Jazz stars linked to mental illness. Being A Jazz Musician Are You More Likely To Suffer From Mental Conditions Or Drug Dependency?

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Many of the great names in the jazz world had lives blighted by mental illness, abuse, and drugs, say researchers.

Many of the great names in the jazz world had lives blighted by mental illness, abuse, and drugs, say researchers.
They say that the artistic creativity associated with maestros such as Miles Davis may go hand in hand with an increased risk of mental problems.

Dr Geoffrey Wills, a psychologist from Stockport, Greater Manchester, looked at the biographies of 40 world-renowned musicians.

He found that those he studied appeared eight times more likely to have suffered from drug dependency.

Dr Wills also found that mood disorders appeared to be four times more likely among this group of jazz greats.

The psychologist said that he was not trying to imply that all jazz musicians had such problems, but that they shared the same vulnerability to mental health problems as other creative types such as writers and artists.

Golden age

Dr Wills focused on what is described as the "golden era" for US modern jazz between 1945 and 1960.

He found that of 40 musicians studied, four had family histories of psychiatric disorders.

For example, saxophonist Art Pepper's parents suffered alcohol-related problems, and Stan Getz's mother suffered from depression.

I am not trying to say that all jazz musicians are crazy, but I have highlighted a trend in mental health problems that is comparable to other creative people

Dr Geoffrey Wills, study author
Drug addiction was also common - more than half of the 40 were described as addicted to heroin at some point in their lives.

Miles Davis, Art Pepper and Bill Evans all developed a powerful cocaine habit, said Dr Wills.

However, he noted that heroin use was widespread among jazz musicians at the time as a vast supply of the drug was targeted at black urban neighbourhoods.

He said: "Modern jazz was a revolutionary music that was rejected by the general public, and heroin, like the music, was defiantly anti-establishment."

Mental illness

In addition, 11 of the musicians were reportedly dependent on alcohol and six had suffered some form of abuse.

There was a disproportionately high number of suicides within the group, and mood disorders were rife.

Pianist Bud Powell was admitted several times to psychiatric hospitals and diagnosed with schizophrenia - and Miles Davis reportedly suffered paranoid delusions and hallucinations.

Art Pepper, again, suffered from obsessive-compulsive handwashing rituals and a phobia about the sight of blood and answering the telephone.

Dr Wills said: "I am not trying to say that all jazz musicians are crazy, but I have highlighted a trend in mental health problems that is comparable to other creative people."

The research was published in the British Journal of Psychiatry.

Winston Bray, Tuesday, 2 September 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Mental illness 'at the root of jazz'

The mental health problems of one musician could have led to the creation of jazz.
Without his schizophrenia, Charles "Buddy" Bolden - the man credited by some with starting off the jazz movement - might never have started improvisation, psychiatrists have heard.

And without this style change, music might never have evolved from ragtime into the jazz movement we know today.

Professor Dr Sean Spence, of the department of psychiatry at the University of Sheffield, was speaking to representatives at the Royal College of Psychiatrists' annual conference.

He said jazz music arose from the attempts of a cognitively impaired performer to execute novel performances.

If we had not had this improvised music then it would just have continued as ragtime

Dr Sean Spence

He said that Bolden's mental health problems meant his motor functions were impaired.

Bolden could not read music and the only way he was able to play his cornet was by improvising.

Dr Spence said: "It may be that he had to improvise because he could not play tunes in a useful way.

"He could not read music and he had to make up things as he went on.

"If we had not had this improvised music then it would just have continued as ragtime."

Dr Spence said that Bolden was diagnosed as suffering from "dementia praecox", which later became known as schizophrenia.

Ragtime to jazz

Although no recordings of his music survive, Bolden is widely considered to have started the jazz movement, which was officially recognised in 1917.

Bolden was famous for his big bold cornet sound and although his music had a solid blues form it was closer to ragtime than to jazz.

He lived and played at the beginning of the twentieth century, leading a band that was most successful between 1900 and 1906.

Bolden's playing style was extremely popular. At one point he played with eight bands at one time.

But by 1906 Bolden's mental health had started to deteriorate and the next year, after attacking his mother and mother-in-law in the street, he was committed to a mental hospital outside New Orleans.

Bolden remained in the mental hospital until his death 24 years later.

Pete King, the co-founder of the Ronnie Scott's club, said; "Bolden might have had schizophrenia, but that doesn't take away from his incredible talent."

Winston Bray, Tuesday, 2 September 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

That is some silly and near-racist bullshit. Improvisation has been for centuries in other forms of music, and its development in black American music was the result of a gradual and logical development.
And I find it hard to believe that Bud Powell's genius (for ex.) was linked to his psychiatric problems...the fact that he was hospitalized as a drug addict and given repeated unnecessary shock treatments might have something to do with it though.

That said, the really great jazz musicians I have met have definitely been some interesting people.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

If the theory stated:
Many of the great names in the Jazz, Metal, Hip-Hop, Punk, Funk, Country, Rock and Pop world had lives blighted by mental illness, abuse, and drugs, say researchers.
I would've vouched for it.
As it stands, its probably closer to the truth to say (pick at least one: mental illness|bad druf habits|addictive personalities|irrational behaviour) is a common trait in alot of "creative types", especially musicians.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah...we all should watch out for those druf problems...

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought you meant dandruff, and I was all like, hooray, I'm showing signs of being a creative genius. But I'm not, am I?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

blah blah blah ... romantic fallacy to thread ...

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought you meant dandruff, and I was all like, hooray, I'm showing signs of being a creative genius. But I'm not, am I?
either that Horace, or you got a bad batch from your druf dealer.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

*despairs at failing to think of anything with some truf in it*

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Was 1945-60 REALLY the golden age of jazz?
Whats wrong with 1960-1975? Is that still not recognised by purists as 'proper jazz'? Damn you Crouch/Marsalis

Liam, Tuesday, 2 September 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

One of my coworkers was just asking about this today as research for her PhD. Bizarre.

No more than any other creative art, surely?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn you Crouch/Marsalis

Yeah, ain't that the truf!
No, seriously.

As per the thread question, I don't believe that singling out jazz musicians makes any sense in this context, either. Damn bloody obvious, really.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

But is this just a jazz thing...?

Syd Barret
Brian Wilson
Keith Moon
Arthur Lee
Kurt Cobain
Ian Curtis
Jim Morrison

even Robert Schumann....

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm. Forgot about Michael Jackson and Prince

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Blind Tom Wiggins to thread

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 2 September 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(I can't think of any other classical musicians w/mental disorders)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 2 September 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

er, that guy from that australian movie you dummy ;)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

How many classical musicians have to go through the kind of pressure/need for inspiration, however-you-think-you-can-get-your-hands-on-it, engendered by writing one's own material?

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

also, how many of us know a lot about the personal lives of classical musicians as opposed to other genres? I really love Gergiev's conducting, and have a few of his discs, but I have no idea if he has any problems.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw him last week wearing seaweed for clothes.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

No doubt the NME will somehow turn this story into a Libertines thing "so the kids can understand"

Billy N, Wednesday, 3 September 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

One thought: how many musicians would be notably less well known if NOT for their mental/personality problems?

PR Advice: get a half-dozen "psychotic break" incidents in there -- you'll thank me later.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Wednesday, 3 September 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The more interesting question here is, as people have mentioned, are jazz musicians under more pressure creatively because they're constantly soloing/improvising/interacting?

I would say no, not when it's what you do all the time. Writing material that stands up every time is just as strenuous in its own way, I think it can be relaxing to play jazz and have everything be of the moment.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 5 September 2003 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)


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