The New Yorker music issue

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I think it turned out really well--enjoyed most of what I've read (not all of it yet, but most of the bigger stuff), esp. Christgau on Charles Cross's Cobain bio, Kelefa Sanneh's Jay-Z profile/analysis, Alex Ross's Radiohead thing. Disappointment: Hilton Als on PJ Harvey (he's always disappointing, though, always portends more than he delivers, it seems to me, at least in The New Yorker), Nick Hornby on Billboard's top ten albums (if you had any expectations, that is). Nu?

M. Matos, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Very mixed feelings about the Hornby piece, which is all I've read so far. On the one hand, it seemed like a fairly honest reading of the top 40 from someone who makes no bones about how out of touch he is with it. On the other hand, it was depressing, and I kept asking myself, why even bother? (Why did he even bother writing it? Why should I even bother reading it?) 'High Fidelity' is a knockout book, but I hardly related at all to the actual music in it--too stuffy, and way too record store for me (I say as I enter into my eighth year at hmv!). Everytime I see Hornby's byline, I keep expecting some magic, but that's my problem obviously, not his.

scott, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(don't get me started on hornby)

mark s, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

but we want you to get started on Hornby, Mark--that's one reason I put the question up to begin with

M. Matos, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

[incoherent shouting and banging, and yes, weeping, weeping for the sheer giddy injustice of it all: this goes on for days]

mark s, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like the line in the PJ Harvey piece that's something like, "in the early nineties, when the transexual identities of the likes of Bryan Ferry and David Bowie were the norm..."

Um, which early 90's were those? If someone has a copy handy, have I totally misread that line? I can't believe its as bad as I remember it being.

fritz, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hornby is an unspeakable cunt. Yes.

Venga, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the line is: "The music business in the erly nineties, when eyeliner, blow-dried haor, and Bowie's and Bryan Ferry's varios transexual personae were the norm, promoted Harvey as Camille Paglia's musical missing link."

i've yet to get to Hornby's piece, but i'm loving the rest of the issue so far. James Surowiecki's attempt to tie in to the theme in his front-of-the-book financial column aims to be an expose; it's good-intentioned, but misses the mark. but Sanneh's Jay-Z piece is superb, Gates' profile of Ralph Stanley is revealing, and the piece on selling Steinway pianos is just really interesting. truth be told, the article i'm really looking forward to is the story on a wedding band; it may not be a story about art, but it should be a nice music piece, and a story that never really gets told.

bucky wunderlick, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I didn't even know the blasted thing existed; now I can go out and feel all book-learned by buying a copy of the New Yorker. (The fact that my transaction will be handled by a spotty, greasy kid on leave from his local public learning insitution, notwithstanding.) Actually, I do buy the rag on occasion...basically whenever they publish the work of a cartoonist I enjoy. (What a lowbrow I am.)

So, obviously I have yet to read it, but I'm sure it will be more fun from the man who felt that "Kid A" was too difficult. There's something odd going on when the periodical writing you most look forward to these days are the ones that hold a train-wreck fascination...

Jess, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Here's the Hornby article. What a cunt.

Josh, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dunno if he's a cunt in regards to this article, but he sure is talkative. Hope he got paid by the word.

David Raposa, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Just read the Hornby article in question.

I find it odd that Hornby can make a qualitative claim, differentiating between P. Diddy (crap) and D12 (not so crap), and yet has crap-all to say about nu-metal:

Actually, the truth of it is that neither Staind nor Linkin Park nor Limp Bizkit is dissimilar to just about any other band that has played an electric guitar very loud in the past thirty years, which means that there is very little to be said for or about them, though I wish them no ill.

He's either lazy, or just doesn't give a fig. (And I find it VERY odd that he namedrops the Dickies in talking about Blink 182 - why not the Dead Milkmen, or the Meatmen, or some other obscure band that the New Yorker audience is going to scratch their head about?)

Is the conclusion reached (today's pop music ain't got the same soul; let me run back to my sanctuary) any different than the type of conclusion that would've been reached by any other adult in their mid- 40s with a mild interest in music?

And who the hell is Jagged Edge?

David Raposa, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Okay...so I read it while making my lunch and watching The Jetsons...and mostly I feel like, "well, there's 15 minutes or so of my life I'm never going to get back."

Aside from the all-too-obvious question of why shooting holes through Lil Romeo and Linkin Park should be entertaining for the New Yorker's readership (unless they're really that insecure about their middle- brow-ness that they need to have it bolstered by disdaining the chart pop their kids listen to) and Hornby's egregious times-aint-like-they- used-to-be fogey-isms, one line leapt right out at me: "when I have recovered my strength, creep back to my little private Top Ten...who make music full of thoughtful, polite ironies and carefully articulated cynicism." Can there be any more of a rockist view of pop music? Ugh.

Jess, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jagged Edge do that "Let's Get Married" song that sounds so Miami Vice.

Kris, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jagged Edge = "where the party at/hey where the bacardi at/mix it with the cris baby/don't see nothin' wrong with that". From St. Louis, decent song, GRATE Nelly verse.

Sterling Clover, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is that the one where Nelly does his "A-ohhhhhhh" thing over the whole song? If so I like it. And the video is huh-larious.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

hornby: "Ever since Elvis, it has been pop music's job to challenge the mores of the older generation..." Guh.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just read the Christgau piece on the Cobain book, and as often hapens when I contemplate Kurt, tears almost came to my eyes.

I just thought I'd gush in public here... I'm usually pretty unemotional but wtf... I am 33 years old, and Nirvana was the last band I truly loved. Of course, I Love Music and all, and lots of new stuff gets me plenty excited. But I loved Nirvana. Or do I mean him. Ok, enough of that.

As usual, Christgau's writing is good, too. Maybe I'll read the book.

Sean, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You know, Christgau also wrote a nice piece about the newest Michael Azerrad book (_Our Band Could Be Your Life_) - it's more about the underground than the actual book, but it's excellent. (It's on the Village Voice website - look it up yo damn self.) Damn it, it's gonna be hard for me to bitch about Xgau if he keeps on writing so well. (Not that I've read the Cobain piece, mind you.)

David Raposa, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is that the one where Nelly does his "A-ohhhhhhh" thing over the whole song? If so I like it. And the video is huh-larious.

Yeah, that too. I'm pretty sure Jagged Edge is from Atlanta though.

Kris, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Half way through. The Nick Hornby thing amused me. The PPJ Harvey thing gave her short shrift. The Carter article was decent. But the article about the weddign band was A class brillant.

Beside the point why has thier not been alot of BEK cartoons of late. He is grate , as well as any one read the Murakami short story. I bought one for a Munro a while back and was bvery disappointed.

anthony, Saturday, 18 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Anthony: which isssue is the Murakami story in?

Jess, Saturday, 18 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This issue we are discussing.

anthony, Saturday, 18 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought the Nick Hornby article was classic. It's about time somebody made fun of self-mutilators.

dave q, Sunday, 19 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

...or at least the ones who are into Staind. And besides, so what if he says every guitar band of the last 30 years sounds the same? I've heard similar sentiments from most techno-heads for years.

dave q, Sunday, 19 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

finally finished it. Hornby's a very good storyteller, but the piece was bad. Someone edited Christgau's sentances (or maybe he edited himself), and he was great. Much more readable than most of his Voice pieces. Wedding band article was ace. Liked Alex Ross on Radiohead, even if I'm tired of reading about Radiohead. Don't get the hip-hop photo essay: nice enough, but why? Ralph Stanley story was fantastic. Saving the Murakami story for later.

Overall: ace. makes me wish they did some more pop music coverage. best single-issue music mag i've seen since the last music issue of the oxford american.

bucky wunderlick, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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