Louise Wener - classic or CLASSIC?

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Lets face it, she had severely lickable pins.

Calzer (Calzer), Wednesday, 3 September 2003 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Wener should have made a comeback in a sexy Playboy channel hosting role.

Calzer (Calzer), Wednesday, 3 September 2003 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

uh?!

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 4 September 2003 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck off. idiot woman. i know you were waiting for this sort of answer, but go, she made such a fule of herself on Live Forever (despite being apparently the only woman in indie 1993-9). it wasn't her fault, since obviously they decided to ignore Sonya, Marijne, Debbie, Justine, Donna et al, but still..."Inbetweener" was fab, er..."Delicious" was cool...otherwise...tricky.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 4 September 2003 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

has anyone read her book?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 4 September 2003 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm so impossibly well-inclined towards Louise Wener, classic all the way. She was fucking brilliant.

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Friday, 5 September 2003 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

one great thing about her since she became a novelist is that she seems to have developed a second facial expression. Well done Louise!

I also like the way the biographical information on her books goes to great lengths to tell you how successful Sleeper were. If Sleeper had actually been that successful the bio would just say "Louise Wener used to front Sleeper".

having said that, she did give good interview back in the early days of her band. and she seemed to be saying genuinely insightful things about Britpop in a retrospective article on it I saw recently somewhere.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 5 September 2003 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Dud.

I see her in Budgens all the time looking hassled. Probably waiting on 'fans' to rush up for her autograph. Instead she gets glares in the Budgens line-up as she looks for the star treatment from the bored Jamaican shop assistant.

Pushing in front of her in the que is classic.

Her second novel is perhaps the greatest literary crime since Paul Morley's 'Music and Words' - any ole crap gets the treatment in the UK nowadays. Note to self: Buy more cocaine in order to get more publicity.

False Name, Friday, 5 September 2003 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

why do you read books you don't like?

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 5 September 2003 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"Goodnight Steve McQueen" is not very good.

She has a very irritating speaking voice.

I actually dislike her more than I dislike her music, but can't justify why. I have nothing at all against Sleeper per se, but there's just something very annoying about Louise Wener. Possibly the way she was touted as the voice of indie females everywhere when I didn't think she was.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 September 2003 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

she slipped a bracelet made of plastic dayglo love-hearts
off her wrist and gave it to me, sometime back in 1995.

it's been a funny old life.

piscesboy, Saturday, 6 September 2003 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Very un-classic. Seems to believe she's much more intelligent than she appears to be.

Inbetweener is a good song. All the rest (that I heard) was crap.

Keith Watson (kmw), Saturday, 6 September 2003 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Dirty or is that Dirrty?

I read the book to feel superior, obviously.

False Name, Saturday, 6 September 2003 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

'Vegas' was alright....or i could be lyin'. she came off better in Live Forever than i expected too.

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 6 September 2003 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

for all you know I could've been in Sleeper. for all i know as well.

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 6 September 2003 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't remember the tunes much, but I remember her being quite easy on the eyes. I much preferred Echobelly at the time.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200_web/drp100/p168/p16824csjp8.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 September 2003 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to know what happened to the Sleeperblokes.

cis (cis), Sunday, 7 September 2003 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/cinerama/premier/359/louise_werner2.jpg

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

GAWRSH!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 September 2003 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
Louise sure has nice nips.

C-Man (C-Man), Sunday, 4 January 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

This is where I resist telling my Louise Wener story for once.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 4 January 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh go on.

C-Man (C-Man), Sunday, 4 January 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

does it involve any or all of the following words: 'she rubbed them with ice cubes before every gig' perchance?

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 4 January 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

That's the Louise temples story and you've kinda given it away

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 4 January 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, I remember it.

Anyhow, I bought an old "Volume" compilation for 10p at Age Concern recently, and so reminded myself how good "Pyrotechnician" was.

Although my misheared lyric of "Kiss your fringes goodbye" was miles better.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 January 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

> I want to know what happened to the Sleeperblokes.

according to allmusic guitar-sleeperbloke and drums-sleeperbloke both played on Mel C's Reason.

i seem to remember one of them moving to la and producing/managing rubbish-y alternapop-bands, but I could be mistaken.

(jg) ((jg)), Monday, 5 January 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

She still makes me feel less sexual than almost any other female singer ever.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 5 January 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Sort of like an old girlfriend....

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 January 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Whats creepy about the photo above is that from the neck up she looks like Nick Rhodes from back in his Duran Duran days.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Sleeper were rubbish.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

In truth I envy Piscesboy. Yet I agree with Keith W.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Hello Louise Wener thread, it's always nice to see you again...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

My fav. Louise Wener story was the time the fanboy who ran a very professional Sleeper fan site met her in the street (some years after the band had folded) and gave her some CDR's he'd designed and made of the albums with the extra tracks from b-sides, freebie singles and other oddities. She was flattered, took them away, and within the week her management had slapped a 'cease and desist' notice on the fansite.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
i have a soft spot for her.
goodnight steve mcqueen is a quite pretty novel, maybe a bit naif but nice.
sleeper had some good tunes as well and some top bsides as well (disco duncan, bedside manners).
CLASSIC

hub, Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

I used to like the way she blinked. Classic.

ratty, Friday, 6 January 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

Actually you could make a ten track 'best of sleeper' which if you avoided all (or most) of the 'automatic' selections (i.e. the hits) would be a very fine album indeed.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 6 January 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

.. but they had to make total rubbish like "best of luck mr Gorski" which by the way i NEVER believed as a 'tale'

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 6 January 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

He should've said 'half your luck Mr Gorski' anyway.

ratty, Friday, 6 January 2006 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

1- alice in vain
2- bedhead
3- pyrotechnician
4- delicious
5- bedside manners
6- inbetweener
7- disco duncan
8- what do i do now?
9- sale of the century
10- package holiday
11- shwrinkwrapped

hub, Sunday, 8 January 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

I find the Gorsky/Neil Armstrong tale pretty funny, actually.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 9 January 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe so, but it's untrue.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mrgorsky.htm

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 9 January 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

i loved statuesque and its lyrics

stella, Monday, 9 January 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

She may have been good looking, but deserves to be remembered for such GREAT songs as "Sale Of The Century" and "What Do I Do Now"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 9 January 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

That list:

Swap 6. Swallow for Inbetweener, delete 8 and add "She's a good girl" at the end, and I'd burn that one!

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 9 January 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

i agree with what i said in september 2003.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I don't think she made a fool of herself. Not on "Live Forever" anyway.

I think she said the most prescient thing about hearing Robbie's "Angels" and realising that it was back to earth time if the mainstream artists could do the 'britpop' angle.

She did make a complete arse of herself
1) when relating what 'inbetweener' was about, stating that her parents were so 'inbetweeners' that got stuck together. That must have been nice for them to hear.
2) I got a mailing about her third album, the LP version was a big blowup pic of herself at age five, pigtails, braces, and was meant to be "Hey, look how it all worked out for me!" along with a competition to win a silver disc of the album. (Well, when it's gone platinum, who cares about the silver ones) My guess is that it didn't make bronze.

I'd add the story above (the fan, the CDR, the cease/desist), but I don't think that was all her doing, and fair enough anyway.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

that list:

add twisted and feeling peaky.

stella, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Twisted. Aha a ha ha

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

wrong singles choice on third album.
you got me should have been first single.

stella, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

oops!
forgot c'mon c'mon bside to she's a good girl- that's a great piece of a song.

hub, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

Grout, I got that mailing too - I think - or it was on the record or whatever - but I was not sure that that was what it was supposed to mean.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

"Sold your old punk records/
Read the book instead/
You lost your sense of humour/
But you kept The Queen Is Dead"

A dangerous combination indeed, that lyric always rang true.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

what does "a band i was involved with" mean?

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/06/the_bands_the_press_love_to_ha.html

banriquit, Thursday, 19 June 2008 13:49 (sixteen years ago)

It means "has been referred to a debt collection agency."

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 19 June 2008 13:52 (sixteen years ago)

Ben Wardle is a writer, artist manager and music consultant.

DG, Thursday, 19 June 2008 13:52 (sixteen years ago)

"county court judgements"

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 19 June 2008 13:54 (sixteen years ago)

A group I was involved with, Sleeper, never enjoyed the easy Britpop ride that some other bands had in the mid-90s. And when they ended up outselling many of them, the press really got the knives out.

Sold more than whom? Shed Seven? Dodgy? Oasis?

Neil S, Thursday, 19 June 2008 13:58 (sixteen years ago)

I see her in Budgens all the time looking hassled. Probably waiting on 'fans' to rush up for her autograph. Instead she gets glares in the Budgens line-up as she looks for the star treatment from the bored Jamaican shop assistant.

Pushing in front of her in the que is classic.

Her second novel is perhaps the greatest literary crime since Paul Morley's 'Music and Words' - any ole crap gets the treatment in the UK nowadays. Note to self: Buy more cocaine in order to get more publicity.

-- False Name, Friday, 5 September 2003 13:54 (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

^^^wonder what happened to this guy

DJ Mencap, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:01 (sixteen years ago)

Sleeper are/were even worse than the Manic Street Preachers.

I am using your worlds, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:02 (sixteen years ago)

^^^wonder what happened to this guy

-- DJ Mencap, Thursday, 19 June 2008 15:01 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

www.thequietus.com

The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:06 (sixteen years ago)

After all, consider whose music gets the most press acclaim from the 70s: T-Rex, Abba and Slade - the smug, formulaic, big-selling pop music of the day.

What does this even mean? Pick one? or All of them? Or, less than Led Zep?

Did LZ get so much hate? I don't remember that, but then I wouldn't as I was more aware of them from 1975 or so onwards, and everyone loved them then! (xcept me)

Mark G, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:14 (sixteen years ago)

Did this guy seriously just call T-Rex, Abba and Slade smug and formulaic?

Tom D., Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:17 (sixteen years ago)

Guardian blog, innit?

I am using your worlds, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:20 (sixteen years ago)

Oh right, so they were all the old Coldplay.

oergh?

Mark G, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:20 (sixteen years ago)

This must be irony?

Tom D., Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:20 (sixteen years ago)

What supermodel does Gary Lightsabre go out with?

Tom D., Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:21 (sixteen years ago)

Pot, kettle, black innit.

Neil S, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:21 (sixteen years ago)

The "T-Rex, Abba and Slade - the smug, formulaic, big-selling pop music of the day" quote, that is.

Neil S, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:22 (sixteen years ago)

The Bee Gees, for example, have since Saturday Night Fever been perceived as a big-haired, tight-trousered cabaret act....

Errrrrrrr, by Clive Anderson

Tom D., Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:22 (sixteen years ago)

OK, it's time for some creative condensing here:

When Chris Martin walked out, a gleeful press relished the thought of mauling Alan McGee's famous "bedwetters" alongside James Blunt and Andy Gill - he doesn't know a single person. the White Stripes carefully placed a chord despite the best efforts of Led Zeppelin - upstarts who had nothing to do with the approved Led Zeppelin records, the third album suffering scrubbed up Bee Gees, who have written as many classics as tossers.

Sleeper ended up outselling knives. Louise Wener, who it must be said, was fond of the Boo Radleys "because they look like journalists".

Is James Blunt just like supermodels?

Whatever, it seems Chris Martin just needs to wait a while to get some Abba pop music.

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:31 (sixteen years ago)

stop making sense.

Mark G, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:34 (sixteen years ago)

OK:

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Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:37 (sixteen years ago)

Good God, the last sentence there could have been written by Geir.

aldo, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:38 (sixteen years ago)

great-vendendo music pop of the day.

Mark G, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:41 (sixteen years ago)

Comstock, shurely?

DJ Mencap, Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:41 (sixteen years ago)

Chris Martin walked out of a Radio last week muttering. Martin's eight famous "bedwetters", Coldplay, hate Phil Collins, Supertramp, Sting, and, more recently, James Blunt, Snow Patrol and Keane.

So what is it about this Andy Gill - he doesn't know a single person. Gill's friends have the Vampire on the table, butchering their younger brother and suffering the most.

scrubbed black Bee Gees, tight-trousered Beatles, they stormed out of Clive Anderson, he never enjoyed the ride, ended up outselling Louise Wener, who was fond of a middle-class guy who happens to be earning millions.

Whatever, it seems Chris Martin just needs to wait a while to get smug, formulaic.

Tom D., Thursday, 19 June 2008 14:50 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

the pinefox, Friday, 17 October 2008 15:37 (sixteen years ago)

Wener looks fine here ... but Tony Parsons (wtf??) doesn't

the pinefox, Friday, 17 October 2008 15:39 (sixteen years ago)

She's as smart as she is talented.

Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 October 2008 15:40 (sixteen years ago)


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