This thread was inspired by a comment on the "dance is dead" thread. I don't want to just talk about "dance music" in the narrow sense it is used on that thread, but all music for dancing, or for social dancing anyway. (Merce Cunningham's dancing doesn't require music of any particular kind whatsoever, I suppose.)
It's true that all genres have their limitations (in order to be genres at all), but the regularity requiresd for dance genres is a very noticeable limitation (regardless of whether the genre house or salsa or something else).
I'm not down on music made for dancing. I think I may be noticing this more because I am slightly burned out on listening to music for dancing (salsa) but not going out and dancing very much. Even so, I've gotten used to mixing it up musically, over the years, so listening so much to a dance genre is somewhat alien to me.
― Al Andalous, Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Al Andalous, Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)
There are a lot of problems with making these generalizations, I admit. For one thing, it's not very clear how to fairly pick genres or sub-genres of the same size, in order to make comparisons.
― Al Andalous, Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)
but rock n' roll, punk, doowop, funk, hip hop, reggae, synth pop, indie-dance, house, techno, disco, garage, jungle, dancehall and heavy metal must all conform to this vague notion of recurring rhythmic patterns in order for people to dance to them in large congregations. of course you can TRY dancing to free improv...
― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)
i think the limitation is on what i hear when i go out to dance to house; hearing stuff like "the jump-off" on a regular basis is a new thing.
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)
And there is a fine art to creating the right effects within narrow conventions.
And dance genres with limited rhythms can do a million amazing things with textures.
― Keith McD (Keith McD), Saturday, 23 August 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)
I hope you realize that I haven't said that it does render dance music "inferior," and I've tried to avoid impying it either.
― Al Andalous, Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)
To me any genre that always uses the same instruments is just as noticeably limited as a genre that always uses the same beats or structures.
― Keith McD (Keith McD), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Al Andalous, Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― robin (robin), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― robin (robin), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― robin (robin), Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)
I haven't found electro difficult to dance to. I think electro favours a fleet-of-foot, twitchy kind of person who like to use their feet. I was a boxer when I was a kid, and I suddenly realised one night that I use my boxing technique, especially the footwork, when dancing to electro! For this reason perhaps I've always thought of electo as warrior music. It hits the feet. House is more pelvic. I think we need to take account of tempos when having this discussion, incidentally.
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Keith McD (Keith McD), Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― robin (robin), Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)
With elongated drum sounds, perhaps? That would make for a smeary-streaky, slow-time dance experience, like dancing on the moon.
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)
But anyway, I wanted to say that the unstated qualifier here is obviously "for listening purposes." I think that's the thing. When I'm dancing, there's no issue, but when I am sitting about my apartment, there's less reason to stick with those limits (though sometimes I still want to hear it, and sometimes it brings back some of the same feelings I get from dancing). That's all. For the purposes of dancing, music made for dancing is excellent. For other purposes, I sometimes find it unsatisfactory, but then again, not always.
(It's probably all just a personal issue which can be solved by my: listening a little less often to the Latin music I like.)
Also, I like tangent the thread has gone in, even though I don't know what electro sounds like enough to completely follow.
― Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)
see ppl dancing to the "Space" portion of a Dead show
― H (Heruy), Saturday, 23 August 2003 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)