Which Record That Has Come Out In 2003 Will Have The Greatest Negative Impact On Music In 2008?

i'm sure you have already expanded on this elsewhere sir, genuinely interested in a further explanation so if there is one direct me to t please

there'll be EVEN MORE!!!1

one could well ask "what's the point?"..

the kids are mixing emo with nu metal. they've all got spikey or white belts and jogging gear on. neither of these fashions never seem to go away in the last 10 years or so. and in fact, those fashions now seem more mainstreamed than ever.

i've seen the spikey belt in gap... how long til the white belt?

dude, and what's with mullets? that joke was over three years ago and now i'm starting to see them "for real". or is this "Irony 4: Whitetrash Really is Cool"?
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The comment was made without any regard or intention towards Weezer's influence - it means what it means, public (audience) and critical responses, not influence or emulation. Of which I could care less about one way or the other - because I'll be listening to the good shit in 2008 no matter what. Jeah.

I think the argument that only pop radio stuff has major cultural importance is bullshit - there's truth that radio stuff is more likely to have an impact by virtue of the number of people listening to it, but it's insane to say that it's the only thing that really matters, and the only truly influential force. If you think about it, more often than not, what ends up on the radio/mtv/etc is the end of a cycle rather the beginning of one - usually, what ends up on the air is the mainstreamed version of an underground idea. So yeah, I think it's perfectly legitimate to fear a wave of Conor Oberst wannabes on the airwaves in five-ten years time - all of his fans will likely still think of him as being cool later on, whereas it seems more likely that the Evanescence fans might be a little embarassed about having liked them, because they probably won't be considered cool by most anyone a few years from now.

What's to love about it -> It's just bad college bar rock. It's a Hootie song. Chord progression oh so simple, the beat so straight it's totally swayable, ChestnuTT's sexist lyrics bewilderingly offensive and entertaining. (you pushed your WHAT WHERE???)

can someone explain why 5 years is so important?

maybe cos it sounds too much like Audioslave's 'Like A Stone'? (not sure which came first)

Was anyone right? I didn't take the time to re-read the whole thread.

i don't think i was

"but imagine popamerica aligning itself with screamo" seems about right. the Rapture didn't get huge but it could be argued they paved the way for Franz Ferdinand who paved the way for Finger Eleven.

Other than R&B/hip-hop (had been around for ages), Coldplay/Travis (had been around since the late 90s/early 00s) and Avril/Pink and their clones (Avril/Pink had been around since 2002), exactly what was around in 2003 that is still around today?

Your unshakeable faith in your own correctness?

rapture/!!! for the win

Radiohead is still around and relevant.

theyre included under coldplay/travis

Anyway, "Hail To The Thief" didn't actually set the scene on fire, did it?

fair enough - black eyed peas then!
-- nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:12 (4 years ago) Link

For the win:

Maybe it's that Kelly Clarkson album. In five years, the charts and airwaves could be clogged by dozens of albums from American Idol winners and runners up.

the charts and airwaves could be clogged by dozens of albums from American Idol winners and runners up.

rong i think

Even one Daughtry album could clog an airwave.

In the case of Norway, it is easy. For the same reason stated above.

The first Norwegian Idol was in 2003, and it has been all about Idol since then.

Those Norwegian idol records - even though it's a musically pointless concept - aren't any worse than the R&B or hip-hop singles they compete with though. Rather the opposite.

In 2003, the Shins' "Chutes Too Narrow" and Sufjan Stevens' "Michigan" helped open a bold era of Zach-Braff Rock.

Evanescence had a big hit last year!

the charts and airwaves could be clogged by dozens of albums from American Idol winners and runners up.

rong i think

Maybe, but these constitute 10% of the current top 40 albums.

troo

The milemarkers come 2k8 will be the Roots' "The Seed 2.0" and OutKast's "Hey Ya" -- i.e. rock-rap coming from the black side of the coin.

phew?

what proto snap music was big in 03

Chingy- "Right Thurrr"

Gah, I hated "Right Thurr" at the time and still do.

good remix.

My vote? Broken Social Scene.

why do you say that? Canadian huge-band indie rock dates back at least to GYBE. is it just because they were among the first real beneficiaries of Pitchfork Hype?

Yeah, and because covering local rock music, their aesthetic totally took over my college town for quite some time. GYBE was more "post-rock" and, I feel, justified their size through more complex compositions. It made sense for them to have a glockenspiel player or whatever, because they wrote a glockenspiel part. Seeing BSS, it was just, like, yeah, you've got a buncha people all up on stage, dontcha?

Though I think I could make an argument for Sufjan Stevens (the privileging of pretty arrangements over tune-craft, the twee gimmicry) too.

And of course, the problem is that I didn't like either of these bands when they broke, so I think I likely noticed their terrible influence in indie rock much more than precursors. But I think both of them are endemic in the suckage of contemporary indie.

This thread is a nice demonstration of how hard these things are to predict.

This thread is a nice demonstration of how hard these things are to predict.

-- Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 22:48 (Yesterday) Link

It's not just this, but the fact that it takes more than five years for music to have a serious impact. If stuff was coming out today that was quite obviously influenced by something from 2003, it wouldn't make it past the demo tape.

That's not to say that nothing coming out today isn't influenced by music in 2003, I mean the current obsession with Post-Punk and New Wave was probably kicked off back then by the DFA and is, imo, stronger now what with "The Sound Of Silver" and some excellent retrospective compilations coming out. I don't see this as a negative influence though.

The big trends, or at least as I remember them in 2003 included Pop-Dancehall/Bashment, Dancepunk, Grime, Hail To The Thief, and the arse-end of Nu-Metal. Looking back, perhaps it was the first year of the decade where the musical landscape was becoming quite different to that of the 90s.

that phil collins has been given a free pass by the hipster elite for too long!
-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:40 (4 years ago) Link

lol!

The milemarkers come 2k8 will be the Roots' "The Seed 2.0" and OutKast's "Hey Ya" -- i.e. rock-rap coming from the black side of the coin. Suddenly shitty bar bands will realize that all they need is mediocre rapping atop their 12-bar bleh and singles will be made. And with hip-hop so hook-heavy already, I think the progression to organic hooks is a natural (and unfortunate one). (oh -- I really like "The Seed" and "Hey Ya," by the way, but I fear what the wrong hands will do with them)(and why hasn't Lenny Kravitz tried this yet?!?!??!)

-- Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:04 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

This is the closest to OTM I think. Outkast for sure paved the way for Gym Class Heroes, 'No handlebars', Uffie and Kid Sister...

Potential answer - Frank by Amy Winehouse. Start of the process that led to Back To Black, spawning Kate Nash, Adele and making Mark Ronson famous.

haha i was going to say mark ronson's 'here come the fuzz' or whatever it was called.

Yeah we kind of all overlooked Winehouse back in 2003, the idea of her being this ubiquitous five years on never really popped into my head. At a stretch I could have seen her becoming as big as Cullum/Melhua/Tunstall but never an all-pervasive mandatory tabloid Brit cultural figure.

I like that call but Mark Ronson was always gonna be famous, unfortunately.

You liked Ooh Wee, Louis?