Classic or Dud: Metallica - Kill 'Em All

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This is a tough one for me. I really love Cliff Burton-era Metallica. Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning are two of the finest albums ever recorded. However, Kill 'Em All is definately different. I could never call it a dud, as its not by any means a bad album. I could just see a lot of people not liking it cuz its raw, really thrashy, and often discombobulated w/ its lyrics. Personally, I think its lack of production, ultra-fast solos, and killer hooks are awesome. My biggest complaint is the lack of good lyrics: Despite the charm of singing about rock and roll, death, and mayhem, it gets a little grating after a while. All and all, I think its a top notch effort for an early metal album, and I listen to it pretty frequently. What about the rest of the board?

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Thursday, 21 August 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

my fave

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 21 August 2003 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not bad.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 21 August 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, the production is wafer-thin, but it has some of their best riffs. I love the lyrics! All this sub-Motorhead stuff about how much ass they kick.

The way Hetfield speak/sings "All right!" at the beginning of "Seek and Destroy" is one of the great moments in metal history.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 21 August 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I can't say I hate the lyrics, and yes, I'll even say Four Horsemen is a fucking brutally good song, lyrics included. Its just, well, whether or not they're enjoyable (and they sure as fuck are on songs like Whiplash) the lyrics are no doubt the weak part of the album. And yes, that means I think the lack of production is a strong point.

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Thursday, 21 August 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(actually, I should say it has some of the best riffs Dave Mustaine wrote - haha!)

What do you think of Hammett's playing on the record? He got a lot better later on, I think. He's fast, but not very imaginative.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 21 August 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Hammett has been given the title "Wah-sturbator" and I can see it. He's ultra fast which can be used to great effect: Solos on WHiplash, Four Horsemen, Creeping Death, Battery, Master of Puppets, etc are among Metallica's best. He admittedly just plays 100000 notes in a 2 minute span, but I think it works well. My biggest complaint is by the Black Album, all his live solos were basically wah-d out wank-fests of speed. I mean its cool, when I'm int he mood for it, but honestly the guitar solo on Live Shit Mexico City is just excessive. I think he got creative on the solo for One, and I like some of his soloing on later shit from Load and Reload (despite not liking the albums at all). Honestly, Kirk is the only guy in the band I still like, and despite his over-use of the same licks in solos and the wah pedal, he gets my approval.

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Thursday, 21 August 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

And while we're on early Metallica, Blitzkrieg fucking kicks serious ass...

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Thursday, 21 August 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

hammett's an uninteresting guitarist at best, but i'm not too fond of guitar solos anyway. _kill 'em all_ is a great album, pretty much the only thing i want to hear out of metallica lately (excepting "orion").

your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 21 August 2003 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the fact that the lyrics suck make it a much better metal album.

astroblaster (astroblaster), Thursday, 21 August 2003 05:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think the lyrics are too far worse than those on Master and Ride the Lightning. And while it's far from my favorite (Master still does it for me), it's a fine record, and I always had a soft spot for Mustaine. The demos I heard of the material with him on it are great.

Never really liked Kirk Hammet as a guitarist, especially when compared to King & Hanneman of Slayer, who were, for me, the greatest ever (this is going back about 12 years, mind you)

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 21 August 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

This is definitely my fourth favorite. Master Of Puppets was the album that made me a fan of Metallica and metal in general. It was also a huge reason I started playing the guitar. The thing I've always liked most about Metallica is their chord structures and sense of melody and that huge fucking guitar crunch. Kill Em All is a little bit more straight up than the next three albums - its good but it will just never compare in my eyes. The band would really start experimenting with different song structures and shit like that later and that just does more for me. Also Kirk Hammett was a big hero for years and I still have a lot of respect and all but Alex Skolnik was really the man in the '80's.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 21 August 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck, yeah, man, Testament, I almost forgot. All the ballads were awesome - what was that one, "The Legacy"?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 21 August 2003 06:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the first two Testament records - The Legacy and The New Order - fuckin classics. Practice What You Preach had its moments too. Their new "First Strike Still Deadly" album is the shit too - they re-recorded some tunes off the first two albums with some good heavy production. Alex Skolnik returned for this record and its got Steve Digiorgio on bass! It doesn't get much better than that.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 21 August 2003 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember Kirk having some pretty melodic solos on Puppets and Justice, but I may have just listened to those albums too damn many times at a young age.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 21 August 2003 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Kill Em All is OK, the production, particularly in the bass is pisspoor which is a bitch cos Burton was the man, but there are some good thrashing riffs in there. If I listen to it now it comes across like fairly ropy garage rock with dreadful trad. metal pretensions. Still, I always liked Four Horsemen – especially the breakdown when Hetfield runs through the four riders: "TIME, has taken it’s toll on you, the lines that crack you face…" etc etc but more than a few songs in a row off this and it starts to grate. I’d rather listen to any of the subsequent three albums when I get the bite of nostalgia, which is all Metallica is to me these days.

Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 21 August 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the album of theirs I play the least (next to, say, Reload, which I own but I don't believe I've ever played). I think it's the production that puts me off. I do like "Whiplash", "Seek & Destroy" and one or two other tracks, but generally prefer live versions of them that were recorded later. Ride the Lighting, meanwhile, is head, neck, shoulders, chest, abdomen, hips, naughty bits better than Kill'em All.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 August 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"No life 'til leather, we're gonna KICK SOME ASS TONIGHT!"

I'll say it's a classic. MAn, I haven't listened to that one in awhile. Just thinking about that red and black cover and the teenaged Metallica picture inside...."Am I Evil". I'd be tempted to say that this in my Top 50 Debut Albums by an Artist. I know that some e.p.'s that had come out but this was their first full-length, right?

Listen to me. Start talking about Kill 'Em All, and I start writing like a fifteen year old. A thread that would bring up more questions than answers would be C/D - ...And Justice For All. "One" is a good song, and so is "Dyer's Eve", but the rest of the album and that hollow tinny production? Sheesh.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

My favorites, in order:

The $5.98 EP: Garage Days Re-Revisited
...And Justice For All
Ride The Lightning
Master Of Puppets
Kill 'Em All

Oh, and Metallica broke up immediately after recording ...And Justice For All. I don't know who those other tools are.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

...And Justice For All is a fuckin brilliant album. I'd say I listened to that album more than any other when I was younger - just sitting and figuring out all the riffs and time changes. I was always really amazed by James' rhythm playing. It was flawless - truly an inspiration.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

...though you can't really hear any bass on it at all.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I agree, Justice is great. Again, maybe it's just because I listened to it so much an such an impressionable age, but it's cool that they were in a prog mood when they still had their songwriting chops...it amazed me that they could make 10 min uptempo, multisectioned songs where every riff managed to be a hook in itself.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"Am I Evil" was the song I most wanted to be able to play on guitar. hey listen, mom - "my mother was a witch!! she was burned alive!!!!!!!" cool, huh?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 21 August 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

James's voices sounded so weak back then (though he didn't start growling proper like till MoP). All the songs were too short.

Leee (Leee), Thursday, 21 August 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll take Hetfield's weak growling on Kill em All over whatever the fuck it is he thinks is "singing" on the last few....

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 21 August 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"Kill Em All" is their best - I've always liked speed metal most when it's rabid & messy (which is why I like the classic German trinity Sodom/Kreator/Destruction more than any of the Bay Area bands). Actually, the production isn't THAT bad - in fact it might be their best sounding album until the black abomination.

The cool thing about Justice was that their songwriting chops were patchy as usual, but they still had their knack for writing THOSE riffs by the caseload. But I really wish they wouldn't have just copy/pasted a riff/drum pattern 40x instead of doing more interesting things with it to build something (change bassline underneath it, change the drum pattern, slight variations in the riff itself). Only a few years later bands like Enslaved and Burzum would emerge who wrote two-riff fifteen minute songs with those techniques.

1.Kill Em All (no weak tracks!)
2.Justice (no weak riffs!)
3.Garage Days (raw & messy! cardboard drums again!)
4.Lightning (killer/filler ratio 6/2)
5.Puppets (killer/filler ratio 5/3)

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
I have a very obscure Metallica RFI. Couldn't find this on google, so here's your chance to shine, ILM:

In the "Cliff 'em All" video (haven't seen it in like ten years), there is a short home video clip where you see the guys sitting in a room and drinking beer (I know, that's like every scene). But in this clip there is a song playing in the background, I'm pretty sure you hear the guitar solo on the track. It's obvious this was playing on a stereo or something in the room they were in. It sounds like a NWOBHM track, but I'd like to know exactly what it is. This drove me nuts back in the day. Any clues?

haha actually, I just googled again to be sure and found this on a tablature file...it's got to be the same thing:


1. There's a home video "Cliff'em all!".
On the 38min:48sec is an interview(almost),after Cliff's bass-solo.

Someone says to - Lars,Kirk,James(from left):

- Hey guys,don't move!

There's a background music! Who play this background song ???!
What is the title of this song ???!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(There's only the solo,and a few words)
This situation is before "The four horsmen"

Keith C (lync0), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 04:44 (twenty years ago)

Oh and of course this album is totally classic.

Keith C (lync0), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 04:45 (twenty years ago)

"It had to go through Lou!"

Somehow, that tape was the only VHS tape that was still on my shelf. I just checked it, and the song is none other than Tesla's "Cumin Atcha Live" from their first album, Mechanical Resonance.

That was back when they were trying to sound like Dokken and not CCR.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 05:48 (twenty years ago)

Those Cliff solos still get to me.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 05:50 (twenty years ago)

My second favorite Metallica album to Ride The Lightning.

The riff to "The Four Horsemen" still gets me every time.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Wow, Tesla?? Wouldn't have guessed that. I remember really liking "great radio controversy" back in the day, but never had that one though. Thanks, PP.

Keith C (lync0), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)

"Four Horsemen" absolutely kills. There are still radio stations out there that play it regularly.

Edward Bax (EdBax), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

I also got into Master and worked backward. I always liked Kill 'Em All, but it sounded primitive even compared to Ride the Lightning by the time I heard it. I imagine if it had been my introduction into Metallica, and metal, I would consider it classic. Right now I'd rather hear ...And Justice for All over Ride the Lightning if someone gave me a choice. Lyrically I like Kill 'Em All better than Justice, but who cares about lyrics?

josh in sf (stfu kthx), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

haha I got into them the same way...Master then backwards.

Kill 'em All is super loveable! so goony and nerdy but catchy (and great songs!)

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

so classic, made by metalheads for metalheads.

latebloomer: where dignity goes to die (latebloomer), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

I really hate the "meets" descriptions however calling Kill 'Em All Motorhead meets Diamond Head is about as accurate as it gets.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm a metalhead...and I vote.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:49 (twenty years ago)

six years pass...

This album always sounds better than I remember. Always. It's weird; I like the record when I think about it, but while it's playing I love the damn thing. It's perfect.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 29 June 2012 19:07 (thirteen years ago)

i love love love exactly half the songs and the other half, well i can totally admire what they were setting out to do and where all that manic energy and enthusiasm comes from, so i dig them too. it's almost a joyous album in a way.

charlie h, Saturday, 30 June 2012 03:46 (thirteen years ago)


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