Slits vs. Tom Tom Club

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gigli, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Never really cared for either.....but at least the Slits were spared the singular indignity of having their music appropriated by the likes of Mariah Carey. Saw Ari Up open for the lamentable Damage Manual at Wetlands a number of years back. She was thoroughly embarassing.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

as embarassing as mariah carey?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

No, not that bad.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Both are great.

Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The Tom Tom Club are shit. I base that statement on one videotape of them I've seen. It's at a Talking Heads show. David Byrne leaves the stage and all of a sudden it's... the Tom Tom Club! They start playing some beat and doing, I dunno, the funky chicken, some awful H.R. PufnStuf kind of routine, shit that wouldn't pass muster on The Electric Company. Then one of them starts saying "Funky James Brown! James Brown! Yeah! Raise your inventions to a new mutation!" or something. Oh god I wish I'd never seen that.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anyone heard Ari Up in Edition Terranova's new single "Mongril"? She sounds crazier than ever.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracer Hand in hating "Genius of Love" genuine shockah! Dude, that song is GRATE (on record, you're right, not in the movie)

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

both are great but as the slits were one of the best bands of all time, they win.

ari up played here recently. it was spectacularly entertaining.

stirmonster, Thursday, 14 August 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

No contest.

Tom Tom Club were just an amusing little side show to the main Talking Heads event.

The Slits, as Stirmonster rightly says, were one of the bestest bands EVAH!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 14 August 2003 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

slits, though I like tom tom club and like the 'genius of love' (tracer do you hate dr. jeckyll & mr. hyde?) part of stop making sense if only cuz you can visibly see every one relax when byrne leaves the stage. I also kinda like that 'genius of love' was probably as big as any talking heads hit.

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 14 August 2003 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

If they hadn't done that awful Stop Making Sense version of 'Genius of Love' I'd be all about the Tom Tom Club.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

slits second album "return of the giant slits" is a brilliant lost masterpiece. anyone with a few thousand dollars lying around wanna help me reissue it?

j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Slits! Cut is great. Although I saw Ari Up at that Otha Turner benefit awhile back and she was awful. She turned on a loop of a dancehall beat, pulled her (I think) daughter onstage and had her sing and she looked like she didn't really want to be there. Then Ari just kind of babbled over a dancehall beat for a few seconds. Then she half-wondered aloud why the crowd wasn't into it. She's batshit crazy.

scott m (mcd), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Wordy Rappinghood is classic.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Although I saw Ari Up at that Otha Turner benefit awhile back and she was awful. She turned on a loop of a dancehall beat, pulled her (I think) daughter onstage and had her sing and she looked like she didn't really want to be there. Then Ari just kind of babbled over a dancehall beat for a few seconds. Then she half-wondered aloud why the crowd wasn't into it. She's batshit crazy.

Yeah, that's pretty much how she was when she opened for the Damage Manual.....affecting a cringe-inducing "Jamaican" accent and exhorting 'NO MORE CREW WAR! at the perplexed audience, while a gaggle of little girls and dreadlocked dancers limply gesticulated behind her.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Speaking of "Wordy Rappinghood," has the Chicks on Speed/Tobi Neumann version of that been released?

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 14 August 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

".....affecting a cringe-inducing "Jamaican" accent...."

fwiw Ari seems to have spent the latter part of the '80's and the whole of the 90's living in the wilds of JA; so I wouldn't imagine the accent was affected (cringe-inducing quite possibly, but not affected!).

As for "batshit crazy".... well, yeah, of course, your point is?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 15 August 2003 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think I get The Slits. I saw Ari Up on a documentary and thought she, as a person, was brilliant and fascinating. But musically, it's kind of so what, kind of mediocre - does no-one else think so? Because I know The Slits were supposed to be a kind of female band breakthrough, but I thought The Raincoats were more so. The Slits music to me sounds just kind of soft masculine, whereas The Raincoats sound new and feminine. I do like The Slits music though.

Tracer Hand, your thing about seeing The Tom Tom Club was so funny it made them sound really interesting.

m.s (m .s), Friday, 15 August 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you have to understand the historical context: the Raincoats didn't start until '78 (Palmolive was still in The Slits until then!) by which time The Slits had already made a major "breakthrough"!

Unfortunately the only recordings of The Slits from those days are the Y official bootleg, a couple of John Peel sessions and some rather scrappy live recordings; but the transformation from there to what they did on Cut is extraordinary.

Of course by the time The Slits got a recording contract, they had not only acquired a male drumer (first Budgie then Bruce Smith from The Pop Group) but they also had first Dennis Bovell then Adrian Sherwood helping them to explore their reggae influences.

The Raincoats had a far lower profile at the time (their profile was raised dramatically by Kurt Cobain citing them as a major influence!) and were left to make their own way more, without the level of external (/ male) influences that The Slits had.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 15 August 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

She's the punk rock Michael Jackson, seeming to have traveled beyond the realm of quirky artist to a creepy dislocation of all reality.

That accent is so fucking affected!

scott m (mcd), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"She's the punk rock Michael Jackson, seeming to have traveled beyond the realm of quirky artist to a creepy dislocation of all reality."

I think Michael Jackson's quite a good analogy insofar as (when she's on stage) Ari acts like she's 4 years old - but I can assure you she hasn't "travelled" - she's always behaved like that!

"That accent is so fucking affected!"

Please explain why you think it's affected, preferably by reference to other half-German Londoners who've spent 15 years living in JA.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I just think she's lives in a dreadlocked fantasy world is all.

scott m (mcd), Friday, 15 August 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Slits were more impt in the history of music vs. Tom Tom Club, who had one or two good songs, and were in a less transgressive genre.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

many things wrong with that sentence. many, many things.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I just think she's lives in a dreadlocked fantasy world is all.

Bingo!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 15 August 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The Raincoats had a load of male help from "Odyshape" on at least, tho, and the Slits' Peel Session (first one), all female, is pretty much the best UK punk rock record I've ever heard

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 15 August 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

And can someone tell me what album "Genius of Love" is on? I've been looking for it for TOO LONG.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 15 August 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The first one, self-titled, 1981

Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 16 August 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew - I haven't heard the Slits Peel sessions, only their big release stuff, and I'm sure that you're right about that. About getting male help, I more meant the sound of the band.

m.s (m .s), Saturday, 16 August 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i think cut has lost lustre w.time

return of the giant slits is titanic

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 16 August 2003 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I reckon Cut and London Calling are the two albums I've listened to most consistently and have aged best over the last 24 years!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Sunday, 17 August 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i always feltd. bovell flattened out and muffled their ideas somewhat on cut (compared to what he did with the pop group on "y", for example) — i like the very scratchy monochrome sound for a while, and then i drift away

by contrast, i've been playing "return of the gigantic" all weekend, which is amazing

(i've still got my giant cut wall poster though — the other jazz insects gave it to me as a birthday present!!) (we were produced by d.bovell also — WE PUT IT IN GIANT LETTERS ON THE SLEEVE as he was a million times more famous than us)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 17 August 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

I delayed picking up the S/T Tom Tom Club all this time because I thought it would be all "Wordy Rappinghood" and "Genius of Love", and filler. Why does no one give major props to "Lorelei"? Holy shit, what a song, better than the two aforementioned and more well-known tracks. "Lorelei" makes me wish I owned a car again and had somewhere to drive. That bassline!

Z S, Saturday, 22 December 2007 01:51 (eighteen years ago)

am i the only person who prefers pleasure of love to genius of love? i always have. don't get me wrong, i love genius of love, but pleasure hits every spot that ever needed hitting. and then some.

scott seward, Saturday, 22 December 2007 02:02 (eighteen years ago)

The first album has lots of good album tracks. "Lorelei"! "On and On"! "L'Elephant"!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 22 December 2007 02:06 (eighteen years ago)

I pulled out Tom Tom Club's Genius of Love today. That is a fucking classic track. My god. One step closer to Grandmaster Flash/Afrika Baambaataa.

I'm going to pull out Blondie's Rapture tonight I think.

Bimble, Monday, 24 December 2007 07:13 (eighteen years ago)

I've got Wordy Rappinghood, too though. Fucking classic, man.

Bimble, Monday, 24 December 2007 07:14 (eighteen years ago)

am i the only person who prefers pleasure of love to genius of love?

wow, i haven't heard this song in 20+ years. it's good, waaaay better than the man with the 4 way hips which is the only song i remembered from the second record until now.
first record is still genius.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joB2-baMCBg

gershy, Monday, 24 December 2007 07:31 (eighteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

I love the Slits, but I also love this video

BOOM BOOM CHI BOOM BOOM

Turangalila, Saturday, 13 December 2008 19:51 (seventeen years ago)

http://people.mozilla.com/%7Eschrep/ApplesAndOranges.jpg

derelict, Saturday, 13 December 2008 20:24 (seventeen years ago)

tom tom club duh

Just Johnson (special guest stars mark bronson), Saturday, 13 December 2008 20:26 (seventeen years ago)

JJ: depends on what you are looking for. 80's white people paying homage to their 70's funk heros: Tom Tom Club. 70's white people paying homage to their Jamaican reggae/ska heros: the Slits. The only reason this isn't quite apples vs. oranges is its essentially a question of what kind of collegiate (or collegiate by reading) appropriation you prefer.

I guess for me its Tom Tom Club. Funk, for me, is more powerful and more enduring than ska/cod-reggae. But on the whole its a silly comparison. They're both good, in small doses, they both made lousy albums, they're both of their time, they both can be exerpted into a superior late-70s/early-80s mix.

derelict, Saturday, 13 December 2008 20:41 (seventeen years ago)

well. the only slits song i can listen to i s "i heard it through the grapevine". so, tom tom club wins.

sam york, Saturday, 13 December 2008 21:20 (seventeen years ago)

I'm biased, the Slits are Holy to me; so they win, even though I like TTC.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 13 December 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

Their 1992 album Dark Sneak Love Action is, like, really. fucking. good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHmempzqp5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVVxp89iJWc

goya cézanne (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 22 November 2012 17:41 (thirteen years ago)

Slits were more impt in the history of music vs. Tom Tom Club, who had one or two good songs, and were in a less transgressive genre.
― Orbit (Orbit), Friday, August 15, 2003 5:57 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

many things wrong with that sentence. many, many things.
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, August 15, 2003 5:59 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 November 2012 19:07 (thirteen years ago)

jess otmfm tbh

goya cézanne (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 22 November 2012 19:09 (thirteen years ago)

This is the thread where mark s talks about how great Return of the Giant Slits is. Convinced me to check the album out for myself; now its one of my favorite of the decade. Slits are amazing.

that's the way to choke a jiving spirit (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 22 November 2012 19:37 (thirteen years ago)

return of the giant slits is ledge (as my kids would say).
Still have a vivid memory of the first time I heard Peel play this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynVFwk3Ejgc

Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 22 November 2012 21:36 (thirteen years ago)

Their 1992 album Dark Sneak Love Action is, like, really. fucking. good.

Yep!

Anyone wanna share my love of Dark Sneak Love Action? I think that's a totally slept-on disc in their catalog. It's not all great, but years ago I edited out the cuts I didn't like to make a 45 minute cassette, and I used to rock that on the regular.

― I turn it up when I hear the banjo (Dan Peterson), Friday, 23 April 2010 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

By the end of my second term, Gingrich said... (Dan Peterson), Friday, 23 November 2012 14:58 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

I'm gonna go ahead and repost this and assert that it is better than "Genius of Love"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHmempzqp5Q

vylvyt ylvis (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 10 February 2014 20:31 (twelve years ago)


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