The horrifying, very bonkers thought that Anthony Miccio might very well be right about Limp Bizkit's "Eat Me Alive"...

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...assuming, of course, that you're talking about the song exclusively in conjunction with the video.

I mean, the images plus the song imply that Durst & co. may very well be aware of the fact that their blaring macho blah blah are a mask for wounded, nearly infantile feelings of male dread for women and that they are -- holy crap -- exploring these feelings as a means of breaking through to a more mature relationship with women, rather than wallowing in them.

There is, of course, the second layer of all this, where it's probable that this awareness is now being used as a means of juicing a nearly moribund career, in which case the band is experiencing artistic growth entirely as a means of extending their fifteen minutes.

In closing, I would like to assert that all of this assumes you are looking at the video, because the song a la carte is hookless, droning cack.

― Ess, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Clearly the only answer is to post stills (I will willingly watch a Limp Bizkit video the day after I am dead).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Does self-awareness that your shit is actually shit keep the shit from being shit?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I understand the feeling.

But that's the thing about all this. It's not just images. It's a narrative thing as well. The story is basically that Fred Durst has kidnapped either the daughter from American Beauty or a woman who looks very much like her, who is either an object of distant affection for Durst's character or an ex-girlfriend or something. So he puts her in a chair in the middle of nowhere -- the implication is that he and the rest of the band are weird hicks or something -- and begins playing a song, "Eat You Alive."

So he starts out screaming at her, but then he puts on this weird backwoods light show and croons tunelessly for a while, and then she sort of softens up at this show of weird vulnerability and lets him off the hook. It's completely insane, but far more self-aware than anything I thought these yobbos had in them.

― Ess, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Does self-awareness that your shit is actually shit keep the shit from being shit?

To the degree that part of my problem with Limp Bizkit was my assumption of total, world-beating stupidity on their part, I guess, uh, yeah.

Fucked-up, socially retrograde art doesn't necessarily bother me, except when it's dull. And this, despite its many faults, is anything but dull.

― Ess, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, that video sounds fucked up. He kidnaps her and wins her heart? Whatever.

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

why you guys try and sound all smart and smug all the time???

― push up, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Shut up and give me twenty yous.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Clearly the only answer is to post stills (I will willingly watch a Limp Bizkit video the day after I am dead).

Ah, so Ned is going to hell.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, I saw the video (go here) and it's really stunning...like a retelling of the Searchers from the Indians' point of view, except filtered through the bayou trash experience, and of course, with a nu-rock soundtrack.

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

oh wait, also IT'S FUCKING STUPID AND CREEPY.

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Fred Donuts.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"He kidnaps her and wins her heart?"

Fred Duhrst in Stockholm Syndrome shocka?

― earlnash, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I direct the next Limp Bizkit video? It would feature Wes Borland beating Fred into a bloody pulp with a guitar and a dancing gorilla. (Syntax intentional.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, so Ned is going to hell.

I've already been.

Dan I kiss you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, you deserve this "visual Grammy" for putting us all out of our misery. Your vid I'll tape for the Grandkiddies.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Limp Bizkit rule, what's wrong with you people?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I just want to see LB's ex-guitarist smack Fred around with a pissed-off simian. Is that so wrong?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

smack Fred around with a pissed-off simian

Wouldn't a mirror be cheaper?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

thora birch is in a limp bizkit video??

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Wouldn't a mirror be cheaper?

Do mirrors grunt and fling feces?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Does anything NOT have an innate desire to fling feces at Durst?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

ppl who like wes borland but hate the rest of lb have chosen radiohead over fun!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the Wicked Game homage near the end. Oh Freeeeeeed don't wanna fall in love.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

and yeah, I've only heard the song once, and I'm not totally feelin' it. I'm still gonna buy the album, Results May Vary, as soon as possible. I really would love to hear the stuff they recorded before getting their new, rather cute, guitarist. There's some Rivers Cuomo and Page Hamilton collabos in the fault, yo! YO!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

vault, not fault.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

anthony do you like the remix disc?? ROLLIN URBAN ASSAULT VEHICLE!! that timbaland remix where he just puts timb drums under the original song was pretty bad though

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

and its not better than the linkin park remix disc even though it has better producers and rappers on it, i dont know why

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

right now my fav off that is the papercut remix with planet asia and rasco!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I only listened to Old New Songs once (I really should dig it out again), and really wasn't feelin' it. My problem with Rollin' Urban Assault Vehicle is that the guest rappers, being on a rap-METAL album, feel the need to be even more obnoxious. Plus I'm neither a DMX or Swizz Beatz fan. I adore "N2Gether Now" though. Haven't heard the Linkin Park disc. Though I love several LP singles, I'm probably going to wait for the inevitable hits comp for those guys.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

while I agree with you re: Borland, trife, I really did like his stuff, and kinda worry if Bizkit will be AS good without him. This song didn't relieve my fears that the group will become more sluggish now. Shit, they should just let DJ Lethal do more!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

as i said on the spz 90s list n2gether now is seriously one of the greatest songs of all time, i even like freds verse!! the shut the fuck up part is so fun to sing along with

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

and yeah i like borland too and i think he brought a lot to limp bizkit but preferring him to the rest of the band takes him out of the context he needs and he just becomes another wacky indie-prog dude

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

plus Durst is one of the best white rappers of all time. Anybody who thinks the Beastie Boys have flow (which I do) NEEDS to recognize Durst's skillz.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

"He kidnaps her and wins her heart?"
Fred Duhrst in Stockholm Syndrome shocka?

So she was a rock critic, then?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

miccio youre losing me here!!

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

If you ain't feelin' his rhymes on "N2Gether Now" & "Livin' It Up," an album track on Chocolate Starfish, you just don't get my kind of crazy-ass fun.

Durst himself on "Eat You Alive":im stoked that MTV let a little bit of dirt into the cleanliness of their "hit" videos!! you people made it happen. its poking out like a sore thumb. Eat You Alive is so raw, sexual, and animal like. i like that!!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

more about "Eat You Alive" from Durst: the first single "EAT YOU ALIVE" is now playing on the radio in some places. it's a serious song about my desire for particular women folk. it is a bit aggressive, but very heart felt in my own sick way. it is unlike any song on the rest of the cd, but so is every song on the cd. none of them have the same feel. kinda like Queen. sometimes i feel like limp bizkit is like Queen in the sense that we have such a broad song writing formula. in no way do i feel as if we are anywhere in the ballpark as good as they are.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

none of them have the same feel. kinda like Queen.

He really HAS gone insane.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a serious song about my desire for particular women folk. isnt this what chingy said abt right thurr??

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

sir durstalot

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

are you saying that Queen didn't have a varied musical and emotional range within each album, Ned? because that seems to be the only point he's really making, which is I think pretty spot-on, and is modest enough to point out he's not drawing any parallels beyond that.

and to answer somebody's question, yes, that really is Thora Birch in the video, which I find interesting mainly because I'd otherwise have assumed her to be one of those annoying 'new/young Hollywood' starlets with an indie axe to grind who probably identifies with the characters she played in AB and Ghost World way too much. so it's refreshing to see that she rolls with MC Dread First.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 06:10 (twenty-two years ago)

also it bears mentioning that this is one of those performance-oriented music videos where the singer forgoes the formality of holding a microphone and/or instrument, and in doing so ends up emoting and gesturing with awkward body language that is both uncomfortable and really funny to watch*. the 'sensitive' part in the bridge (which actually, in combination with the video, kinda works, which is surprising since the Bizkit has always had a penchant for suddenly killing the momentum of their songs with a brooding bridge, (especially Nookie)) where he kind of does this dance and moves his hips around was simultaneously skin-crawling and giggle-inducing the first time I saw it.

* see also: that Michelle Branch video where she isn't strumming a guitar while she sings to the camera and kind of flails her arms around in an embarrassing Alanis kind of way

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Thora Birch? Sigh ...

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

doesnt fred clasp his hand to his heart at one point in this video?

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 07:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe Al's hatin' on the trademark Bizkit bereallyquietbereallyquietthengetlouderThenGetLouderTHENGETLOUDER THEN SCREEEEEEAM!! magilla.

Cuz I love it.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

funny he doesn't *look* jewish

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

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