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This may have been discussed previously, but the amount of praise continually lavished on the live Cat Power experience confuses me. I saw her a couple years back- she couldn't (or wouldn't) finish a song, her back was turned to the audience, et bleeding cetera. Maybe I'm just old, but does this not seem wrong?

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i have never heard praise of her live experience

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Whattryagonnado?

Modmail, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

what Jim said

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know - I've read some things in the new yorker (and that ain't even including this weeks piece which I pray to fucking god isn't written by ben greenman) that describe her live shows as an 'experience' and not in the same way that watching the detroit tigers or having your dick superglued to your thigh is an 'experience'. fwiw, I always go see her when she plays in town (if it's cheap enough - usually we're talking 3-5 dollars) if only cuz I always have a story to tell the next day (the story is usually 'well, she didn't finish a single song and fifteen minutes in she kicked her shoes off and ran out the club').

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, I kinda think that even when her shows suck, and they do often, they at least suck in an interesting way. And when they don't suck, they're great. Worth seeing if nobody else is playing around town, and the ticket's under $10.

Moss Feaster, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i have an unusual Cat Power story. i saw her perform in chicago 3-4yrs ago and she played every song all the way through, didn't cry once, never turned her back on the audience and had a really cute hair cut

JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

was she solo or did she have a band? cuz she's more 'together' when she's got accompaniment

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

nope. solo

JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

holy moly!

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i guess the question must be asked, is she faking it, or is she actually that unstable? you'd think someone with that much of a natural aversion to performance would learn to stay the hell off the stage.

Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

From everything I've read about her, I don't think she's faking it. I think you can want to perform and be terrified of performing at the same time.

I saw her (with band) in Seattle this year, she played for an hour and a half (45 mins of that was solo, however), and she even used the "f" word* -- which, taken together, shocked the hell out of me.


*fun.

David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

so what's this about the recent issue of the new yorker? a freakish picture of some sort?

call mr. lee (call mr. lee), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: Going to a Bob Dylan show vs. going to a Cat Power show vs. betting on the Royals

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)

haha!

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:16 (twenty-two years ago)

man the Royals magic number will be down to two before I go "ok, maaaybe they can actually win the central"

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i love her records but i'd never even consider seeing her live!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i saw her solo supporting the dirty three a few months back, she didnt finish a lot of songs. it was interesting for a while, but after about 10-15 minutes it got very tiring. and she took a long long time on stage. some of her fans were just really starstruck with her though, they were just smiling at her, even though her musical performance was barely there (just repetative chords on a piano or guitar for a few minutes then shed just stop half way thru the lyrics, and she'd try a different song, with 2 different chords, plodding along, and then shed stop again and then shed talk excitably to the crowd, and then she kept on repeating the phrase "please don't hate me", i think that was what she kept on saying anyway, and so on). thankfully the dirty three gave an incredible performance that night, so it was still a good evening.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 09:37 (twenty-two years ago)

shes done some decent stuff on record though, i liked a lot of moon pix.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

i saw her in frankfurt two months ago and she was appalling. i love her records and have seen her with the dirty three on the moon pix tour and it was mesmerizing. she is touring again with the dirty three, bob? whereabouts?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 10:13 (twenty-two years ago)

there are like four threads with people mentioning catpowernewyorkerhurhurhur now. what?

thom west (thom w), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

When I saw her in Montreal in April, while she wasn't quite "together" (it seemed she had made a return to alcohol after a couple of weeks swearing-off), she was more than together enough to put on a great show. She finished 90% of the songs, but more importantly, she played and sang beautifully. One of the most moving concerts of my life... As with others, there was a section where she played a long number of two-chord piano songs, but I found the effect mesmerising: you'd fall into a certain way of listening, and when she ascended/descended out of that lulling mode, it was like sun parting through bluegrey clouds.

Sean M (Sean M), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

alex, i dont think she toured with them properly this year, cos i saw d3 twice in the uk in may, and she was only in the support slot when i saw them at shepherds bush, and not the other time. i think she would be better with a band, but she played solo that night and it was very tiring as i described. did she have any backup when you saw her? did any of the dirty three play with her?

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I can tell you -- in Rome in mid-May she was playing with a band, and (much to my delight) it was a great show. I was expecting the worst and was very happily surprised. None of the band was a member of Dirty Three.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone explain to me what makes her records so great.

don weiner, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never heard one, but based on the show I saw, she has a fantastic voice -- if the songs on her records are reasonably well-written, I can understand why people would love her, given all the awful, whiny self-absorbed chirping that's out on indies in the sensitive-singer-songwriter arena. But that's only if the songs are good.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

they are. Her voice is specially good and its very (and constantly) fragile. Her records have a nervous energy and moonpix, like bob says, is a v good record.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't say I love any of her records -- they usually stumble and get tedious somewhere within -- but my gosh, the voice. And some of the songs are quite haunting and beautiful.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

the new one gets more chilling the more you listen to it. i like her because she's just so amn personal. ive never heard anyone put themselves into their music so much. there aren't any poses at all. she's just herself. she's the same way in interviews. i hated the show when i saw her, because 80% of the crowd wasn't even paying attention, and in the second set, when she just played solo, i could tell that she was really pouring herself out into the songs, but everyone around me was just chatting it up.

Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

the new one gets more chilling the more you listen to it. i like her because she's just so amn personal. ive never heard anyone put themselves into their music so much. there aren't any poses at all. she's just herself. she's the same way in interviews. i hated the show when i saw her, because 80% of the crowd wasn't even paying attention, and in the second set, when she just played solo, i could tell that she was really pouring herself out into the songs, but everyone around me was just chatting it up.

see theres a problem with being overly personal in songwriting sometimes. i mean the reality of most peoples lives are too boring for other people to have to listen to. i want something i can relate to, and that often requires some acting, some artistry. and i like a good show on stage too. so its ok to be yourself i guess, but on stage you gotta be more than just a normal person, you gotta keep a crowd enraptured. i think with a band she might be able to put on an actual "show", something i can relate to and experience. chan on record is good precisely because its got that artistry, shes clearly created her best records with the intention of other people being able to relate to them, and you can relate to it on a personal level. on stage solo though, she just seemed lost in her own little world, and i got little out of it.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

to me, the fact that someone's laying their emotions bare in front of me is enough of a show. that takes more guts than i could ever muster. i like the experience of knowing a singer really means it when they sing a song. not that they just meant it when they wrote it.

Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd rather listen to Julie Doiron struggle through her stage fright live then Cat Power play hers out as part of the act.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

what makes you think its an act

Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

dont get me wrong im all for artists feeling there own work, its just i want to feel it too, and chan really needs to learn how to use the stage and make the audience feel it if shes gonna play solo live(from my experience of seeing her live anyway). also, an artist bearing their soul isnt really enough for me, i mean im sure that dashboard confessional guy bearing his soul, but i still find it boring. theres gotta be more to it than that.

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/music/?030818crmu_music

WAYWARD GIRL
by HILTON ALS
Cat Power demands attention, then resists it.
Issue of 2003-08-18 and 25
Posted 2003-08-11
Near dusk one evening a few weeks ago, the thirty-one-year-old singer and songwriter Chan Marshall, who performs and records under the name Cat Power, made an appearance with her backup band at Castle Clinton, in Battery Park. Built in 1811, Castle Clinton is a squat red sandstone fort that has been an aquarium, an immigration center, and an opera house, and its history is almost as jumpy as the performance style of Chan Marshall herself. Jumpy and perverse, excruciating, and ultimately beautiful.

It is foolhardy to describe a Cat Power event as a concert. A concert involves the playing of music or songs in some kind of order, with short breaks and maybe a little patter in between. The form works: it allows the entertainer some distance, so that she can perform without becoming too involved in the audience’s response. At Castle Clinton, Marshall reversed that order. The set lasted approximately an hour and ten minutes, during which time she talked to a friend’s baby from the stage; asked no one in particular if the photographer Mark Borthwick was in the house; talked about her friends who had brought the baby; directed a fair amount of bemused antagonism toward a particularly ardent fan; asked someone offstage how many minutes were left in the set; sang a bit of rap from “The Teaches of Peaches,” an album that was an underground hit last summer; smoked a couple of cigarettes; played with her hair; took her large sunglasses on and off; indulged in rambling confessions; and complained about the length of one tune from her current album, “You Are Free,” before singing an abbreviated version of it.

Her backup band did not help matters. Collegiate and smug, her associates—Will Fratesi on drums, Matt Hartman on guitar, and Margaret White on violin, bass guitar, and keyboard—seemed to get off on the star’s aura, but they treated her power ironically, so as not to appear to be what they are: sycophants disguised as musicians. Their smirking, knowing glances in Marshall’s direction didn’t lift her up, spiritually or otherwise, or induce her to act in a manner that the audience could consider generous.

The audience, for its part, was made up largely of young women and their admirers, who hooted or applauded or sat mesmerized as the delay tactics stretched to at least a third of the evening. They seemed to love Marshall as much for the drift of her mind as for the drift of her songs.

Born in Atlanta in 1972, Marshall had a peripatetic childhood, but she considers the South her home. Her father was a blues musician, her mother a hippie. Charlyn (later shortened to Chan and pronounced “Shawn”) Marshall sang with a number of pickup bands in Georgia and elsewhere—“down there,” as she has called it—before moving to New York, eleven years ago. In 1994, a friend invited her to open for Liz Phair. In 1996, she released her first long-playing album on Matador, “What Would the Community Think.” This year’s strange and powerful “You Are Free” is her fourth album for Matador, and her most fully realized work. In between, Marshall produced the extraordinary “The Covers Record” (2000), which features her versions of “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction,” “Sea of Love,” and “Wild Is the Wind.” She still does not have a manager.

On each new album, Marshall has more firmly established her haunting musical persona: that of a Southern belle in bluejeans, a trashed Faulkner heroine whose arias of disillusionment, hope, fantasy, bitterness, and understanding are played out in 4/4 time and in a distinctly American syntax. In “Fool,” a track on “You Are Free,” she describes what Americanness feels like far from home: “Apartment in New York, London and Paris / Where will we rest / we’re all livin’ on top of it / it’s all that we have / the USA is our daily bread / and no one is willing to share it.”

In the decade since Marshall’s début, the female indie singer-songwriters who have survived without benefit of heavy MTV rotation—P. J. Harvey, Tori Amos, Björk—have been European (Amos, an American, did not become widely known until she moved to England, in 1991), and their fan base remains primarily European. While their music is indebted to the American blues vernacular, it also borrows from classical and electronic music. Marshall’s sound, which centers on her voice—wood-smoked and honey-basted, with Dixie-inflected vowels and consonants that trail off like half-forgotten thoughts—is a direct outgrowth of the blues, but not the blues as a declaration of anger and disaffection (as with Benjamin Smoke) or as stripped-down tempo overlaid with poetic fantasies (as with Patti Smith). Marshall doesn’t want to speed up the blues—to make it into rock and roll or anything that it isn’t. It’s as if her soft, sometimes plaintive voice and her simple arrangements—a plodding piano or a gently strummed guitar, sometimes supported by backup vocals—were a version of the production values on all those OKeh records from the twenties. (Marshall’s raw emotions are the scratches on the vinyl.) She’s a white girl sucking the sound of the Delta down her throat. Think of the stark arrangement on Al Green’s classic song “Simply Beautiful” and of Nico intoning “Deutschland Über Alles,” and you’ll have some idea of what Marshall is getting at in the recording studio.

Marshall is a storyteller, and she cares more about how she says something than about what she says. The lyrics of the songs on “You Are Free” are rudimentary—on the page. In “Good Woman,” Marshall sings, “I want to be a good woman / and I want for you to be a good man / this is why I will be leaving / this is why I can’t see you no more.” How far is this from the 1927 song “Backwater Blues”? “Backwater blues done caused me to pack my things and go / ’Cause my house fell down and I can’t live there no mo’.” The intention in both lyrics is the same: a statement of fact trying to remain steady in the face of ambivalence.

As a chronicler of wayward girls in the South, sexually battered but empowered by their sexuality just the same, Marshall finds narrative cohesion in the shards of her female characters’ lives. In “Names,” on “You Are Free,” Marshall sings:

Her name was Naomi
beautiful round face so ashamed
she told me how to please a man
after school in the back of the bus
she was doin’ it every day
she was 11 years old


Rendered in Marshall’s slow, half-whispering voice, Michael Hurley’s “Werewolf” becomes the soundtrack for a horror movie, as Marshall turns the threat of impending love into something as scary and fascinating as pornography. Backed by beautifully arranged strings and a guitar, she sings, “Oh, the werewolf come stepping along / he don’t even break the branches / where he has gone . . . / and the werewolf was crying . . . / how I loved the man / as I teared off his clothes.” This could be Naomi writing a letter from home.

Onstage at Castle Clinton, Marshall was alternately shy and demanding, a solipsist; that is to say, a star. Her triumphs were as engaging as her disasters. Her long, beautiful body perfectly complemented her long, beautiful hair. (“She cut her bangs!” one young female fan exclaimed after the show.) Dressed in jeans and a brown cotton shirt with green stripes, bangles clanking on her wrists, she was at play in the fields of androgyny, impersonating a lonesome cowboy who attracts attention by seeming to spurn it. Here was a girl—“white trash”—who had found her voice in inarticulateness, the American way of speaking, and made it a powerful form of communication. Marshall’s stubborn refusal to be liked seemed to enact the frustration of many American women, who feel they have to be seen in order to be heard.

These various complications may, in the end, minimize Marshall’s audience—and her gifts. But, despite herself, Marshall let her stardom and talent win out. At the close of her set, she grabbed the mike and walked up and down the center aisle like a preacher at a revival meeting, singing, cigarette in hand, Black Sabbath’s “Black Sabbath.” Watching her, you tumbled down a well of longing and hope. Marshall looked as if she had been painted en plein air, a fluid version of Liberty standing guard over the Harbor. Her voice in that song was the blues sound of trouble in mind everywhere.


Venus Glow (1411), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

the blues people, the blues. does anyone remember the blues????
ive been to many shows & own quite a few bootlegs & i've never been let down. if people dont know that she is a bit unconventional at this point in her career then lady if you have to ask...

kephm, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, I do wonder is julie doiron and tara jane o'neil aren't out there going 'maybe if should act schizo too'

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Tara is infinitely better live (and on record) (and &c.) than Cat Power. I love Tara.

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I love TJO to bits, but she always seems pretty closed off when I've seen her live. Not that this makes the performance bad, mind you -- although when she opened for Black Heart Procession and nobody gave a fuck who she was and chattered away, it sorta ruined the mood. (But I have very much warmed up to TJO TKO, which I initially disliked.)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

When I saw her live (13th Note, Glasgow), I was uncomfortable because the venue was so close and hot and dark and she did seem a little taciturn (didn't say much, didn't move much) but the songs and her general mood were quite warm and complete. Everyone just sort of obeyed the music and sat in silent celebration, it was amazing. The quietest gig I ever heard. (Also, analogue delay pedals, analogue delay pedals!!! The only piece of, err, 'kit' that gets me excited. Besides Telecasters. Haha, I shouldn't talk about TJO, I turn into the people I don't want to be. But secretly am.)

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

And she was playing this huge blond guitar, 14 times as big as her torso (an Epiphone?) - it had such a warm sound, like she was playing inside a valve amp.

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Seems like there'd be a chance ... some chance, any chance ... that before I die, I'll attend a Cat Power show, or conduct an interview with Chan for that matter, and have her complete the show without degenerating into rambling shit, headbutting the mic for kicks, having nervous breakdowns or just walking away.

What a flake ... but what an amazing record she just made. A paradox for sure. Very much like the Kansas City Royals!!!

Chris O., Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Darnielle to thread, so Cozen and I don't get lonely here!

(x-post)

I like Hilton Als, but the part where he compares/contrasts Marshall to PJ, Bjork, and Tori is k-sloppy.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd kinda like a comparison of CP to Bjork - because it would be interesting to see someone write a convincing link up because when I look at them I can't really see it. myself. at. all. but I'd like to have someone convince me of their similarity (beyond their sexuality and their shared [perceived] leading-genius status).

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Idiosyncratic voice?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Perceived girlishness?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Cat Power + Bjork combined = 75% of indie boys' wet dreams

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Err, I'm not buying that. Most everyone has an idiosyncratic voice if they're a solo singer songwriter (I'm not even sure Bjork is one of those really) - it's how they get the gig. And I'm taking voice here as the sound that comes out their mouth but also their writing style, tone, prejudices etc. That's not a strong enough pull to make a valid, useful point of comparison.

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

allegedly the accompanying photo in the New Yorker has a glimpse of her pubes at the top of her pants. One handed typists to thread.

don weiner, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i've seen cat power a few times, 1 good (moon pix w/ jim white and some guy who is not in the dirty 3), 1 bad (community - solo), 1 excellent (covers - solo - @ ATP UCLA).

i've seen julie doiron (once w/ 3/4ths of the wooden stars) and TJO (once solo, once with rodan) both did not seem nervous at all. JulieD was very talkative when i bought a CD off her after her show (albeit it was after the show).

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Playboy should do a "Muse" calender. Throw in Jewel & Norah Jones for the sell and they will make a fortune.

V

V (1411), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 02:35 (twenty-two years ago)

If it weren't incredibly distasteful to do so...

Let's hear this diagnosis. No wait! Why don't you diagnose her cynical fans and record label who continue to support this behavior?

V

V (1411), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Holy shit.

That's practically porn.

http://home.earthlink.net/~atticusny/Catpower.JPG

don weiner, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Very Warhol superstar-ish as should be expected, but that ain't even close to porn.

V

V (1411), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

When I opened my New Yorker last night, that pic was SO not what I expected. Even after hearing it was a bit racy. But interesting in the way it creates a whole new image for her. I wonder about the New Yorker readers for whom this'll be their first impression of Cat Power.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

It's as close to porn as non-porn gets. Name another consumer magazine that's NOT porn that shows or has shown pubes like that. You can't. A lot of New Yorker readers are going to shit over that, and I'm pretty sure some will beat off to it.

Actually, I thought it was pretty damn sexy. Especially considering many of her other pictures make her look like she recently crawled out of a wet gutter.

don weiner, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

she needs to trim that shit up.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

ay carumba i didnt even scroll down to the pubes first time, i didnt get what you guys were talking about

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

those aren't pubes, thats a fucking hedgehog.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

So, am I the only one who immediately thought "Oh, it's Lisa from Hate comics fame"?

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

what a bad photo, doesnt even look like her

kephm, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait til you see the Bill Callahan beefcake photos in the next issue!

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

porn? that's pretty fucking tame as compared with, oh, i dunno: maxim, fhm, blender, teen people, the source, ladies home journal, um, porn.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean, compare and contrast: this (ONE) photo with xtina's "all my but my nipples and coochie" set in maxim.

is it just because cat power is supposed to have the veneer of being an "artiste"?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's because pubes are generally verboten in in-front-of-the-counter magazines.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait til you see the Bill Callahan beefcake photos in the next issue!

you just made my week.
m.

msp, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm surprised not because it's racy but because it's unlike any other photos of Chan Marshall I've seen. She looks like a character in a Mike Leigh film.

(Compare with: http://perso.club-internet.fr/lmdp/catpower/images/catpower2.jpg
)

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

gah, that formatted all weird

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Chan Marshall in Welcome Home, Roxy Carmichael!!

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm trying to describe to Allison off the DMB thread (on AIM) what Cat Power is like - I can't think of a famous person to compare her too. And have settled on the hideously off-point: Amos + Dawson's Creek. People, help me.

David. (Cozen), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Tara is infinitely better live (and on record) (and &c.) than Cat Power. I love Tara.

And I love Love Tara.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The last Cat Power interview in The Big Takeover is the most disturbing thing I've read in a music journal.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i think my vague point was (emphasis on: "i think") that female stars of all stripes routinely have their bottoms pulled down (usually between their thumbs) well into the pube zone these days, they just don't usually have any pubes so it's not a worry. i'll admit the actual appearance is a new thing, but the intent is pretty much the same, if the reaction ("ew! real live girls with their human bodies!") might not be (as evidenced by this thread.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the reaction was that it is unusual for an artist associated with an indie label who seems relatively reticent publicity-wise to appear in a major weekly magazine with her pubes revealed to the world. If anything Jess I think more of the responses were pervy than grossed-out.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

But yeah I've never understood why people would be grossed out by women's pubes. But that's another thread, one that I won't be posting to.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I was told that two years ago she left the green room at bottom of the hill in a horrible bloody mess with needles all over the place, so I think that much of her previous bizarre behavior is probably attributable to heroin use. People I know who have been around her lately have said that she's been very nice. I always swear I'll never see her again (although the first show I saw her do, w/ Jim White, was great), I always do, and it's always about 25% great and 75% frustrating. I'll probably not see her again (but I probably will).

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

David, I think Als makes some good points in the article above about the influence of the blues on Cat Power's sound. Also: you must emphasize the starkness/sparseness; James's point about her knowing how to use silence is a good one. Also key maybe to point out that the way she plays guitar isn't all strummy-strummy a la Dawson's Creek, but often slow-picked riffs. I don't know what famous musicians you could compare her to, though: most of these aspects are precisely what make her non-radio-friendly (esp. the starkness).

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Blue-era Joni Mitchell would be a decent reference point.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I came up with Sinead O'Connor + Dusty Springfield + Bill Callahan - Joni Mitchell in the end and am nowhere near happy with it at all but it's AIM, hardly a forum for in-depth cultural critique.

I listened to the album a little today (in between Lumidee and Chungking) and it definitely is a lot more soft-rock than Moon Pix or The Covers Record. I'm not sure I like it. There's not enough space, true. (Key to how she plays guitar = slow picked riffs + circling loops. So maybe TJO is a good comparison. Did anyone say she wasn't?)

David. (Cozen), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

obv. Bill Callahan's influence can not be overstated

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Did Allison know who (Smog) was?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Blue-era Joni Mitchell would be a decent reference point.

I think Joni's overall affect is more literate (one might say precious) and certainly her compositions tend toward jazz sophistication (even in folk arrangements) not minimalist gestures. I wouldn't really put them in the same boat at all.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think it's an entirely bad comparison. Joni's not "minimalist" but she can be sparse in a just-me-and-a-guitar way, esp. on Blue (e.g., the title track). Also, both play piano in addition to guitar.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

That's true. I was overthinking.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I have only heard The Hissing of Summer Lawns and the only comparison point I'm willing to let anyone have here between the two is they both irritate me to the point of being emetic.

I don't think Allison knew who Bill was but she didn't let on, so that's cool. (Allison should totally post more; if you're reading, Allison, you should. D4rni3ll3, back me up!)

David. (Cozen), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

"only point I'm willing to let anyone have" = I dislike them both and don't really know why I need you all to know this so I best be utterly obnoxious about it because then it will seem self-evident why I want you all to know this.

David. (Cozen), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

To tell the truth, I'm not all that familiar with Joni Mitchell's oevre, but I saw part of a documentary about her on PBS a couple nights ago, and they showed a clip of her performing one of the tunes from Blue - and the spare melancholy vibe definitely reminded me of Cat Power.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

FWIW, I'd like Allison to post more, too. (Although maybe that's for the wrong reasons = "Come, let me teach you about music, college girl!")

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I think CP has much more in common w/ Michael Hurley, who she's covered at least two songs by, than w/ Joni Mitchell or Tori fuckin' Amos

The CP pic in the New Yorker is by Richard Avedon - here's to pube power!

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, Avedon luvs the pubes

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, yeah Andrew L, Amos is waaaaay off base and I wasn't even trying to say she wasn't I was just struggling to couch Cat Power in terms someone who has heard of Amos but not Callahan would understand, know?

David. (Cozen), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Blue-era Joni Mitchell would be a decent reference point.

Minus the guitar and singing. JM's a virtuoso (though her voice is now severely damaged by years of smoking). Chan's got about an octave plus a falsetto and is a passable guitarist.

Really this is kinda like saying "Lionel Richie is like Dinu Lipati - they both play piano"

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(Thank you J0hn, and Allison?)

David. (Cozen), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

J0hn is otm about the Joni comparison; it's the space thing again. Even when accompanied by just a piano/guitar, Joni's songs always feel as if there's something else going on - lyrical ambiguity, or complex chordage or whatever. Cat Power's songs are stripped right down. To their pubes.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

David, yeah TOTALLY know, wasn't havin' a pop at you, I just wanted to 'position' CP in a totally diff bag, Hurley's bag, folky-blues singer-songwriter-outsiderdom, old/new weird American Primitivism, instead of the virtuosity/slickness/studio manipulation/polish etc. of a Joni alb or a Tori alb. Actually, I think it wld be great if CP did make a big slick supersesh rec at some point, like when the Fugs went to Elektra or something - and 'Knock Knock' is Smog's best alb.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)


isnt it all happening in her voice anyways? her guitar playing is diy101, powerchords, e & a over n over. piano is the same---
also, not anywhere close but similiar in ways to jandek.. bizzare fandom/worship coupled w/ chan/jandek simple insanity

did chan appear in every magazine in 2003?? wtf?

kephm, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, it's pronounced "SHAWN"?!?!

todd swiss (eliti), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

YES! I know, WTF indeed! So yeah I met her once

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Nice crotch shot of Chan in the new GQ. Also a nice shot of her breasts, which doesn't leave a lot to the imagination.

At least by looking at all these recent publicity stunt shots, I don't have to think about her music.

don weiner, Friday, 26 September 2003 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I love cat power, but that new yorker photo makes her look like a crackhead (pubic hair notwithstanding, I could care less about that). Oh well, whatever floats your boat.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Saturday, 27 September 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)


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