The new Outkast has leaked

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You can download it from me on SoulSeek (once I get done downloading it).

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

username?

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 11 September 2003 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

cloud1049 has it

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 11 September 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry cloud149

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 11 September 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

and there's only like 4 trillion people waiting for it

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 11 September 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

"unhappy" is v. nice.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 11 September 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

countdown to first 'omg' : 8 posts.
countdown to stevem hosting: 29 posts
"this is better than the neptunes": 38 posts
"this is better than kish kash": 39 posts
"fuck outkast": trife, 314 posts

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 11 September 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck outkast!!

― trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 11 September 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

does the fact that we lept ahead 313 posts mean that I missed out on the stevem hosting? :( dammit, trife.

― flightsatdusk (flightsatdusk), Thursday, 11 September 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

im gonna have an email argument abt it with another writer printed uin my free weekly, like the sasha frere jones radiohead thing!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 11 September 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm MisterSnrub!!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 11 September 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

As previously reported, frontwoman Gwen Stefani is working on her Interscope solo debut with assistance from No Doubt bassist Tony Kanal, members of Outkast and producers Dallas Austin and Damon Elliott. The set is penciled in for a spring 2004 release.

http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1977600

― Bomic Cook Guy, Thursday, 11 September 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

outkast remix of hey baby is one of the few things theyve done that i liked

― trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 11 September 2003 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't hate like Outkast does, but a recent listen to Stankonia reaffirmed how bloated that album is (I can turn it off after "Humble Mumble."). I can't imagine that a double-CD from these guys won't be filler-happy. Great singles artists, though.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 11 September 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

their filler-happy greatest hits cd says otherwise!

― trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 11 September 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

haha. Maybe they only became singles artists on Aquemini. As I said, I'm not hating, but frankly it's a bit refreshing to hear somebody note that they are in no possible way saviors of anything except "single of the year." And maybe music videos. They make GREAT music videos.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 11 September 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

That one track on Aquemini which is a remake of one of their first things ever is actually so damn good though.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 12 September 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

southernplayalistic is their only album (well, cassette) ive ever owned!! its ok

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

it's really dense

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

speakerboxxx >> the love below.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 12 September 2003 07:32 (twenty-two years ago)

ok so i like heard the single being played on, of all things, KROQ two days ago (no i DON'T listen to KROQ, but there were commercials on both Power 106 and The Beat so i had to go somewhere) And I listen to Power 106 and The Beat (biggest commercial hip-hop stations in LA) everyday in the car, and have never heard it even once on there yet...

...so um, is this still going to be filed under Black-People Music that Mostly White People Listen To ?

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 12 September 2003 07:37 (twenty-two years ago)

density is the new minimalism

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:04 (twenty-two years ago)

(that was a very boring and pat thing to say)

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:15 (twenty-two years ago)

wasn't boring: just doesn't make sense.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 12 September 2003 10:23 (twenty-two years ago)

well, as little as a month ago i remember Ronan questioning the 'less = avant' equation - the (alleged) maximalism of speakerboxxxetc and kish kash point to something else. maybe. i was being facetious really.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 12 September 2003 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm really loving speakerboxxx, actually. it's no kish kash though. i should give the love below another go, i guess.

incidentally why aren't more people posting here?! i thought people were excited about this album...

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i only listened to it once, and not even properly then, but [SPOILER ALERT] the andre drum n bass cover of "my favourite things" sounded godawful.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

love below >>>>>> speakerboxxx

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

but yes, outkast should never touch drum & bass ever again

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

also, by splitting the "camille" from the "spooky electric" i'm not quite sure what they've achieved here.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

(obv it's not a total split)

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Love their previous work, but with the pre-release cuts I heard i was worried. Boi's stuff is pleasant enough hip-hop, nothing to write home about. But the Andre LP is about as bad as you can get. A prime example of 'Experimentaion' and 'freedom' not equalling quality.

I'm sure it'll get the sunshine praised out of it's arse though as forward thinking and fresh..blah blah.

― scottjames23 (worrysome-man), Friday, 12 September 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i told everyone the big boi cd would be the only listenable one!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

you were wrong

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Speakerbox = the great road-trippin' album, the great gettin' hype goin' out album

The Love Below = the great ganja smokin' album, the more appropriate for fuckin' to album

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(ha ha based on skimming through bits and pieces)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

god, this record is a disappointment. seriously. the big boi record is passable hip-hop/soul pastiche/hybrid, but nowhere near the level of past work. the dre disc aims for prince but ends up as mr. bungle or something. there's not a single track i don't have the urge to skip. they should have just broken up and released seperate solo discs so as not to saddled the name with this as the capstone.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha jess in hating everything I love about it shockah!

The Big Boi disk sounds like beach parties to me whereas the Andre disc sounds like opium-smoke-filled orgy rooms.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

nickalicious in liking tepid funk-rock shocker

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the most I've ever liked anything Big Boi's done yet; until now his & Dre's styles often conflicted just too much (Dre being all sentimental and serious and very good with it, Big Boi puttin' his dick all up her mouf, fr'instance)...getting out into his own ideas like this has opened him up something fierce.

With the Andre disk it's more like stuff he's always aimed towards but seemed like he didn't want to go towards full force or else he might lose some part of their fanbase...I'm glad he took the plunge (and also that this is presented second of the two). It is definitely much more appropriate if you're not expecting what one might expect from pre-now Andre.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

(between this and the Cee-Lo CD coming out next month[?] all my previous best-of lists are fucked)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha if this and Prince and P-Funk are tepid funk rock so be it

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

It's definitely suffering from double album-itis. There's way too much here, and it feels really messy with the final track sequence.

Great moments tho... "Ghettomusick", "Hey Ya", "Unhappy", "The Way You Move", "She Lives in My Lap"

Dre should not have opened his record with those first three songs.

― Scott Warner (thream), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

the difference is that p-funk and prince actually FUNKED and ROCKED and did all sorts of other things beside. this sort of marinates in its own overblownness, congealing into the type of badness than can only be born out of the reach exceeding the grasp.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

The Andre disc is just embarrassing... forget Prince and P-Funk, it's Cody Chesnutt and Terence Trent D'Arby. The Big Boi disc is just average.

I do really like all the first tracks that leaked--Hey Ya, Ghettomusik, I Like the Way You Move, She Lives in My Lap, Flip Flop Rock. But it's heavily diminishing returns after that. I think there are probably a couple more good ones in there somewhere. It maybe could have been an OK single disc.

But generally... the sum of the parts is much, much greater.

― Ben Williams, Friday, 12 September 2003 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

'nza' one of those things is not like the others!!! xpost with jess

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

p.s. i, unlike trife, actually like outkast which is why this is such a disappointment.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I definitely see your point, I guess I just wish I could understand what there is to dislike about these albums, but it just ain't happening.

OH MY GOD PEOPLE IN LIKING DIFFERENT MUSICS SHOCKAH!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean, it's not like prince's reach hasn't exceeded his grasp every year since 1992!

(and clinton since about 86.)

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

And hey now on the Cody Chestnutt hate, sure his album's almost entirely wack but "Bitch I'm Broke" is like one of the best songs ever.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

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FYI: "Hey Ya" cracked AT40 this week.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 October 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

"Indie rock radio"? Huh?

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 20 October 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"I do know that the atl hip-hop stations aren't all over this they way they were all over stankonia and aquemini"

"Hey Ya" was number one on Hot 107.9 last week, but I dunno if that was just an anomaly or what.

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Monday, 20 October 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"Indie rock radio"? Huh?

I think I meant alternative rock radio - there's probably not much in the way of indie rock radio out there, excepting some college stations.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 20 October 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Does anyone else notice that the differences between the two CDs start to blur after awhile? Where you start noting the non-hip-hop elements in Speakerboxx and the hip-hop in The Love Below? I was hopping around between both albums (I have them on blank tapes currently) and didn't feel any sharp flow-shift pains at all. I'm not saying there aren't differences but it made me realize they could TOTALLY make another album together if they really wanted to. It's not like they're on separate planets. I still can't decide which album I like more, which is good in the sense that I'll be fine voting for the whole thing in Pazz & Jop.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 20 October 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yeh i think Big Boi went out on a limb in places but not as much as Andre. i could just take 5 or 6 tracks from each side and that may well be a phenomenal album in itself.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 20 October 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hey Ya"'s melody definitely has a Frank Black feel to it. I really can only stand it for the time signature, though, otherwise I can take it or leave it.

I don't say things like this often, for what it's worth, but "Roses" is really the worst song I have ever heard.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 20 October 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

wtf? Your take on "Roses" smells like boo boo.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Al, I'll grant you that the melody of "Hey Ya" is reminiscent of Black's work, at least for the first few bars - it would be interesting to actually break it down and figure out why that is, but I fear that I lack the music-theory chops to pull it off - maybe it's just the chords. But in terms of production, sonics, rhythmic feel, vocals, etc. - there really is no comparison. I can't imagine Black writing a song like it in a hundred years.

"Roses" the worst song ever? I find that hard to believe.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all about the acoustic guitar and the shrill vocal, yo.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't say shrill, but high-pitched with a bit of a nasal edge, yes. That's surely part of it. But the melody itself, and the way it goes with the chords seems familiar. Does anyone happen to know the chords to "Hey Ya"?

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The chords for the verses: G-C-D-E (according to this helpful page). They do remind me of the Pixies (and Black) in their off-kilter simplicity. That C-D-E at the end is odd, but somehow it works. It seems that Andre 3000 shares Black's erstwhile gift for being able to fit a catchy melody to what might appear to be a random assortment of chords.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Not to mention the beat structure...if I remember correctly it's a 6 bar form with the 4th bar being 2/4, yes? Not like you'd have to notice unless you wanted to though, which is the point.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, the beat structure is the real connection. Frank Black uses that one often.

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

That's a good point. I'll have to listen for that next time. Which chord does the 2/4 bar correspond to? Also, how would you see that chord progression: is it I-IV-V-VI? Or I-IV-V-V*, where V* is some sort of augmented V chord?

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The D chord (V) is the 2/4 bar. I'd see that progression as I-IV-V-VI.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

The 2/4 bar is the D. If those chords are right, in beats, it's G (x 4), C (x 8), D (x 2), E (x 8)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

The comments about Frank Black make me want to hear "Headache" RIGHT NOW.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

four weeks pass...

Dadada!

It is now official: The first hip-hop album Geir has really liked! :-)

Heard a couple tracks, decided to check it out closer, and I really like it. It may even appear on my 2003 Top 10 - time will show.

Anyway, what is it about this album that makes me like it better than all other rap albums?

First and foremost, the melody thing. There are lots of melodic bits here, and, even more important, they are actually composed by the group themselves rather than nicked from elsewhere. There are indeed several tracks that hardly contain any rap at all

Another thing is I like how they are ambitious, almost in a prog way. Like several of the other important double albums in popular music history, "Speakerboxx"/"The Love Below" is kind of a journey through lots of different genres and styles, and not only soul/R&B/funk/jazz (although I can hear a lot of jazz and 80s smooth soul in particular here), but also less obvious sources such as classical music, pop, rock and drum'n'bass.

One thing that is also important (but not unique within the hip-hop genre in the case of this album)is the great production. Lots of great synth sounds, a lot of it remiscent of 80s synthpop at its best.

Also, a lot of the album is clearly remiscent of Prince, an artist that I really like.

Put together, these things make this a good album, yes, possibly even a great one.

I guess several rap purists will hate the album for the same reasons btw. From their purist criteria, I believe this album is a lot "whiter" than anything Eminem, Beastie Boys nor Vanilla Ice have ever come up with.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Sieg heil.

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow Sarah, how clever!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

What, you thought I was kidding?

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

What, so if you were serious that suddenly makes your response original and insightful?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Original and insightful, unlike 99% of your posts I've ever seen?

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

PHEAR MY MIGHTY PHALLUS etc.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, don't let this happen! I love you both! Yoooooouuuuuu're teeeeaaaariiiiiing meee apaaaaaaaaaaart!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder how much Cee-Lo/Goodie Mob the Hongroed One has heard?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Is anybody else getting a really annoying login screen popping up every time they open this thread?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Woah, an exploding rocket looks just like a cock! Tee hee hee!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Not much, Nickalicous. Was "I Wish" by Cee-Lo?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, what's the story with the login screen?

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Has been there from the start apparently, as the first response to the original thread says "username?"

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

It is now official: The first hip-hop album Geir has really liked! :-)

I rest my case.

;o)

― Ben Williams, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha no that was Skee-Lo! I can see the confusion.

If you feel like it and can find it, I suggest a listen to Cee-Lo's song "Gettin' Grown" might please your ears a wee bit.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, this is fake Geir, right? Because the idea of "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below" being the record that Miccio, Nickalicious, Dan and Geir can agree on only makes it even greater!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

Alright, I admit that some of the songs on the record the love below are differen't. But at least be happy that someone is going out on a limb and creating something different then just the same old hip hop.

― Fan, Friday, 6 February 2004 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i hate this album.
for 2 reasons
1. the love below is way too long for it's own good.
2. big boi sucks

― Dude (The Yellow Dart), Friday, 6 February 2004 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Why my purpose on the surface of this earth is. Plan it, standards, trust and the purpose. Campaign in vein for the same lame fame, people obtain, you ought to be detained. By the hip hop sheriff, locked up no possibility......of getting out cause the shit you make is killing me. and my ears, and my peers I hear the end is near, no fear, we disappear, then reappear again in a fresh new light. I hope its peaceful and cloudy cause if its not we gotta fight like, fight like

GENIOUS! who else comes up with that material???? and you people are dissin outkast? big boi? are u retarded? eh.....

― Toad, Saturday, 20 March 2004 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

OutKast are boner.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 20 March 2004 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

did anybody catch the interview with tara mckelvey on fresh air?

she has a new book called "monstering: inside america's policy of secret interrogation and torture in the war on terror" (phew!)

she was talking about abu ghraib and lynndie england and gang ... apparently the #1 recreational-time activity at the prison was these recreational robotripping orgies. and apparently the popular soundtrack was outkast's last few albums. how about that?

― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

what no DJ Skrew available in Iraq?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

i like to think that the soundtrack to the infamous "lynndie" photo was "i like the way you move"

― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

doo dee doo

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 21:36 (eighteen years ago)

You know it was to "Rosa Parks".

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

I assume the robo-tripping and Outkast is among the guards, not the prisoners, yeah?

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 01:34 (eighteen years ago)

god that'd be a whole other level of psychic scarring

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 01:39 (eighteen years ago)

i saw andre walkin around in front of my building a little bit ago to the vegan place. he was dressed like tom sawyer.

― chaki, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 01:50 (eighteen years ago)

did you clown him like 3-6 in the international players anthem vid

― deej, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

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