are the neptunes very bad men?

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what does everyone make of this?

astroblaster (astroblaster), Saturday, 23 August 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

That's some dark shit. It probably won't end up in the other guy's favour but it may make some waves.

OTOH, if this somehow stops Pharrell appearing in any more videos and singing hooks in his borrowed falsetto...

Barima (Barima), Saturday, 23 August 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

wow. that sucks. poor guy.

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 23 August 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

its a shame that like to "his" beats seems to be inactive - probably for legal reasons i suppose.

jed_e_3 (jed_e_3), Saturday, 23 August 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

it could be too much server load too. i REALLY want to hear it too.

astroblaster (astroblaster), Saturday, 23 August 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

heres the article for people that cant see it:

As the Neptunes' Pharrell Williams and partner Chad Hugo launch their new album, Star Trak presents...Clones today in stores nationwide, they must do so amidst allegations from a young Canadian man who claims that Williams and his Star Trak Entertainment ripped off beats that he posted on their Web site.

In an exclusive interview with SOHH.com, 18-year old Joseph Zakoni accused Pharrell and Star Trak President and long-time Neptunes's manager Rob Walker of copying and manufacturing his beats - without consent - that were posted on the label's message board last April. Zakoni insists that Star Trak Entertainment strung him along into believing that he would eventually become a part of the Star Trak production team, including future plans to work with the likes of Super Cat, only to be duped while they manipulated his productions.

Hugo and Williams started Star Trak Entertainment with Walker after establishing a relationship with Arista Records and its President, Antonio "L.A." Reid. The deal entails that The Neptunes produce, develop and sign new artists to Star Trak, and Arista Records handle all marketing, promotion, sales and distribution responsibilities for the new label. Zakoni says he was initially contacted by the label after he posted some of his beats on their website under the username, "knukurru."

"They [Walker and Williams] discovered me online last April on their message board," said Zakoni via e-mail from Canada. "They basically flew out to meet me [in Canada], and promised to give me money to buy equipment, since all I used [to create beats] is this sh!tty software stuff."

It was from that meeting, which took place at Canada's Much Music Studios, that Zakoni realized that Walker and Williams were really interested in his style of production - which coincidently took Zakoni by surprise. "I was reluctant from the start, because like, I didn't really give a sh!t about it much," Zakoni says, who insists that making beats up until then was strictly a hobby. "But they kept getting all excited about having me on their team or whatever."

In August, Joseph Zakoni says he met up again with Williams and his group, N.E.R.D. (No One Ever Really Dies) at the Warped Tour. He received V.I.P. tickets from Rob Walker to attend the event, and it was there that he turned over more beats to Pharrell to pass on to Walker. Since that last meeting, Zakoni insists he has heard nothing more from Williams, Walker or anyone at Star Trak. However, months after he noticed that Pharrell and The Neptunes had begun to incorporate his productions into theirs.

"They flew me out to New York once," Zakoni recalls of a previous encounter, "and I walked into the studio and was like, 'Oh awesome! They're playing my beat...wait a minute...', and [then I realized] it was that 'ni99a Please,' Jay-Z bullsh!t." Zakoni has gone so far as to present to SOHH.com what he calls proof of the theft -- an MP3 that displays the shocking similarities between his original production and Neptune-produced Jay-Z track. Other tracks that Zakoni alleges The Neptunes stole from his collection are tracks by Canadian/Jamaican-descent rapper Kardinall Offishall ("Belly Dancer") and Nas ("Flyest Angel") - which is currently receiving modest play on radio, and sits at #29 on New York's Hot 97's (WQHT) play list.

Zakoni said he's sought legal advice on the matter, and although he has a strong suit against the Neptunes and Star Trak, the case would have to be prosecuted in New York City and he does not have the funds to go ahead with any legal actions. His attempts to rectify the situation with Star Trak Entertainment, Rob Walker and Pharrell Williams have gone stale, and he's received unpleasant phone calls from Walker and company requesting that the allegations cease. "Yeah, they phoned me up with a courtesy call, more like a threat, basically [telling me] to shut the f#@$ up," said Zakoni. All calls made by SOHH.com to Rob Walker and Star Trak Entertainment regarding the allegations were not returned.

While The Neptunes continue to blaze their path of success with their unique, and unorthodox-style beats, Zakoni can only sulk with his belief that part of their reputation is based on his hard work. "I got really angry one day after I heard Pharrell say [in one of his rhymes] 'I hand out styles like ice cream cones' in that 'Hot Damn Remix'. I was like, 'yeah, [and] one of those styles is mine, you f#@$.' He's said some other underhanded stuff [pertaining to me] in his lyrics, like in the hook for the 'Belly Dancer' remix."

Clones will no doubt raise the bar that has already exceeded rock-star status for The Neptunes. The LP will include tracks from Busta Rhymes, Kelis, Clipse, Ludacris, Nelly, N.O.R.E, and many more top-notch artists in hip-hop and R&B. But all Joseph Zakoni wants is retribution, and a bit of respect for the art that he created - the art he alleges Williams and Star Trak Entertainment took away from him.

As for his story, Zakoni says he could really "give a sh!t less if people believe it or not." "There's nothing concrete that you can judge about an idea, an intention, a situation," says Zakoni. "Anyone who understands the situation believes me. Anyone who visits their forums believes me, because they saw the whole [thing] play out. It's that simple. I'm presenting the alternative, so people can do whatever they want with it...I don't give a f#@$. It [the story] is out there."

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 23 August 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

no, the linnk on the article that is supposed to show the similarities between the two beats isnt working. i bet its probably due to too much traffic.

tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Saturday, 23 August 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

if anyone does manage to get it, from the site above or from other sources, please share!

astroblaster (astroblaster), Saturday, 23 August 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

you can't copyright no beat!

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

besides, his case is incredibly flimsy. how is he going to prove that the mp3 that he posted on their bulletin board is the same one that he's trying to present today? and what would that prove anyway? the whole point of copyright law is to protect PUBLISHED work, you can't sue someone for ripping off your ideas.

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, as I understand it -- this has come up in copyright discussions I've been involved in via my library work -- copyright as it now stands in American law is granted upon moment of creation and presentation. To draw an inexact parallel, if I wrote an essay and put it on a webpage, it is copyrighted to me. A similar legal case could exist here as a result.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

in other news, every musician in jamaica files a lawsuit.

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Stranger has occurred.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway, doesn't that just means that i can't print or quote your essay in my newspaper? there's nothing that says i can't write a new essay on the same topic making the same points in similar language.

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"My Sweet Lord"/"He's So Fine" to thread

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

"i was satirizing his beats, your honor"

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

if I'd made those shitty beats he's claiming responsibility for ("Nigga Please", "Belly Dancer"), I'd keep it to myself. maybe the Neps aren't falling off, they're just making poor choices on who to steal from.

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 24 August 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Um, it's hiphop? Sampling? Ok s the kid (if it's true) didn't get royalties, but he got to ang out with them and got privilige tickets and so on. Like, arsed. I had an advertising company I had an interview with nick my idea for a wine campaighn which is now plasted all over the tube and stuff; this shit happens. I'm not arsed and I'm sure this kid wont be. If he's any good he'll set up on his own and this'll all be forgotten when he leads Xtina to number 1.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 24 August 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

you'd think Pharrell and co. would chuck him a few dollars either way - seeing as they can afford it. but yeah, cosnidering how minimal most Neptunes productions are and how much they 'borrow' from external sources and recycle their own shit in general it seems a bit odd to get so possessive about.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 24 August 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"if I'd made those shitty beats he's claiming responsibility for ("Nigga Please", "Belly Dancer"), I'd keep it to myself. maybe the Neps aren't falling off, they're just making poor choices on who to steal from."

WTF? "Nigga Please" is like one of the best Nep tracks ever!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 25 August 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Also if they stole that beat off this guy then surely they could counter-sue for his hopeless derivativeness. Even if that wasn't credited to The Neptunes everyone would call it a Neptunes beat.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 25 August 2003 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

belly dancer is amazing too!

minna (minna), Monday, 25 August 2003 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

My favorite thing about that article, is the words they use in stead of swear words. "Nigga = Ni99a"

I can't even begin to understand the point of that.

David Allen, Monday, 25 August 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe the same reason the ODB album was N**** Please?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 25 August 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i think its fucked if they stole his beats. if you guys are this its dumb to be possesive about your music then let me fuck your wife. shes just your wife.

chaki (chaki), Monday, 25 August 2003 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"take my beats.... PLEASE"

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 25 August 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, "nigga please" is fantastic, i'm suprised that that's the stolen beat, cos it always struck me as the neps strapping an acoustic guitar to their pony and squeezing one more good trick out of him. but that track's got this great elasticity to it (and it help's that the jay's so good on it - "the dog noses with the FOLgers on 'em").

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 25 August 2003 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

helps

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 25 August 2003 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

("the jay's"? it's too early to be posting.)

mitch lastnamewithhel (mitchlnw), Monday, 25 August 2003 06:22 (twenty-two years ago)

sixteen years pass...

killed a lot of ppl iirc

genital giant (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 April 2020 14:50 (five years ago)


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