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This is a question for people who write regularly about music -

What groups/artists/records/styles/things do you find hardest to write about? And why?

Tom (Groke), Friday, 15 August 2003 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

hip-hop and dance - cause you need the mad expertise skillz to truly understand it and i lack it. i usually turn down the offers to review either genre.

st cloud kid of death, Friday, 15 August 2003 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I find what I do write about hard to write about it, often the best stuff is one simple riff which can't be explained and you've no lyrics to cheat with. Though when there is I do my best.

I guess that's why it's easier posting about stuff because I can tell a story of a night out or something and it resonates a bit more. As a general problem, people need to have heard the tune already to get a review I do I'd say. But this might be true of all reviews.

I think now I'd find it difficult to write about rock music, I was given an Irish indie band to do for Hot Press there a few weeks ago and there's just too much of an axe to grind. When it came to the crunch and they replaced my review with someone giving it 8 out of 10 and "one to watch for the future" racing post nonsense I was pretty annoyed.

I'm not sure if rock is hard for me to write about, I just think that it IS hard in terms of practicality to criticise tired shite indie rock in print mags. I had a line in it about how the constant efforts to appear passionate in rock music made idiots of bands like the one I was reviewing and I said it was due to the legacy of Cobain and Richey Edwards and stuff.

The editor was talking to me about it and he said "but are you saying Cobain/Edwards never made good music". I actually had to say "no of course not", he looked like he was about to cry.

Anyway that difficulty is not quite the topic I guess. I think I would like to write about pop more.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 15 August 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I find it hard to write about rapping skills because I find it more difficult to come up with analogies/metaphors for different flows than I do for singing or musical arrangements. And analogies/metaphors are pretty much my stock-in-trade when it comes to describing music.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 15 August 2003 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Pop, unless it's made by The Neptunes bores the shit out of me. How many critical reappraisals are going to be made of dull pop before that gets tiresome as well? It's shocking, wtf at first and then after reading tonnes of it, it's well, a bit dull and almost as practical as whatever. Also add jazz, opera, classical - it's almost pedantic, the guidelines you need to write about same.

st cloud kid of death, Friday, 15 August 2003 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I would like to start reading about hip-hop more though - any suggestions of where a white boy can read about hip-hop through a black person's critical viewpoint?

st cloud kid of death, Friday, 15 August 2003 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

the newsstand

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Indie-schmindie of the sort which isn't bad, which is actually quite pleasant, but which you're never going to really feel a huge desire to listem to again. There's only so many times you can paraphrase "I wouldn't turn the radio off if this came on but overall, meh".

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 15 August 2003 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul Weller
Most house
Cunty one-track CDR promos without sleeves

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah dance can be hard, I don't remember the last time I braved writing about a dance track, for one thing I'm awful at describing rhythms.

This question was prompted by playing the new Broadcast record - they're a group who I find very hard to write about without it feeling really forced/false - I just can never find the right images.

St Cloud I think there may actually be some real live black people posting to ILX sometimes.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm thinking about about a book or a regularly published critic. I find it easier to understand a music form when it's written from someone within that culture, like bhangri, world music, etc. Yes I understand the inherent badness in that statement but it's personal preference not fact.

st cool kid of death, Friday, 15 August 2003 08:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm having real trouble finishing something i started abt m.bolan: the bits that are all about me were no problem — you will all be astounded to discover — but trying to talk abt him and is music is stumping me

(nor have i ever seen him written well about)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh. I think I know what you are saying - I struggled with liner notes of a well-known soft pop band. The history weighs me down. I find it easier to write about pop culture when it was happening during my own personal sphere of history.

st cool kid of death, Friday, 15 August 2003 08:41 (twenty-two years ago)

mark's pretty old dude

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)

*ducks*

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

but this WAS happening during my own perrsonal sphere of history!! (warning: i am v.old)

(haha "written well about", er yes that's a conceptual gag foax *sigh*)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

*swans*

mark s (mark s), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm thinking about about a book or a regularly published critic. I find it easier to understand a music form when it's written from someone within that culture, like bhangri, world music, etc. Yes I understand the inherent badness in that statement but it's personal preference not fact.

The New Beats, i remember loving back in the day. Though that day was probably about a decade ago, so it's probably dated now...

stevie (stevie), Friday, 15 August 2003 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Cool. I got some other recommendations as well from another board I visit.

"yes yes y'all" (came out last year,can't remember who wrote it though...)
"rap attack" david toop
both very good on the early stuff...




st cloud cool kid of death, Friday, 15 August 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

the stuff i find most difficult to write about is the stuff i *love*... because i feel the need to truly *nail* it and get it down perfectly, so i constantly second guess and rewrite all my pieces so i'm sure i've done the best job possible...

stevie (stevie), Friday, 15 August 2003 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

that's not hard - that's challenging ...

st cloud cool kid of death, Friday, 15 August 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I thougthI'd have a hard time writing about the new Shack album, especially as I just wrote 1500 words on The Strands only about a month agom, which i was realy pleased with. But last night I sat down for an hour or so and had 800 words that worked well by the end of it.

I will write about almost anything, but I often feel out of my depth when it's a genre I don't know much about. Which is a shit, cos the genres I don't know much about are generally the ones I like most.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 15 August 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Innit... I've never written anything of any significance about Shellac, but in the event would find it impossible to avoid acknowledging the difficulty of doing justice to their craft in a manner they might appreciate. Substitute Shellac for the band of your choice [who happen to have some sort of appreciation of journatic standards] and you get the idea...

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 15 August 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm with Stevie. It's very difficult to write about music and artists that I have an unwavering emotional connection to. No matter what comes out of me, it feels like a premature birth. It's the best metaphor I can come up with. (Albeit extremely an dramatic one.)

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 15 August 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

See my Talk Talk article. Which I hate despite the nice comments people have made about it.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 15 August 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a hard time writing about acts that I really genuinely like. Things I'm ambivalent about, no problem. I can tackle them. But when I'm writing about something I really like, I either go overboard with the gushing or overly restrain myself from doing so and wind up writing something boring.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 15 August 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

any suggestions of where a white boy can read about hip-hop through a black person's critical viewpoint?

Cool. I got some other recommendations as well from another board I visit.

"rap attack" david toop

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry i forgot the ";-)", there.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I have the most trouble writing about stuff I don't really care about. At that point, the whole thing becomes an assignment, and I hate homework with a passion.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I have serious journalist struggling to get out of me (probably Morley Safer). So I think I do my best work when I'm like, just objectively telling a story or something. When I don't care what my subject thinks of my work.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Midtempo rock, especially if it has twinges of country or "a.m. pop" (god i hate that cliche). everything's already been said, frankly. guh.

i love writing about genres i know less about, and write about less often (eg: dance, hip hop). suddenly there's a whole new sonic territory to try to describe, and i don't have to hunt for the right reference - i can just talk about how it sounds and how it makes me feel, not necessarily how it fits into the greater genre.

also: dleone otm.

Sean M (Sean M), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Reviews expressing indifference can frequently be quite fun. Polishing one's grasp of verbose boredom [yes I am self-aware] can make for an entertaining scrawl. Writing even vaguely lengthy features about people or things you don't give a shit about, however, deadens the senses.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Reviews expressing indifference can frequently be quite fun.

Yeah, but only up to a point... after the tenth boring indie shite album, you just feel like writing "Refer to all previous reviews on boring indie shite, there are no more synonyms left for the word 'dull'".

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha, I once said an album "oscillates but dull and boring."

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

duh, "oscillates between dull and boring."

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Can we all agree that in a perfect world no one would ever write about music unless they care about it?

(Note: you can dislike a record & still care about it)

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 15 August 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Band I wanted to write about recently but chickened out due to perceived difficulty: Helium.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 15 August 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Sort of related: is there another word for "soundscape"? I've noticed that even writers like Simon Reynolds who are usually very good at descriptive stuff still overuse this word.

I think I find all music hard to write about, although I enjoy it (ha, masochistic tendencies?); but I especially enjoy (and put most into) writing about the ones I care about. And yeah, "care about" does not (ncessarily) mean "like".

David A. (Davant), Friday, 15 August 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I find it really hard to write about UK Garage without going into corny descriptive mode and making myself (and everyone around me) sick. Dance I can't handle but I'd like to. Straightforward rock (I originally wrought 'fock') I can't really be bothered with writing about because I don't really know any new interesting angles. Hip-Hop where to start.

These are all my limitations as a writer thus far and I think it's important to be a good (great) critic that you are able to provide a view on all of these musics articulately and insightfully ('the infinite criticism') (David Thompson) (separate brackets there) (note) (alright?). And I remember Matos saying something to the effect that if he feels he can't write about it it makes him want to more to prove to himself and to improve himself as a writer. This is how I feel, it's just hard to beat the ennui into practice.

David. (Cozen), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

sp: Thomson

wasn't it 'infinite sensitivity'?

Cozen, I don't think you should bother writing about most of those things.

the pinefox, Sunday, 17 August 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Depending on the genre, concepts that go deeper into the mechanical bits and workings of the scene, its history and various other things Simon Reynolds seems to be able to expound on at the drop of a hat. (I started a completely ignored thread on this yesterday.)

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 17 August 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Somehow I find it hard to come up with anything particularly interesting to say about modern composition, IDM, jazz, or Indian classical music but can go on endlessly about Avril Lavigne or Queensryche.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 17 August 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Shitty Northern House.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 17 August 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

But those are the musics I love, the pinefox!

And perhaps, yes, it was 'sensitivity' though I don't think I ever read this phrase anywhere and was passive-aggressively nibbling at what seemed to taste like cryptomnesia by putting Thomson in brackets, where he doesn't really ever belong.

David. (Cozen), Sunday, 17 August 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I was thinking of the Nipper: 'a critic should have infinite sensitivity'.

the pinefox, Sunday, 17 August 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

And cryptomnesia thuds into memory and the back of Barthes.

David. (Cozen), Sunday, 17 August 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)


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