, Reduce, Garnish and Serve.

Now, i didn't personally listen to every note (as i did step outside from time to time), but since i feel that music lives beyond the proverbial tree falling in the forest, letting play aloud just might be enough.

It's true; there has never been a better flute -- But he's also a saxophonist extraordinaire; best since Pres.

Not a great leader? His rule was absolute! I think he gave everybody opportunity to strut - as long as you could keep your chops grooving. I'm remembering an early outing he did with Jack McDuff working through a younger version of You Did It, You Did It where Kirk totally steamrolled McDuff out of the way after he hit the same pedestrian riff one-two-many times.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Mingus at Carnegie Hall, Roland Kirk's solo on the second of two tracks is eternal, he manages to reference every other player's solos on the bandstand (esp the other sax George Adams), then the whole history of jazz up to 1974, then some circular breathing. It's breathtaking. Hamiett Bluiett shines on this disc, too.

And for the love of God, for those of you who haven't dipped into Rip, Rig and Panic/Now Please Don't You Cry, Beautiful Edith go directly to the store.

scott m (mcd), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"Rip, Rig and Panic/Now Please Don't You Cry, Beautiful Edith" is one of my favourite jazz CDs

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 14 August 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
More love for Rip, Rig and Panic, easily one of the most fun records ever. That's a hell of a band he's got there, I think I could listen to Jaki Byard fooling around for hours. Little bit put off by The Case of the 3-Sided Dream in Audio Color on first listen though. A huge variety of delights, but all of them seemingly made of cheese.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 4 April 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)

Anyhow, please continue to search and destroy.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 4 April 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

rr&p contains arguably the firds interpolation of found sound (a glass shattering) in popular music!

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Monday, 4 April 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I keep noticing that and thinking of Pere Ubu.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 4 April 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

Collectables released the two-fer Inflated Tear / Natural Black Inventions: Roots Strata last year on one CD, and it's amazing and cheap.
In mid-April, they're putting out another two-fer with Kirkatron / Boogie Woogie String Along For Real on one CD. Anyone have an opinion of these two albums?

Jonathan (Jonathan), Monday, 4 April 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

Dadaismus OTM comparing RRK to Hendrix (with whom he jammed a few times!) In the sense that Hendrix's onstage gimmick of playing guitar with his teeth & crotch was as much a visual gimmick as Kirk's multi-horn or circular breathing gymnastics. Made it easier for tin-eared folks w/no sense of humour to dismiss 'em. More love for that "Rip.../...Edith" 2-fer, if it can still be found. The Man Who Cried Fire is good but kind of a grab bag, with a gimmick for each track. (Kirk plays three horns at once! Kirk plays through a trumpet with saxophone mouthpiece attached! Kirk sings throught the flute! Etc.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 4 April 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

search: Bright Moments. also that video that Mark talks about upthread is great, the coke sniffing part is funny.

Amon (eman), Monday, 4 April 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
After spending years on the 'want list', I finally got Inflated Tear (on the two-fer) and listened to it last night. Um, how can I put this...OMGWTF?!?!? This record is such a breath of fresh air.

And speaking of breath, the one tenor solo where does the circular breathing thing and doesn't take a breath for two or three choruses knocked me out unlike anything I've heard in a long time.

Keith C (kcraw916), Friday, 29 April 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

That album has been on my want list for about 8 years.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 29 April 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

oops hit submit accidentally. I was just going to add that Rip Rig and Panic is want of my favorite jazz albums and one of the jazz albums I listen to most often.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 29 April 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Really? Inflated Tear is probably my least favourite of the 7 or 8 Kirk albums I own. I haven't listened to it in a long time, but I remember it being pretty dull (well, 'straight forward' is probably what I thought) compared to most of his Atlantic LPs.

Vic Funk, Friday, 29 April 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

Whoa - just listened to RRK for the first time today and he's adeptly scratching my itch for Mingus-meets-Art-Ensemble sounds. So far I've gone through "We Free Kings", "Blacknuss" and "Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata" and each has been even better than the last; "The Inflated Tear" is up next. "Rip Rig and Panic" doesn't seem to be on Spotify, alas.

seandalai, Monday, 6 December 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago)

You should listen to "Prepare Thyself to Deal With a Miracle"

silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago)

Will do!

seandalai, Monday, 6 December 2010 19:22 (fourteen years ago)

Volunteered Slavery is the best one

goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago)

early (pre-Rahsaan) stuff is pretty good, standard post-bop

goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago)

I always lol about the Sun Ra anecdote: "he got my name backwards!"

goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago)

Bright Moments also really good

goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUYtlMuN_V4&feature=related

goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHE6AL3BEYQ&feature=related

goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SD6tYyrjSQ&feature=related

goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Liy6TQ8FLR4

goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago)

Bright Moments also really good

I saw this thread title and came to post this! What a record. Prob my fave all-around Rahsaan.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 6 December 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago)


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