What did geir listen to when he was 14 years old?

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Geir You can play five records for a say, I don't know, 14-year-old, to help turn them on to good music -- what do you pick?

So what did YOU listen to at 14? Name 10 bands or so
and at ages 20, 25. 30 and currently too?

― Roseanne, Friday, 29 August 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

here we go again!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

When I was 14, I listened to Howard Jones, Thompson Twins, Culture Club, Human League, Alphaville, a-ha, and whatever Vince Clarke would come up with.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

No Genesis?!

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Stop objectifying Geir.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

At 14, "Mama" was a song that I quite liked a couple of years ago. I did like Phil Collins though, particularly "Against All Odds" (which was released when I was 13)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Besides, some of Howard Jones' output at the time was heavily influenced by 70s Genesis (not that I realised at the time)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

and what did you listen to as you got older? Ages 18, 20,25, 30 and now, geir?

― Roseanne`, Friday, 29 August 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw. At 20: Depeche Mode (first and foremost), Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, and anything that was more remiscent of the 80s than typical 1990 music.

At 25: Britpop! But also having discovered a lot of old stuff like Beatles, Genesis and 10cc just prior to Britpop becoming huge.

At 30: Same as now: Travis, Coldplay, Doves, Electric Soft Parade. But also a lot of oldies.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

And welcome back Geir. Good to see you weren't driven away.
Whats your favorite era of pop music ?

― Roseanne, Friday, 29 August 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

At 30 I had also started to respect some electronica with a more free-form approach to melody. But only for its production and synth sounds, never for its musical structures.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

NEVER!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir do you like the Raspberries?

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Stop objecting to Geir.

― David. (Cozen), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see why people think it's okay to single out and ridicule Geir this way. His tastes may not be the typical indie-schmindie stuff you get on ILM but I don't think that gives people the right to be scornful and dismissive.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

very true, and I regret making my snide little remark

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you like any alt.country , Geir? Some great stuff there.

― Markus, Friday, 29 August 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Larcole were you here when Geir was telling people who didn't accept his "melody is a more advanced form of musical expression than rhythm" that they were idiots?

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't start a thread to ridicule Geir. He's been gone quite a long while and many don't know his musical interests. I for one am glad to see him back. It's always good to see someone who has differing views and he's never anything but polite. I find him quite interesting.

― Roseanne, Friday, 29 August 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I obviously missed that too then, J0hn.

― Roseanne, Friday, 29 August 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed it too, but so what, even if he name-called, why does that make it more acceptable for us to do it?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Larcole were you here when Geir was telling people who didn't accept his "melody is a more advanced form of musical expression than rhythm" that they were idiots?

I must have missed that. But in my experience Geir expresses his theories on melody and the people who disagree start resorting to ridicule, etc. I have not seen Geir do this.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

do you like Gary Numan, Geir? given yer love of synthpop, his absence from yer lists is rather conspicuous.

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Answering the question before Larcole's most recent post:

Because he has yet to actually engage in the give-and-take of debate. People go out of their way to try and get him to hear the other sides of arguments, but Geir's not having any of it: if you don't believe what he believes with regard to melody and harmony, i.e. that the development thereof by 1) European composers and 2) mainly English rock bands is the be-all and the end-all of western music, then you've missed the point. He doesn't name-call; he just displays an uncanny ability to completely ignore what everybody says. Also, his thread-derailing skillz are without peer, to the point of (as an imaginary f'rexample) coming in on a "Pick Only One Song Featuring Nile Rogers" thread and pointing out/insisting that Chic could never be as good as the Beatles. Even though everybody knows that Chic are leagues better than the Beatles.

So, yeah. The only real sine-qua-non for ilx, besides a professed love of the wacky things that happen when everybody lezzes up, is a willingness to engage in discussion. Good discussions are what make ilx fun. Geir doesn't discuss, and his opinions are set firmly in stone, and it gets really, really frustrating to have to hear them again & again when you could just as easily post as Geir and say exactly what he was going to say.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I still don't think that makes it acceptable to bash him personally. This kind of petty ridicule is what makes people like C*lum think it's acceptable to post the kind of juvenile trash they do.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Here, for example, is a post from Geir on the "five records for a 14-year-old" thread:

However, I think that a 14YO is too young to be able to spot good music anyway, particularly if he is into non-music stuff like hip-hop, nu metal or other styles like those.

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), August 29th, 2003.

His repeated reliance on the term "nonmusical" to mean "stuff I don't like" is insulting, and full of shit besides.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I have not seen Geir do this.

No, Geirbot instead kills threads (every single one when in top form) with his unending, unchanging, unbending war on rhythm. He's every bit as annoying C4llum and Spooner in this regard.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

And people starting a million threads about him makes the situation better how?

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Makes us feel better.

Notes from a longer post I gave up on:

*a compelling case can be made that 14-year-olds are BETTER qualified to pass musical judgements, esp. in re: pop music, than old people
* "hip-hop, nu metal or other styles like those"...I mean where does one begin
* etc

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps, but it certainly doesn't make the board any better.

― Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah but once a thread's been Hongroed you'd be hard-pressed to make it worse

I am not usually unkind, and have even attempted actual debate with C*lum, but the Geirbot's "rhythm < melody" schtick got old, like, a year or two before I even got here

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I can only imagine what it must be like for those who went through the same thing with A.M.A.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

J0hn stop being an asshole.

Geir, do you like Nick Drake?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 29 August 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

b-b-b-but J0hn is right on an essential point: Geir does not interact, he pontificates.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 29 August 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

does anyone remember that text program for the apple ii where you type in anything and a "psychiatrist" responds with one of about 20 banal expressions?

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Eliza.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Geirliza for the iMac!
Comes with a bunch of attachments and plug-ins!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

larcole = otm x 100000000000000000

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

AMA> Geir, do you think Dean has a chance at the Presidency?
GEIR> More melody.
AMA> The situation with Kobe Bryant really is lamentable, isn't it?
GEIR> That is not real music.
AMA> My, it's a beautiful day?
GEIR> The perfect song would be Bach with a backbeat.
AMA> Geir, are you listening to me?
GEIR> My favorite Genesis album is Selling England by the Pound.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

AMA> Well, I'm going up to get some snacks. Want any?
GEIR> My favorite Genesis album is Selling England by the Pound.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

AMA> Geir, what do you think of African music?
GEIR> That is not music.
AMA> Geir, what do you think of idm?
GEIR> That is not music.
AMA> Geir, what do you think of funk?
GEIR> That is not music.
AMA> Geir, what do you think of gamelan?
GEIR> That is not music.
AMA> Geir, what do you think of John Cage?
GEIR> That is not music.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 29 August 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

stop being assholes, you guys, Geir deserves a 1,000,000th chance to prove us all wrong

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

geir doesn't derail threads, everyone else does when they jump all over themselves to be the one who finally proves him wrong

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

well I'd never talk to geir abt music or try to engage him in any discussion bcz he comes across as if he has all the answers but if ppl try to chat to him or even being abusive towards then that means he is being effective.

so yes, you have to ignore the guy. his opinion rhythm < melody schtick is a great one tho'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Its hard to ignore when he replies to every single other posts with the same gierbot replies. In one week on ILM he was able to out post a month of every other poster including Ned.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

He's incredibly easy to ignore, you just don't respond to him (strictly speaking, you shouldn't talk about him in the third person either, since he's right here or can be).

As it stands I already had my war with him back in 1995 or so on a.m.a. and I really couldn't care less about his thoughts. That said, he does mostly talk in strictures rather than discussion points, and on a board dedicated to discussion, it's easy to see why he frustrates and annoys. I'm not surprised people are annoyed with him, and I'm surprised why anyone couldn't see that he CAN readily and very understandably annoy just by being himself.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir Hongro - Classic or Dud?

Wow, time flies when you're having fun.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Noodles you can't argue with him bcz he has nothing much to say bar regurgitate his schtick.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

He makes it difficult to follow a thread. With geirbot about you have to ignore every second post.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

he has never got going unless encouraged. really noddles.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

(i hate all you fuckers who diss gier, but shot those who like him)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

but shot?

― robin (robin), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Pashmina I know you think I'm being a pompous ass on this thread but I gotta give you k-heavy props for quoting my favorite ilx post OF ALL TIME

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

(i don't think yer being a pompous ass at all j0hn, i just get sick of geir threads)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 29 August 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Trying to answer some questions.

Yes, I like some alt.country (particularly if the country roots are kind of abandoned - Wilco and Jayhawks are both great)

Yes, I like Nick Drake, even though I find "Pink Moon" a bit underproduced

As for Gary Numan, not that fond of him. And this is the melody thing. Cool arrangements for sure, but he never showed the same gift as a songsmith that, for instance, Martin Gore, Vince Clarke or Phil Oakey did later.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Cool arrangements for sure, but he never showed the same gift as a songsmith that, for instance, Martin Gore, Vince Clarke or Phil Oakey did later

!!!

But but but!!! The whole thing that makes Numan's melodies so ace is how he's "consciously"/overtly anyway trying to avoid blues-based melodic leaps EVEN AS he's making some fairly standard blues moves in the mid-later stuff ("Cars" the classic example). All respect to Mssrs. Gore Clarke and Oakey but none of them have a "Down In the Park" in them

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

"Down In The Park" is a great song. As for the rest, yes, he tried, but I would say he didn't suceed. There isn't a receipt to writing good songs (but, yes, there are receipts to what you should not do, which is where most blues/R&B/funk/soul/dance songwriters fail...)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir rules. Please come visit England soon!

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

"down in the park," which has a wonderful melody, is precisely what prompted me to ask you whether you liked gary numan, geir. the rest is pretty consistent to what i'd thought you would say.

and john -- "DITP" notwithstanding and considering how rhythmic numan's classic stuff is (esp. in comparison to Depeche Mode and Human League), can you really be all that surprised that geir doesn't like numan all that much?

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, no, but you know how my arguing style is, it's real childish (NB I'm not being sarcastic, this is a major failing of mine): find counterexample to the argument, then declare victory. Numan meets pretty much all of Geir's criteria for good rock music ("Listen to the Sirens" all in one song, practically! well OK there's not a lot of harmony in there I guess), and his other techno choices are suspiciously blues-based for his tastes (Vince Clark especially, whose love of Motown is apparent in everything he writes), but there is the rhythm problem. Can't be bringin' those loud crashing sounds in too much, I guess.

Did anybody besides me love Numan's 94 or 95 album, I think it was called "Sacrifice"? I haven't heard in since '96 and the tunes are still in my BRAIN

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

It's pretty damn beautiful, good sir. I know Stephin Merritt is a big fan of that album as well.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 30 August 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

i don't think that geir ever WAS 14. that would mean that at least at one point he LIKED rhythm. i find that concept hard to grasp.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 22 November 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

What does being 14 have to do with liking rhythm?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 23 November 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

― Dr. Yakubius (and what), Friday, 19 December 2008 21:57 (seventeen years ago)

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