How Much Does It Cost In Money And Time To Set Up A Small Record Label?

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Approximately. Pricing in terms of whatever recorded media you know about.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

(NB do not imagine I am intending to do this. It just struck me the other day how little I know about the basic economics and processes of it.)

Tom (Groke), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

more than it's worth. trust me on this.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone want 11 boxes of unsold 7"s?

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway tom, keep in mind this is US dollars and about four or five years ago now, but:

a. cds are invariably cheaper than vinyl. vinyl is expensive. GOOD vinyl is almost prohibitively expensive. 7"s run about $1-2 per, 12"s $3-5 per, odd sized varies. color, labels, sleeves, will all get you. but what REALLY gets you is the mastering. ("but it's worth it" blah blah, yes, but very hard on the pocketbook.) all told, 1000 7"s probably ran me about $2000-2500, including sleeves. of course i never made it back.

b. time: if you're successful, it will take over your life. if you're not, a couple hours every week.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Gabbo, I'll trade you a box of yours for a box of mine.
(Its [not] funny how the cds cost less to manufacture than the vinyl, but remember how high cds prices are? And they're going after 12 year old who have music on their computers)

peepee (peepee), Friday, 12 September 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The ILX comp cost about £200 for 150 CD's. So, I guess it'd be pretty easy to start a record company with £1000. But, I'm thinking it'd be easier to get of the ground with £2500.

The key is distribution, you need to have a number of ways of shifting your stuff like direct from yr company, online shops, record shops (this I read in a fanzine article).

Also, depends on whether you have the facilities to put CD's together like a decent computer and software, as well as recording equipment.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 12 September 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

So, yeah it takes alot of time to get things together, and get them sent out. Six months to a year.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 12 September 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Just please, please, please make sure whatever you're putting out is worth releasing. A gander in the bargain racks of Amoeba or Rasputin's will demonstrate just how much crap is glutting the market. The democratization of music and the the everyman seizing the means of production have had unfortunate results; I wish it was still in the hands of a tiny oligarchy.

Remember, Sam Philips turned down Johnny Cash several times before he relented. Don't be afraid to do the same, the cream will always rise to the top.

Andy, Friday, 12 September 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure that agree with you Andy. For me, the cream doesn't rise to the top. My favourite music isn't often released by major labels. Some of my favourite alltime artists and bands have to work "dayjobs" to suppliment their "career". Most of what's in bargain bins ARE major label releases.
Music should never be an exclusive thing. My life is so much more complete now that I attempt to create music. Not being a proper "musician", I was led to believe that only special people do that. I'm not suggesting that my music will be a classic, but I'm not making it for other people to like. When they like it, its a bonus.
As long as you think its worth it, put the music out.
Don't put it out just because you think it'll sell.

peepee (peepee), Friday, 12 September 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

he might be a little extreme, but I do think Andy has a point. a really ridiculous percentage of indie records that are put out every year barely sell in double digits for good reason; not a lot of effort went into the actual music, and even less goes into promoting it, so what's the point of sinking all that money into manufacturing it in the first place, especially when CD-r's and mp3's are so much more convenient and safer as a way for friends and the local 'scene' to hear it.

that said, I'm really glad that the means are there and that you don't need to be signed to make a record. in my opinion, running a good label is every bit as applaudable as making a good record, and if someone wants to do either themselves without a lot of outside help, they should fucking go for it.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 12 September 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Depends, you can go glossy or you can go gutter.

for 12" records you are looking at the following costs:

-cuting: 110usd a side
-making plates: 120usd a side
-labels: 100usd for 1,000 2 color labels, or you can be ghetto and use a rubber stamp on white label for 30 usd.
-Pressings: 25usd for the first 5 test pressings, and one dollar for each additional pressing. (pressing costs decline in higher numbers)
-Sleeves: .25 cents per unit for white, .30 per unit for black, you are looking at up to 2,000usd for 1,000 full color glossy sleeves.
-shipping: Depends on how many you make and where you send them.
-phone calls: HELLA expensive.

You can make a 400 pressing undergound dance 12" happen for about a 1,200 bucks. You will not make any money, but you will break even. The thing to bear in mind is that you don't actually press the full run until you have shipped the test pressings to the distributors and recieved orders. The actual size of the pressing really has more to do with a distributors order than anything else.

The other thing to bear in mind is that the dance record market is drastically different from the rock market. I feel for Jess, because when you want to make rock records right it costs a lot of money. One of the advantages of operating in Detroit is that industry people expect the records to be cheap and dirty.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Friday, 12 September 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
i would like to run my own label but i wanted to know how much it would cost to start it up ..plus what i would have to doo to get it started up ..

lamar, Tuesday, 9 March 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

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Check out the PDF file of the mechanics guide. It is a nice overview.

earlnash, Tuesday, 9 March 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)


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