'Purism Is Fascism'

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This was said on another thread, in response to notions that a particular musical genre/term had been watered down or hybridised or changed over time (for the worse)...

well ?

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Thursday, 7 August 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, power before everything and all, but fascism can be pretty eclectic itself, so expect ... one of these threads.

nestmanso (nestmanso), Thursday, 7 August 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

A less extreme wording: "Purism is literally no fun at all, unless you're a total jerk."

Ess, Thursday, 7 August 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

This is one for Boyd Rice or Douglas P.

Stephen Boyle (SBoyle), Friday, 8 August 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, I wasn't expecting an entire thread dedicated to that remark!

I would explain what I meant by that but I'm much more interested in seeing how people interpreted that statement.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 August 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry Dan, i WILL get to it - just too much to do at work at the moment...shouldn't even be checking this!

(i am uncomfortable with the equation, i think - strikes me as one of those 'necessary but not sufficient' deals - and the messy discrepancies between
theory/practice
& 'logic' vs. psychology
& personal vs social context
take some working out

(haha Ess you are right - but sometimes 'fun' is not enough...)

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Friday, 8 August 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Simon Reynolds wrote a long but fascinating essay about techno purists bitching about the lack of "purity" in the modern techno music.
The main focus of the essay was "Eclecticism"; but Reynolds made a bunch of very interesting (in the Chinese Curse sense of the word) points about how "lack of purity in a genre" complaints eventually start sounding like 'eugenics'...
never mind. I think he can articulate it better than I. Hold on a sec while I search for the essay.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Aha! Here it is
and here's the bit I was talking about:

Why is "purist" such a potent insult? I think it relates to the word's etymological echoes (puritanism, and its related tropes of squeamishness, prudishness, and closemindedness) and its semantic traces from other, genuinely reprehensible bodies of thought: eugenics, racial purity, cultural hygiene. "Impurist" music, or what in an earlier age they called "fusion", allies itself with a more virtuous bunch of concepts: multiculturalism, miscegenation, cosmopolitanism. It's especially heartwarming to ally yourself with words like these right now, when European politics is muddied by upsurges of ethnic anxiety about pollution and mixture: Le Pen, Haider, and similar ultra-nationalist figures in Belgium, Rumania, and Norway; racial attacks on migrant workers, asylum seekers, immigrants. While British neo-fascist parties have declined in recent years, the UK's general population remains deeply divided over issues of multiculturalism and European unity; there was a storm of outrage when a Government-funded independent report on multiculturalism declared that the concept of "Britishness" was latently racist owing to its imperial echoes.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

SR's take on this whole question is one of his greatest strengths. One of the main attractions of purism is just how harsh it is - "Morbid Angel's first album and the demos were good, after that they sold out" - I think the central appeal of purism is that its silent promise to its adherent is I will keep you young forever

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 8 August 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, I actually read something insightful on ILM. Good job mr. Darnielle.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Friday, 8 August 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

its silent promise to its adherent is I will keep you young forever

This is very menacing!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 8 August 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that it's important to disavow the quality or importance of any acts work except for the first stuff it puts out. Except for those bands that get better with age or consistantly put out good stuff.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Friday, 8 August 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)


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