So Solid Crew - Second Verse (new album)

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...is apparently available here.
http://www.nimbusmp3.com/fullalbums.php
I can't get that site to work, gah. But it would at least mean that it's leaked, and can probably be found on slsk (which I can't deal with at the moment). So someone plz track it down and tell me how it sounds like! Tracklisting:

1 intro
2 first verse
3 angry beats
4 so grimey
5 six o'clock
6 more
7 how it is
8 second verse
9 colder
10 bou bas (remix)
11 leave us alone
12 money maker
13 thug anthem
14 kaish anthem
15 broken silence
16 no love
17 outro

― Mind Taker, Monday, 18 August 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

mandy moore looks amazing on that album cover.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 18 August 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Naming track "so grimey" = tinge of desperation, surely??

Can Roll Deep and Nasty Crew hurry up with their own magnum opuses plz (that Nasty Crew realaudio set would easily be my equal album of the year with Luomo)???

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 18 August 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

what would be the equiv. I wonder? Gang Starr calling a song "So Boom Bap"? Miguel Migs doing "So Would-Be Sophisticated House"? Jazzanova calling themselves Jazzanova?

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 18 August 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

haha

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"so ghetto"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

what does it say about me that i still love ssc more than any of the other ukg stuff ive ever heard ??

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

it says that you are always yourself, if nothing else.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(in other words, it's exactly what i would expect.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

yes aww thats very sweet but WHY!!!! they dont seem more traditionally hiphop than some of the more recent shit ive heard, that oxide and neutrino song is mad abstract compared to like dizzee or whoever but i like it tons more....i dunno

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

probably because they have crappy british mc's < /trife> but still have the pop-garage undercarriage (or did...i haven't heard the new stuff) whereas you probably think the newer ukg sounds like co flow or something.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Which Oxide & Neutrino song?

I think I actually prefer Oxide & Neutrino to So Solid Crew (Neutrino's a mediocre MC but the productions are better)

Trife have you listened to the Nasty Crew set?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

like my nigga neutrino saaaays....like my homie megaman saaaaays....i meant UP MIDDLE FINGER!!!! tim that link doesnt work my realaudi is too slow and old i have a very bad computer

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

realaudi 5000!!!!!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah "Up Middle Finger" is awesome but Trife did you ever hear "Shoot 2 Kill"? Equally as good if not better!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

grr i want to hear this cd now!! is 'six o clock' so solids tribute to greg street??? tim i never heard that : (

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

It was a single from the last Oxide & Neutrino album Shoot 2 Kill - sort of like Three Six Mafia maybe? Very cold and goth but with bounceriffic beats.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

ssc are NOT pop! not on the last album at least. if anything more anti-pop "hard" but also more dull than the current crop of 8 bar

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

the o&n album was great tho.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I agree with Sterling's assessment - the problem with They Don't Know is that it's an unending torrent of exactly the same thing over and over, which pop albums are almost never.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The first single ("Broken Silence") is straight hip-hop, not garage at all. It reminded me of Mr. Hectic's "Discovery" on first listen. The verses are OK, the sung chorus a little laboured.

I probably like "21 Seconds" more than any of the grime stuff too.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

ahhh i just downloaded the whole thing but it turns out my cpu won't play "mp3%20" files whatever they are. which is fucking annoying.

the stuff i've heard on the pirates is mainly straight hip hop hence plasticman's dis. some of it is also horrible vapid chart orientated (in a bad way) american style rnb.

the problem i have with so solid is that most of the members have straight record company defined roles to match or appeal to american people. romeo as ja "pain is love" rule, the sensitive thug; megaman and asher d and swiss amongst others as the grimy east coast style "classical" mcs; lisa mafia as ashanti; oxide and neutrino are the gutter pirate boys; harvey presents fucking T4!!! badly!!! i'm not bleating "SELL OUT!!!" or anything but they seem awfully watered down. personally i'd rather hear a asher d solo album but whatever.

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i've found it now in proper mp3 form so i'll keep yous posted

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

If nothing else, Neutrino has quite a range. The first O&N album was all super catchy riffing and pretty clean beats, but their last album sounded like Skinny Puppy or Front Line Assembly.

― Brian Miller, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

first verse
this is produced by jd and the vocal is mega
the beat sounds a little like nigga what but with budget drums and dreamy washes. it doesn't do much apart but bounces along inoffensively. there's a metallic stutter bass noise and the odd just blaze esque drum roll. a bit boring.
mega starts by calling out the 'niggas chattin' and then makes some piss take gossip noises. he's trying to sound like jay z, and every now and then clearly lapses into an american accent. it's basically about hatas and labels and how great he is 'you wanna be me you aint even half of me/like that guy who owes 4 bars to me/or that chick who fucks in the dark with me/back to the place i go when niggas are after me/the streets are grimy but niggas look after me blah blah blah girls blah'. he kinda picks up towards the end, shifting his flow and changing the pitch of his voice emphatically a bit like jay z. it's essentially just a mix tape freestyle.

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

angry beats
not sure who produces this but it sounds like jd again.
it starts with a skit at a so solid show where the organizer is forced to cancel the show because of police interferance. a riot ensues.
the beat is basically southern bounce, with a whistle-synth melody, sampled forever-era rza strings and a thin, skronky bassline. it's nice but still a little boring. there's lots of mcs on this including swiss, mega, but asher d's short verse shines brightest. the music drops out and returns to the show, and asher is introduced. he briefly talks about prison 'i'm not a fool i'm a smart individual/went to jail for walking round with a tool......made me a man.....'.
the best thing about this song is the big anthemic chorus 'who do you know who's making mad hits? SO SOLID! who is the crew that will never ever quit? SO SOLID!' alot like a southern crunk song.
it's good stuff.

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"it's basically about hatas and labels and how great he is"

haha which makes it every so solid song ever.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

so grimey
eurgh this song is fucking horrible (not in a good way!)
blatant neptunes rip off and even has a kelis sounding singer, i don't know his name but he sounds like a girl. seriously this song is terrible and according to g-man the new single. the chorus runs 'girl you're so grimy' and features the lyric 'cos girl's gotta wear air force ones/thugged out with a doorag hung'. i heard this on delight and thought it was ok but it's actually pretty terrible. the introduction is pretty funny though.

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahaha oh my god 'it was six o'clock - in the morning i was yawning'!!! sing that to the tune of shake ya ass and do your own rapping

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

more
this is produced by dan the man and is still hip hop. the beat borrows neptunes sonics but is alot more interesting than his previous attempt, shifting and shuffling around rigid guitar hits and synth boings. i'm ignoring these chief mcs until asher returns

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

how it is
wow. this an amazing beat. it's totally what a warped trans-atlantic appropriation of the neptunes sound should be. it's the point at which danny weed/jon e cash et al meet jazze pha and timbaland without sounding empty or lacking personality, zest and originality. it's really shisty, like a mis-behaving toy robot, no melody just a broken music box chattering away mercilessly. it's all fizzy cola bottles and sherbert flying saucers. swiss has a nice verse on this but that beat is so distracting. lots of fun and the best song so far. it sounds like so solid.

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

colder
yes. this is fucking beautiful. i think it might be neutrino but not sure. it sounds like forever-era rza again, a big sweeping orchestral melody, melancholy and lonely. it's kinda pedestrian and obvious but the melody is effective at base level, yet the song itself is inventive at the same time; the first verse is in french! the chorus is shouted by a rowdy massed childs choir, and there's room for some random frog noises at the end! 'no more running in the hood' is the topic. 'no more weight on my shoulder/all my enemies older/niggas acknowledge my flow/now they call me a soldier'. it's all about being young and carefree and arrogant and the realisation of maturity and responsibility. it sounds like london.

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm liking the single a lot more now - the flute sample is lovely and there's some good rhymes - "trust me / sitting round tables in suits and ties with a lust to discuss me? / you disgust me", still not sure about the chorus though.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

bou bas (remix)
hahaha yes! this is standard! a really nice dark squelchy garage/hip hop hybrid (but not grime noooooo) that flips and reverses into a plucked cello led bounce. sounds alot like rza but funner. the chorus is sung in french AND we're treated to this hilarious and bad in equal portions dane bowers dis - 'dj still mixing that straight up mans trick/next time you open your mouth fatboy you need think/slim fast plan diet that should help your weight/so you can run not hide when you get punched in the face/to prove your talent you teamed up with posh spice/you were 'out of your mind' she has problems when she mimes/another level's over it's 2002/so stick with what you're good at and eat your food!'.
this definitely sounds like so solid

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

so far only how it is, colder and bou bas have really stood out. JD's developed a derivative but ocassionally interesting style that hybrids all just blaze, timbaland and the neptunes. apart from the three i've mentioned i can't help thinking "big brovas" whilst listening to this

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd continue but unfortunately the slsk bird has closed its wings and gone red. so far it's a pretty mediocre record. i was hoping they'd have regained some of the agginess of oh no and what with the current garage scene being in such rude health i imagined they'd be back with force to reclaim their crown. colder is utterly breathtakingly gorgeous tho

― sean g, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I quite like JD's production on Mis-Teeq's "Nitro" and Lisa's "All Over" - yeah it's hella derivative but it's shameless about it and is definitely going for an icy-the-most trump all comers feel.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

silly question: are sites like the above listed considered safe to d/l from? (and by safe i mean relative to other forms of file trading)

― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

recently there was also that asher d - 'solid roc' track with memph bleek and beanie... it was meh

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:00 (twenty-two years ago)

So Ghetto?!?!?!? Hahahahahah - they're from frigging Battersea!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

did anyone notice the "deep seated urban decay" streets ref in "broken silence"? not suprising really i guess. in trifeian terms, kinda like mobb deep quoting cannibal ox. then again, despite "i saw abraham's brains split on the pave", the so solid song is more reflective than felt anyway.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

So Ghetto?!?!?!? Hahahahahah - they're from frigging Battersea!

i don't want to be rude but i think that sort of thing is a bad thing to say. there might be middleclass people in battersea, there might even be a peace pagoda, but it's not really the point.
you see, it's not the place, gangstaboy, it's the life.

― luka v, Friday, 12 September 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Battersea is minging except for the park, So Solid really irritate me but not for the reasons they'd like to think they do - still i'm curious to hear the tracks sean is rating

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

that Streets ref is interesting...30 seconds in i hate this track tho - VERY US hip hop, derivative, no interesting sounds, just seems pointless

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

surely it's 'deep seeded urban decay' tho

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i feel sorry for so solid because they love hip hop and would love dearly to become hip hop and to finally popularise british hip hop but the heavy derivativeness (?) amounts to plagiary. and it's not even like they're copying current up to the minute us sounds, most of it sounds like trackmasters and the neptunes circa 99. saying that they do have some good lyricists and occasional flashes of inspiration but this album is mainly a triumph of money + new equipment over ideas. the only track worth hearing is colder really.

― sean g, Friday, 12 September 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

'deep seeded'? really?

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 12 September 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

'deep seeded' suggests the roots go far back and are complex, seems to make more sense than 'deep seated'

i'm not sure British hip hop can ever be popularised more than it already has been and retain that British notion whatever it is - maybe it's not a good idea, maybe it just can't happen. you either need to dress, talk and act like a U.S. b-boy/thug/playa/whatever or keep going like Roots Manuva who's never going to have a big hit but gets enough respect. Dizzee is maybe somewhere between those two and that may be a good place to be - all depends what happens next. Either way So Solid will get a few more hits but I'll be surprised if 'Broken Silence' or anything after it from them is a #1

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 September 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that the speed and style of grime gives it enough different to take the best bits from US rap without sounding like a derivative pale reflection (whereas UK hip hop sounds better the less US it sounds). Like, although I now like all of Boy in da Corner, the faster tracks like "Seems 2 Be" sounded more compelling to begin with because they just don't sound like hip hop at all, whereas it takes longer to spot the differences in something like "Cut Em Off". Having said that "Seems 2 Be" probably steals more from US rap than "Cut Em Off" does - it just contextualises it in a manner that effectively cuts the link.

I don't think it's impossible to make good US-sounding rap from the UK - at least conjecturing from JD's grimey r&b production for Lisa Maffia and Mis-Teeq, which I think manages to somehow proclaim its Britishness in the sonics alone despite being a total US knock-off.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 13 September 2003 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

you see, it's not the place, gangstaboy, it's the life.

Fuck that, I'd like to see these idiots try growing up somewhere like Cranhill instead of friggin' Battersea

― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 14 September 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

dada has had a tough life so give him a break.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 14 September 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not as easily impressed and excited as you middle class kiddies

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

So what? I grew up in a cardboard box by the side of the road, me.

― reallyreal, Monday, 15 September 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

What size of cardboard box tho?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

does your mum shop in kwiksave dada?

― sean g, Monday, 15 September 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Does that matter?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Battersea!?

I once read somewhere that not one single member of the Beatles was in fact a Walrus. They've a nerve.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

does your mum shop in kwiksave dada?

Only for smack and guns

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I once read somewhere that not one single member of the Beatles was in fact a Walrus. They've a nerve.

Oh I see, So Solid Crew are all about keepin' it metaphorical are they?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

They're mostly about bragging and telling stories as far as I can tell. Some of the stories might be true stories.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Keepin' it semi-real then

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

All pop music ever to thread.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 15 September 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...

so solid are hip hop on methamphetamines
dre, snoop etc are hip hop on weed

― RPM, Saturday, 28 February 2004 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

'So Grimey' is the new single (it's ok but doesn't sound 'grimey' at all) - video is yer standard 'hot scantily-clad girls soap up, wrestle and gyrate while we do this shit' fodder

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 28 February 2004 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

hearing 'Colder' for the first time now - i like it! THIS should've been the single

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

'Colder' is the baddest tune on the album. and ive read wot uve been sayin n the first verse of it aint in french its in greek. the first verse is done by trigger who is from cyprus. i jst thought i wld say how sick i think the tune is n set every1 straight that its greek not french. bless.

― luka stavrou, Friday, 5 March 2004 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

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