innovations in dance music aka who did it first?

got a feeling it's Big Daddy Kane or EPMD but no idea really

are 'Acid Trax', 'Machines' or DJ Pierre's 'Dream Girl' squelchy enough? how about something off 808 State's 'Newbuild'?

almost certainly Rob Base & Dj EZ Rock's 'It Takes Two' as this sampled Lyn Collins' 'Think' in depth

Walter Gibbons, Salsoul track whose name escapes me... unless that doesn't count cos it's not "electronic"...

i personally can't think of any from the early 80s so i'll suggest Coldcut's mix of 'Paid In Full' tho there would have been a lot of others at that point

On Funky Drummer, I'm gonna say PE, Bring the Noise.

we have arriveds industrial strength release ran out pretty quick and it got reissued on R&S in early92, with some other tracks that are far far better than the middling we have arrived. Illuminated is a far better track, as is the arctic assault of Energy Tanks on the same 12

here is a pic

http://www.norfolkwindmills.com/images/pcp.jpg

i have all these tracks on slsk if anyone interested (thanks to michael jones for mp3ing the vinyl for me)

DJ Pierre produced Acid Trax. And pretty much every history gives him credit for invented the acid sound by accident while turning the knobs on the 303 up to 11.

Nevertheless, Pierre et al are the ones who discovered the sound. They had a raw version of the track and came to MJ afterwards for help with the mixing.

(I'm getting this from Last Night A DJ Saved My Life--suprisingly good book--right now, but Pierre's the one I always see get the credit elsewhere too.)

Pierre was not the first, but he was the one who had the hit record.

Tom Moulton is certainly right up there; his first established remix was BT Express's "Do It Til You're Satisfied" in 1974.

Can I add a question to the list? This is something I've always wondered about: the origins of the low filter sweep thing. I first heard it on Daft Punk's "Musique," though I think Armand Van Helden's "Funk Phenomenon" precedes that. Anyone know?

can't think of any use of this before '95, presume the 303 style 'Cutoff' function only became a standard of digital and emu-analogue synths from '96?

That's fine, but "Casio FZ-1" or "Fairlight CMI" isn't exactly the sort of answer I had in mind, so let me rephrase the question:

Which recorded piece of dance music that I could at one time actually purchase (and now possibly download) was the first to incorporate the low filter sweep thing?

[cross-post--good point, vahid, re: your last question]

i'm agnostic - not going to buy into the idea of a technical breakthrough unless someone points out a knob i hadn't seen before.

this board needs a progressive house expert - leftfield were probably right there, too.

nah, it was The Wake

This is a bit off topic I guess but anyway.

1) What's the first house record that had spooky spoken word over the top?

2) First record to have crowd noises on it (a la Oceanic "Insanity")

3) First person to use ragga samples

Also - anyone know what machine makes that metal door slamming sound on Phuture's "Slam" because I love that sound...

Wasn't the first appearance of the 303 squelch Section 25's "Looking from a Hilltop" from the 1984 album "From the Hip", produced, if memory serves, by New Order's Bernard?

The thing that you need to bear in mind is that what separated Acid House from Italio-Disco or early Industrial was the fact that Acid Trax was not a song, it was an an extended 11 minute rhythm track that covered a 12" side and it was designed specifically for a DJ use. Acid Trax is not a song in the traditonal sense, it is a tool.

• Re: ealt 80s proto-acid. There's even a track on one of the early Eurythmics albums ("Paint a Rumour", which is about 1982ish) which appears to use a 303, and definately uses an 808. Of course we could all the way back to 1972/73 and Pink Floyd doing "On the Run"...
• The gabber kicks are actually overdriven 909 kicks! Dunno exactly what the first record to do it was tho. It seems a bit of a slow evolution from the likes of Beligum-stylee "Dominator" tracks to DJ Paul "Code Red" type tracks (On which the 909s aren't actually that overdriven!)
• I was hearing a couple of house tracks using low pass filters as early as 1991/92-ish.
• First record with samples of hip-hop mcs: actually "Pump Up the Volume" sampled quite a few, and I'm pretty sure there must be one or two preceding that.
• First record I heard with a crowd F/X was "Hardcore Uproar" by Together (1989).
• First person to use ragga samples? Well, I'd guess "On a Ragga Tip" by SL/2 is the first big one, but I think Shut Up and Dance also did ragga samples before that, and Rebel MC was also doing ragga stuff by this time, having already mixed ska and house as part of the mini ska-house-acid scene at the end of the 80s!

could you please identify this song for me? it came out around 1983.

thanks.

http://www.djspinelli.com/needs_to_be_identified.mp3

dj spinelli

Acid House is a product of Chicago: In 1985, DJ Pierre did a song that was only dumped to reel to reel, and Ron Hardy began playing it out in the club. People started calling it Ron Hardy's Acid Track. This inspired imitators *on record* - the first to my knowledge is "I've Lost Control" by Sleezy D in 1986 (not to be confused with "No Way Back" by Adonis). Marshall Jefferson brought Pierre into the studio in 1987 to officially record Acid Tracks as a record.

First record with overdriven 808 kicks (aka the gabber sound)?

Gabber happened waaaay after Hip-Hip sustained the 808 kicks. in 1983, Rick Rubin asked Jazzy Jay to show him how to program beats. They toyed with the 808, and Rick wanted as much sustain on the bass as possible on a beat they were working on. They enlisted T La Rock and recorded "It's Yours" that year, pressing up a handful on "Def Jam Records"...but Def Jam was not official and in 1984 Arthur Baker stepped in to rerelease it on Partytime/Streetwise. Jazzy jay introduced Rick to Russell Simmons at the Danceteria and they cut Jay out of the picture to form the offical Def Jam. Russell hired Rick to produce the b-side to the next Run DMC single (Can you Rock it Like This b/w Together Forever), and since Rick was from Long Island, he hung around WBAU where Chuck D had a radio show. Dr. Dre (from MTV raps) hung around there and showed Rick some more techniques, makign Together Forever MASSIVE on the bass. It was recorded in 1984, but held for the 85 release according to the 12" notes, but I suspect that was bullshit.

First record with the "Funky Drummer" loop?

Of course, using breaks as beats is the very definition of Hip-Hop. The first I can think of was Public Enemy's b-side track "Rebel Without a Pause" in 1987 (rereleased in 1988 on the album).

First record with that very hiphouse "ooh! yeah!" sample?

Are we talking about Yello?

First record with a remix done by someone other than the original producer?

King Tubby???

Kraut/Space Rock begat Space Disco begat Italo and Synth Pop which begat Drum Machine/Sample era Hip-Hop and Chicago House which fused with Detroit Electro to form Detroit techno long before the UK Rave scene took these techiniques and made them the pallette for which is seen as the current Electronic Dance Music.

Time stretching as it was used in jungle is an exclusively digital process (modifying sample length without modifying pitch, or vice-versa). Affordable samplers capable of performing this operation weren't widely available until the late 80's.

I'd be curious to hear any examples of Tubby accomplishing this with analog equipment (is it even possible?) as I've never heard anything close to it in dub records.

Are we talking about Yello?

I believe he means the James Brown breakdown in Lyn Collins 'Think'.

(The record that I can think of which uses it most is Dave Clarke's "Red 2" which obviously isn't from detroit, but it's definitely in tons of Saunderson records tho I'm retarded as to which ones right now)