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sorry to dedicate a whole thread to just one song but i'm obsessed with this. the beat is crazy bouncy madness. it has huge anthemic triumphal horns like eye of the tiger, like crunk's release yo delf. the pastor shines brightest. it has these cool understated little xylophone breaks that reference neva scared kinda. at the end the beat goes so insane it spirals out of control into swamp-water drum n bass. seriously. if you havent listened to the south this year, hear this track immediately. or just hear it anyway.

― sean g, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

actually u can use this thread to talk about the david banner record as a whole or just the amazing albums the south has produced this year

― sean g, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i like when pastor troy says 'nigga you know im THE DEVIL!!!'

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

and i pack heavy metal WHAT THE FUCK YOU GON SETTLE

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

what other songs do you like from the album s trife?

― sean g, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

It's insane. I love it when the horns drop out. I just have a crappy mp3, though, and I can't understand a word except "FUCK THEM NIGGAS".

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

When whoever says FUCK THEM NIGGAS he's really barking, like a dog, not a human. That's so good. I think Bonecrusher says it, I think. And I like the 'Put yo' fingers up' (Repeated x4) part. This song is very fast.

I made a post about the CD but it wasn't very good, no one replied.

There are so many good things on it that I've never heard before, that sound totally new, kind of. Like 'Bring It On' with that weird instrument making a melody throughout, that sounds totally blew-out and weird and it's so, so good and he lets a 13 year old kid rap. I like 'What It Do' and 'Like a Pimp.' And the rest is good except what I'll talk about in my next paragraph.

I'm not sure how I feel about the slow, serious ones. 'Cadillac on 22s' sounds kind of like the Madonna song where she's walking in front of a screen and wearing a cowboy hat, but different. Strumming guitar and totally cheap keyboard drum machine, talking about some sad stuff. 'So Trill' might be one, too. 'Mississippi' is the best one of them. 'Bush,' is good too. The cheap drum machine and the sort of soul sounding thing, the back-up singers thing. He says, 'America ain't shit.' And 'My Shawty,' which isn't that sad. But they all kind of have a super-melody thing, I think, and also a rhythm thing-- I don't know anything about how to describe it, but I don't think I've heard it before and it sounds peculiar.

― d k (d k), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

even busta cant ruin the nu much-improved like a pimp remix

lemmeseeyoufoldupyourlegslikeachickenwing

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha i was listening to "like a pimp" while grocery shopping today and realized after it was over i was grimacing the whole time

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Was it playing on the radio in the grocery store?

Why were you grimacing?

― d k (d k), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

it was on my headphones. i was grimacing because i felt like head banging or jumping around or something while it was playing and i guess subconsciously i knew i couldn't in the grocery store without being arrested or at least escorted off the premises - and i really needed that orange soda and parmesean cheese - and so my body was fighting the urge. i like the song.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread inspired me to listen to the album again (skim the album, actually). It sounds really really great, but I feel like it would sound a lot greater if I were, like, from Mississippi! Anyway, I'll see dk's "totally new" and raise him "totally Mississippi"

And Cadillac on 22s is fantastic

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

like a pimp, mississippi, cadillac on 22s... i need to give the whole album i try i usually just listen a few tracks over and over

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

you like all the slow ones trife. so do i.

is "bush" on the album or did i find it somewhere else coz its amazing too?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

damn i love them all.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

also they're all slow almost.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah astonishingly bush is on the album!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Bush is total 70s soul. It sounds awful Curtis Mayfield.. "America ain't nothing but home of the hot lick y'all want to hang us with rope and cut off our dick."

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

curtis was the first musican to dis nixon by name in a song (in 1970!!!), is banner the first mc to call out bush??

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

probably the first to call him a n--- and then make a POINT of saying that he did it.

astoundingly enough the three six mafia album has a "like a pimp" track which is just as good as the banner one. it sounds like too $hort at 50 yrs old.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

and dont tell me rappers havent heard if theres hell below, the sixty-eighth element of hiphop is sampling that intro!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

666s like a pimp kinda sucks but maybe just cuz its right after rainbow colors (which ive fallen back in love with, you were right dk!!!)

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

lets start and money didn't change me have way more of the serious tweaked produduction that i love though... just so *sick*.

but like a pimp has such an irresistable bassline and the bit with "hos pimpin hos".

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The 'Like a Pimp' on the Banner album is based on the same song as the one on the Three Six album. It's a remix of the UGK song. And the 'like a pimp' bit in the Banner song is just a sample of the same song. It samples Pimp C saying 'Like a Pimp' and Three Six remixes the song that the Banner one samples.

― d k (d k), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

this record is amazing.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i liked "like a pimp" when i heard it on mtv in july, but i didn't really expect anything like "cadillacs on 22s"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

talk about songcraft! is the guitar part on "cadillacs" a sample?

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 04:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I love love love "Cadillacs on 22s". That song's been in my head as much as anything this summer. I like the whole record, but that and "Mississippi" and "What It Do" and "Like a Pimp" and "Fuck 'Em" and "Bush"...uh, basically all the things everyone else has said...but anyway, those are all truly hot shit. And the line about "for Mississippi and every place y'all TREAT like Mississippi" is some kinda classic.

― JesseFox (JesseFox), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks dk!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i think this album is somehow the us cousin of boy in da corner but i haven't thought it out properly yet

― sean g, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean, the obvious comparison is that they're both self-produced. maybe banner is a bit more "emo". but also the sonic innovation this year in ukg and bounce i think is driven by these two records more than any other (obviously boy in da corner being the first grime album and somewhat the genre's figurehead is a major difference.)

― sean g, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

also can someone explain the influence of cough syrup and dj screw? why do they like their music so slow?

― sean g, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

rainbow colours by triple 6 sounds like it has actually been slowed down like a screw remix, well the vocals at least. why would they do this when they could just rap slowly? is it so when they play the record on 33 it sounds even slower?

― sean g, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean lower than 33

― sean g, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

drink a straight bottle of robitussin. it's enlightening.

― badgerminor (badgerminor), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The first time I ever heard this song, the guitarist-in-my-band's 11 year old son was singing it! It's fucking hella awesome; "Fuck 'Em" : all other songs :: monster trucks : Toyota Corolas

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

They aren't drinking Robitussin, though. Not regular over-the-counter Robitussin with dextromethorphan, at least. They're drinking either codeine or hydrocodone syrup and probably the cheapest brands.

I don't think screwed up stuff and syrup have that much of a link. They have a link but, like, they didn't really slow it down so it would sound better when they were high. Or, they might have, but it's not strictly syrup music, not anymore. But if you do a syrup song, you have to slow it down. Doesn't it sound better slow, sean? I don't understand how it makes things sound cool, but it just does.

There's a screwed and chopped version of the David Banner album. And one of Da Unbreakables, too.

― d k (d k), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

So throw the Rover keys and let me roll
'Cause this the way we ball, I'm just lettin' you know
We like our music slow but our cars go faster

― d k (d k), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
Alright, I know it's been out 3 or 4 months now but I've only got hold of it yesterday. Has there ever been as strong an opening 8 tracks as on this album? Beats "lord willin'" even "The blueprint" hands down. Track 3 sounds like Bonecrusher after a nuclear fallout and I love the slower numbers like "Cadillacs on 22's" too

― Michael B, Thursday, 28 August 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

michael otm, but it totally falls apart for me after that. sadly, i think the bubba sparxxx album does too.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 28 August 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The front page, wait for it to load, listen to that.

― d k (d k), Thursday, 28 August 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

wow.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 28 August 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

only vaguely appropos, but does anyone know the name of that new Bone Crusher (that's just a guess) single with the "I'll put my hands on ya" chorus? that thing's stuck in my head and it's absolutely killing me..

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 28 August 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

this album is fantastic, best album of year so far for me

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 31 August 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

might getcha and what it do are the best tracks, like watching tv in a motel when you dont know where the fuck you are

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 31 August 2003 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

is banner the first mc to call out bush??

No.

(I am going to check out this David Banner thing though; I want at least one thing tangentially Hulk-related to be good this year)

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 31 August 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

eminem isnt an mc hes a 'pop star'

― trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

and i like this album a lot still but its not as good a party record as bonecrusher or huge as lil jon or as swirlingly dark as three six, banner is a good mc and i love his revolutionary schtick but i cant get as excited abt it as everyone else, i dunno...i like the slow jams in the last half of the album better than the detached FUCK EM style assaults of the first half, hes a lot more comfortable on floaty contemplative shit

― trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

the song off the lil jon record that has the strings sampled from lord of the rings (i think) does anthemic alot better than this song i think, the shouting and barking is messy and it also has pastor troy!

ive grown bored of this album pretty quickly, i think his production gets too bogged down by those budget drum noises and after the 3rd or 4th introspective acoustic guitar ballad they become less and less innovative or whatver. also, although he has some good bars about the government and stuff i find his voice gets boring and generic dirty south after a while. i think i'd prefer to hear him on a crooked lettahz record where other mcs will provide a break from his intensity

― sean g, Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

my fav crooked lettaz is 'get crunk' bcz its just rock box/champagne done goodie mob folky acoustic style!!

― trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I bought the whole album off iTunes this morning on the recommendation of this thread and I must say this first track ("What It Do") is kicking my ass, it's got that G-funk high-squeal keyboard that I love and these fuckin' incredible horns, and that off-putting/eventually great after you get used to it gruffness that I like in for example Yukmouth

thanks to everybody for this thread!!!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 31 August 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

john only you would compare david banner to fuckin YUKMOUTH!! whenever i see this thread i always think of the ghost line about d banner under pressure

― trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 31 August 2003 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

just 'cause you don't like Yukmouth doesn't mean that Banner's delivery doesn't recall his, s

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 31 August 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i do like yukmouth!!

― trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 31 August 2003 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

realness meter now reads "full"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 1 September 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not totally sold on this album yet, but I'm surprised there ain't any love for "Still Pimpin" - it's epic! I don't like "Cadillacs on 22" as much as everyone else, but i love "So Trill".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 12 September 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i keep getting the still pimpin on a biiiitch chorus stuck in my head but i cant sing it on the bus : (

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

hey tim i saw bonecrusher album at jb hifi for $10, does this make a difference to you? i like the album btw, but a bit peeved i paid full price a week earlier

― minna (minna), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)

there's also one that has screwed versions of some of the same songs

― minna (minna), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)

An evergrowing trend in hip-hop - though not altogether new - is to try and get a movie feel: sometimes being like soundtrack music, but more than that giving a general mood, not just having a mood or being in the mood but being surrounded by a mood, like it's your environment. Even the fuzz guitars and marching band horns here feel kind of like a horror film. Or they get Shafty on you.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 12 September 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

how great is jb hifi at the mo? i got the banner album for $10 there as well.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 13 September 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i got some amazing deals recently tim! i got freeway for $5, n.o.r.e. for $5 and mary j blige what's the 411 remix album for $10 among other things ( eg. mri - all that glitters... but i havent really decided whether i like it yet or not)

― minna (minna), Friday, 26 September 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I got Mississippi on 2xLP for $2 from a used record story - it was a promo copy in mint condition too.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

used record story = used record store

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i wouldn't mind hearing some of the screwed refixes. i bought e1999 eternal screwed and chopped the other day and it's like a thousand times better than the original

― cOLUMNs, Friday, 26 September 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I just got the crunched version. Did I fuck up?

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 26 September 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Mary -- The Screwed and Chopped version is the great one, one of the best albums of this year probably. The other one is merely wonderful.

my comments about them, for whatever they're worth, can be found here:

more new jazz and pop albums i've enjoyed lately

― chuck, Friday, 26 September 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I bought the screwed version as a half-accident. (didn't realize it was the remix until I got to the counter and said 'well I have the original on my computer, it's only $10, let's try something new') I like it a lot. It helped me realize what I like about the original. Oh yeah and it's cool when you're fucked up.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 26 September 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he's trying to overcompensate for being a UMD grad student.

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 27 September 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0344/031029_music_151.php

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 31 October 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Anyone hear his new one yet?

― Michael B, Monday, 8 December 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

new what?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 December 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

the new David Banner album silly

― Michael B, Monday, 8 December 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

12/23 in US, I've heard

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 8 December 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...
i love david banner and that song fuck them niggas and choose me tha whole cd is good i have tha screwed and chop album.

― Lela D, Saturday, 3 January 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The chopped and screwed Cadillac on 22's might be the best thing ever to come out of Mississippi.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 3 January 2004 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw David Banner perform on the SOURCE awards and it was one of the scariest things I've ever seen on television - an eroticized hyperactive super-hostile 350-lb black dreadlocked maniac. Unfortunately the song was total shit. But I WANTED to like it.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 3 January 2004 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

David Banner does not weigh 350 pounds. Bonecrusher does, though...

― chuck, Saturday, 3 January 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(Banner HAS put out almost 350 different albums this year, however.)

― chuck, Saturday, 3 January 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i finally relented and put the screwed and chopped in my top 10.

"fuck 'em" is one of the weakest tracks on that version, however.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 January 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Mississippi is one of those "if only P&J had a Top Fifteen" records for me. I've listened to all of the tracks a few times(including "Whoremonger" about 75x in a row) but I haven't listened to it all in one sitting; it'd be like getting kidney-punched every three minutes by Terry Tate, Office Linebacker and then given copious amounts of The Marihuana to ease the pain.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

the s+c mix does the same thing for mississippi that it does for most houston underground stuff, it makes it sounds way less suckier. it's more than just that but it does that, too. i hate the way those drums sound. they're so tinny and bad! i can't describe it properly. it makes my ears feel tired or something. it's the same thing with lots of other stuff, the leprechaun for one. i love flip but it doesn't sound very good and i've never seen a slowed version of it.

― cloverlandthug, Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The S&C version just confirms how brilliant the album really is ... the versions of "Might Getcha" and "Choose Me" seem inocuous and incoherent on the original, but on S&C, they're both beyond astonishing, especially the "Might Getcha," which is one of the scariest AND most beautiful tracks I've ever heard.

― Chris O., Saturday, 3 January 2004 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
hey, i love david banner 's song cadillac's on 22's

― angela shae amos, Saturday, 6 March 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I missed this thread the first time around but yeah "Fuck Em" is the best song evah.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 11 March 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

dj sometimes your taste is so corny but i'm really glad you like this.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 11 March 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

the new pastor troy album is out on slsk by the way.. if anyone was interested.

― adam west (adamwest), Thursday, 11 March 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I finally got to hear the NON-screwed version of MTA and I was pretty disappointed. Ok, I wasn't actually disappointed becuz it meant I spent my money on the more enjoyable version.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 11 March 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

dj sometimes your taste is so corny but i'm really glad you like this.

Wha?! Examples.

― djdee2005, Friday, 12 March 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, liking rap that predates 1995

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Friday, 12 March 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)


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