The Perfect Drone: Search and Destroy

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Started in response to Clarke's question on another thread - what are your favourite drone albs? What makes a good drone, or a bad one - lack of variety, tempo, ability to irritate others? What are the ideal listening conditions for drone music? Can you/should you mix drones with tunes?

Or do you find the whole 'genre' unspeakable?

Andrew L, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Will.... not.... post... must... hire.... amps... for... tour...

Kate the Saint, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I tend to dislike drones in a 'drone-rock' context, because the guitar isn't my favourite medium for them and also because most of the drones in 'drone-rock' are basically just slow, FX-ridden riffs (from my tiny musical knowledge) i.e. they aren't LONG ENOUGH.

My favourites:

Charlemagne Palestine's golden-ratio drones on Five Manifestations

That Haino album which is all drone - So, Black Is Myself? - I really need a copy of that.

The harmonium drones on Jim O'Rourke's Happy End are very nice too.

This thread makes me want to go down Rough Trade, alas I am in Oxford and have not much spare cash.

Tom, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like "In C" by Terry Riley. Does that make me some kind of new age hippy?

duane, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nah, Duane - think Riley's 'Rainbow in Curved Air' is the hippy choice.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A good drone? I do actually find it difficult to describe what is a good drone -For the answer I must direct you to the 5th track on Bardo Pond's Set and Setting album as a very gorgeous drone, also I've recently acquired a copy of Skullflower's 'carved into Roses' and that seemed to have a few drones that were excelent, Spacemen 3's live version of How Does it Feel is another favourite. Other examples would be Steve Reich's Music for 18 musicians, Terry Riley (in the 'classical world').

Finally, a lot of Indian Classical music (of which I hear on Radio 3' late Junction). Someday I might get enough cash to check that out.

Julio Desouza, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

tom's choices but I would include all haino hurdy gurdy stuff and nijiumo records

francesco, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tony Conrad - May

Alasdair, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is Nijiumu drone? I always think of it as being fairly poppy by his standards...

Tom, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Scratch that I was thinking of Vajra. He's worse than bloody Stephin Merritt.

Tom, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Funny, I don't think of "In C" or "Music for 18 Musicians" as drone music. Two much percussion, stop/start business, not enough long, extended tones.

The quality I look for in drone is, for lack of a better word, "complexity." I like extended tones with a lot going on, layers of sound where you can focus on this or that part for minutes at the time or just let the whole thing wash over you. Minimal drones like "Music on a Long Thin Wire" don't do as much for me for this reason. I like playing drone music really loud while I'm reading. Then I can raise my head for a moment or two and focus intently on a small part of the music before going back to the text.

Windy & Carl make pretty, soothing drone music (some might call it New Age) that sounds great at volume. Antartica is probably my favorite by them. I also dig the Stars of the Lid _Music for Nitrious Oxide_, where guitar drones are mixed with weird bits from Texas radio, giving the flavor of an intercepted transmission. For more abrasive, unsettling drones I like the C-Schulz & Hajsch album that came out on Sonig last year -- someone mentioned the harmonium, which is used heavily on that record, something about that instrument is so visual, like sound transformed into light.

I haven't heard Lazer Guided Melodies in a while, but would you really call that drone music? Compared to EAR?

Mark, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tones For DJs.

emil.y, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm so disappointed in you people. I thought surely a Morrissey hater amongst you would say "Kill Uncle" or "Vauxhall And I" or something.

As I mentioned in a recent thread, I really like the "Storm Of/ Throne Of/Swarm Of Drones" collections for drowining out the sounds of air-conditioners and refrigerators and people talking in the next room.

X. Y. Zedd, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One drone that always sends chills up my spine is the last track off Labradford's first album. It's vast, yet undulating, not static at all; the phrase "a drone that washes over you" seems tailor-made to describe this song.

Also, let's not forget "Augmn" off Can's 'Tago Mago.' I guess it's not really a drone all the way through, but it's definitely got those qualities. It goes without saying almost, but what Czukay did production-wise with such limited resources is always a source of amazement for me.

I love drones. And I agree with Tom to some extent, that guitar- based drones are often too short--and, may I add, they are often not droney enough. I do, however, like well-done guitar-based drones (like the aforementioned Labradford one, although surely there's some Moog in there).

Clarke B., Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, I was going to mention Tony Conrad, but Alasdair beat me to it. Long, sustained violin bowing on the same note. Hearing the note change (after about 20 minutes of the same note) is a remarkable thing to witness. I only listened to him once (lying on my bed) - it was one of the CDs from that Table of the Elements boxset; I forget the name. It was an ensemble piece - when the note shifted, I felt like I was lifted off the bed. Amazing stuff.

I can't see "drone music" like this as being fitting background noise - it's too distracting (even though it stays constant - actually, the reason it's distracting is because of its constancy). I'm all for mixing drones with songs - when done effectively, it sounds great. (Can't think of any examples off hand, though.)

David Raposa, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Panzer Division Marduk" and Corrupted

Kris, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Stuart Dempster, Underground Overlays from the Cistern Chapel.

Josh, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pauline Oliveros and Reynols -these are probably the names that iwould put in a drone music( if not that " sustained tones music") personal chart this summer . and Janek Schaefer "above buildings" (just great)

francesco, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

for straight hardcore drone-minimalism:

la monte young & the theatre of eternal music brass band - the second dream of the high-tension stepdown transformer from the four dreams of china. eight trumpets. four carefully chosen alternate-tuned pitches that fade and overlap and glisten and buzz.

alan licht - "polarity". for an example of how guitars can be used to generate real sustained atmospheric drones, though the delay ticking can become irritating.

for a little more on top:

early theatre of eternal music recordings of pieces like "early tuesday morning blues," "the over day," "the fire is a mirror," etc. a sustained drone with fluttery saxes and sometimes drums improvising from a limited pitch range, which gives a drone-like effect as well.

charlemagne palestine & pan sonic - mort aux vaches. a slowly creepily building resonant drone. gradually clicks and scrapes begin raining down.

(obviously, any indian classical music provides a good example of what can be done when incorporating a drone into melodically and rhytmically intricate climactic music.)

i was disappointed by the day of the niagara, the official eternal music release. while i usually like or don't mind lo-fi sound, on this recording the resonances resulting from the tuning, which make the piece interesting, were just about inaudible. none of the performances came out clearly, which made the entire recording fairly indistinct and samey.

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The last 50 seconds of the Slint EP, but largely for the song which precedes it. The whomping noise on Doomsnight. The noise my LP player makes when I don't spin any records but just turn the volume waaaay up. The fifteen minute track by I forget who called "Geo" on the end of the Darla 6 comp which just builds one overtone at a time. Joy Division's cover of Sister Ray. Track 6 of the Scarnella album.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Faust...."Ravivindo" is one huge distorted drone fest and I like the album Tony Conrad and faust did too. And I can confirm Duane is a new age hippy.

David, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Earth records on Sub Pop yet...

In addition to the other La Monte Young pieces listed above (really, does anyone do it better?), I'd suggest the long outta print (thank you Napster) "Black Album." 25 minutes of him and his wife Marian ZIforgetherlastnameforgiveme on vocal drone (at times reminding me oddly of Eye from the Boredoms) and then 25 minutes or so of bowed gong. The voice piece works really well for early in the morning, the gongs late at night.

Jess, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Also, the work of Arnold Dreyblatt, who I've not heard, but is spoken highly of...any opinions?

The "officiality" of Day of Niagara is hotly contested as most know; I will be a very happy boy if Young ever gets off his ass and releases the mountain of tapes he's supposedly sitting on.

Jess, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i heard a little bit of dreyblatt and was unimpressed. the pieces seemed to end before they achieved anything. they also did not seem very satisfying sonically, fairly plinky-plonky. but he might have some good stuff.

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i heard some earth a couple of weeks ago and liked it.

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Miles Davis, "He Loved Him Madly," from Get Up with It, 1974

M. Matos, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hell yeah, isn't 'Ravvivando' great? I picked it up used (weird find!) a few weeks ago, and it's great to stare at the walls to. Awesome production, too! Damn, those guys must be pretty old by now...

Also, Jess, it's Marian Zazeela, by the way.

Clarke B., Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Loads of great picks already, glad I started this thread. Just want to add a few bits and pieces that haven't been mentioned yet.

Phil Niblock - poss. my fave droner, unusual choice of instrumental sounds, deep bass rumblings, best played at cop-fucking volume. His new alb on Touch has a great piece derived from Jim O'Rourke's Hurdy-Gurdy playing.

Arnold Dreyblatt - not pure drone maybe - although his 'The Sound of One String' retrospective on Table of the Elements is pretty minimal - but very unique sound. Think Spacemen 3 fans would really dig the 'Nodal Excitation' disc that came out on Dexter's Cigar a few years back, and his 'Animal Magnetism' rec on Tzadik is beautifully recorded small orchestra stuff. Would love to hear his music played live and loud to get full effect of unusual tunings, sonorities etc.

Henry Flynt - 'Celestial Power'. Finally available on CD. Flynt a fiddle player and Fluxus fellow traveller who sounds like a hillbilly Tony Conrad.

Folke Rabe - 'What??' Also released on Dexter's Cigar a few years ago, awesome Swedish electronic drone music. Another one for the Spacemen fans, 'cos it sounds just like E.A.R., only recorded in 1970!

Richard Youngs - 'Advent'. It's Youngs week on ILM! His first solo alb, v. simple, noisy and nasty dronerock played on piano, guitar, and a Conrad-like oboe.

'Triangles' - new alb on Moikai. Great mixture of glitchy electronics, Gunter-like silences and long drone passages. A bit of a find.

Voice as drone - Steve Reich's 'Come Out' and 'It's Gonna Rain' (collected on 'Early Works' CD), Alvin Lucier's 'I am Sitting in a Room' (one phrase that slowly transforms into abstract sound), Robert Ashley's 'Automatic Writing', big fave w/Nurse With Wound.

Any of Thomas Koner's solo recs are gd; first Town and Country alb includes some v. nice Feldman-esque droney drifts, a bit like Godspeed!; my Haino picks wld be Fushitsusha's 'The Wisdom Prepared' (72 minute single track that covers pretty much all the bases) and his solo alb 'I Said, This is the Son of Nihilism' on TOE; David Grubbs' 'Apertura' collab w/Mats Gustaffson and O'Rouke's 'Remove the Need', and of course anything by the world's greatest live performer, Charlemagne Palestine.

Finally, want to put in a good word for 'Days of Niagra'. OK, the sound is horrible, loads of tape glitches that really spoil the mood, no real seperation of instruments, the vocals are basically inaudible - but wot a glorious noise!! When it first cranks up it's like Merzbow or something, and pretty much stays like that for the next 30 minutes or so. Always does the trick with non-drone loving pals - "turn this shite off" etc. Anybody heard the Cale archive stuff on TOE yet? Plus there's that amazing Young drone on the OHM box set, which still blows my mind every time I hear it.

Andrew L, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

for drift-study-like stuff that i find more interesting to listen to (because it has shape and variety), i highly recommend disc 1 of ryoji ikeda's matrix.

i would still rather listen to metal machine music than day of the niagara.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the cale release (sun blindness music) on t.o.t.e is really nice, but you kind of have to be into the whole conrad/young/maclise scene to really dig it, i would imagine. first track is about 40 minutes of fux0red vox organ that builds to an incredible, discordant peak that makes my eardrums want to leave my head. in a good sense. there's a guitar piece that is essentially one chord for 10 minutes that is impressive in it's, eh, endurance if nothing else. and the final piece is more vox organ, but shorter, more abstract and less recognizable as such.

in re: charlemagne palestine, i don't find anything by him terribly impressive except for "karenina" and the third, title track on _alloy_, which has an ensemble cast (including tony conrad) working on a massive, primordial drone/clang thing.

definitely, search whatever your equivalent of napster is for the la monte young early stuff, particularly the black album. which needs to be bootlegged, soonest.

other simple drones i dig: alan lamb's _primal image_ - recordings of wind vibrating power lines.

reynols/pauline oliveros - outstanding, makes the rest of the reynols oeuvre seem kind of ridiculous.

scorces (s/t) on wholly other - christina of charalambides (no mean droners themselves lately) and heather of ash castles doing drones on chord organ, bells and voice. impressively intuitive, scary.

takehisa kosugi _catch-wave_ - $30 reissue of a 1970s LP. one side is voice, the other is drone violin played through lots of filters, echo, etc. very 'cosmic' (maaaan), sort of terry riley quality, too. excellent. i'll trade tapes of it with anyone who wants it and doesn't want to lay down that much cash.

from a more noisy perspective, it's almost impossible to go wrong with birchville cat motel (siberian earth curve), ashtray navigations (tristes tropiques, the black clock), or vibracathedral orchestra (my gate is open tremble by my side, versatile arab chord chart).

one night, on my radio show, i layered kevin drumm's _comedy_, paul panhuysen's _partitas for long strings_, tony conrad and alexandra gelencser's live 10", and jim sauter/don dietrich's _bells together_ and tuned them together. i wish i had taped it. i was almost crying with joy at the beauty of it all. 'cause i'm such a nerd.

your null fame, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm obviously a bit late in spotting this thread. All I can add to the many fine examples above:

Jean-Francois Laporte's "Mantra" (Metamkine). It's the joyous sound of a skating rink's cooling compressor. For 21 minutes.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
thread revival! tom, what's this "happy end" of which you speak?

my suggestions: jim o'rourke's "a 1,2,3,4", the live version of "do you know how to waltz?" on low's "one more reason to forget".

toby (tsg20), Monday, 19 August 2002 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)

plus the track that's on the the vinyl version of SAWII but not the CD, which i guess is known as 'stone in focus'.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 06:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom means 'Happy Days', on Revenant.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 07:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom means 'Happy Days', on Revenant.

ha, i found a review of that last night which claimed it was mostly just unlistenable static. guess i'll give it a go though.

more suggestions, people!

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 07:54 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
Looks like a good one to revive.........

I've been ona bit of a drone kick during the past few months, and there are some things I find particulaRLY pleasing, though I'm not sure I can say why, or what makes good v. bad drone...

Deep Listening Band w/ Pauline Oliveros
Maeror Tri
Troum
some of the Birchville Cat Motel stuff is great drone
Acid Mothers temple has some great drone pieces, especially their version of Riley's 'In C', and 'La Novia'
some of the longer Tower Recordings pieces hit droneland

ditto most of the above, especially Bardo Pond, Skullflower, Earth {and Sunn o)))}

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Monday, 29 September 2003 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Bardo Pond - Two Planes
FSA - Rainstorm Blues
Knifestorm - Funeral Music

Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe not the right sort of drone, but the opening layered guitar sound tat kicks off Unwound's 'Leaves Turn Inside You' is beyond lush.

mei (mei), Monday, 29 September 2003 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

tat that

mei (mei), Monday, 29 September 2003 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm.... how did I miss this thread the first time?

Adding in a couple of others:

Stars Of The Lid - Avec Laudenum
Harmony Rockets - Paralyzed Mind of the Archangel Void

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 29 September 2003 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

earth 2
sunn0)))-flight of the behemoth

sean marvin (williamtell), Monday, 29 September 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont really know much on the subject, the coil's Time Machines project really does it for me, on the drone side of things

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 29 September 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

adding Charlambides and Six Organs of Admittance (in case they hadn't been mentioned before). Also, the solo Kawabata Makoto things have some interesting drones on sarangi & guitar.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Monday, 29 September 2003 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

rafael toral - anything; thomas koner anything.
papua new guinean flute music the flutes are 6 ft long the ladies not permitted sight of them vvwwoooooooovvvvvwwwwoooooooovwwwooooooooooooovvvvvvvvvvwwwoooooooooo
vwwwwooooooooooooovvvwwwwwwooooooovwwwwwwwooooooooooo.
haino's hiurdy gurdy man schtick.
earth 2 i say YAY!
xenakis persepolis.
ENYA

bob snoom, Thursday, 2 October 2003 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I was drinking Armagnac and listening to Steffen Basho Junghans' 'Waters In Azure' last night. Not his best record, but even so, it's got some seriously gorgeous stuff on it. Sort of like Hans Reichel trying to play Steve Reich or something - long meditative acoustic guitar pieces based around shifting rhythmic pulses of resonant, buzzing notes. You can tell that guy is just totally lost in the music while he's playing, and if you follow him in, it's pretty special.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 2 October 2003 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Pulp - "This is Hardcore" end of CD?

Or am I a hopeless amateur here?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 2 October 2003 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

No-one's mentioned Nico, who has the drone thing going musically AND vocally (i'm thinking here of Marble Index/ Desertshore/ The End of course). But then Nico never gets enough credit - is it because she is female? Or German? Or a junkie?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 2 October 2003 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

bcz she doesn't have any tunes man!!!

ILM (jdesouza), Thursday, 2 October 2003 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Get outta here Julio, who needs tunes? And, anyway, she does have tunes

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 2 October 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm on my ILM 'disguise' keith.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 2 October 2003 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh right, OK:

Get outta here ILM, who needs tunes? And, anyway, she does have tunes

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 2 October 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Alvin Lucier, Music On A Long Thin Wire.
Godflesh, "Love, Hate (Slugbaiting)" and "Pure II" from the Pure CD.
Keiji Haino, Abandon all words at a stroke, so that prayer can come spilling out.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 2 October 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

"ecstasy in slow motion" is pretty good as drones go.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 2 October 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I was drinking Armagnac and listening to Steffen Basho Junghans' 'Waters In Azure' last night.

strange, i was drinking pepsi and listening to robbie basho last night. we should hang out!!!

your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 2 October 2003 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
who needs tunes?
OTM!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

five years pass...

Anyone have the new Roots of Drone compilation yet? It's the most whacked-out mixtape you'll ever hear. It's been available as MP3's since last year but they're releasing it on CD too.

Frozen_Warnings, Monday, 12 March 2012 17:52 (thirteen years ago)

i've been enjoying this comp from '95 lately:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Throne-Of-Drones/release/173049

althea and (donna rouge), Monday, 12 March 2012 18:14 (thirteen years ago)

all those Asphodel comps are great, there's at least three.

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Monday, 12 March 2012 18:14 (thirteen years ago)

Thanks for the heads up on the compilation, just pre-ordered it, here's a lovely mysterious drone piece from the Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQlsT0-SZZE

phuturephase, Monday, 12 March 2012 18:29 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...

Stuart Dempster, Underground Overlays from the Cistern Chapel.
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