Miles' Women (sorry, but the original title was pretty lame -- mod)

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Who are the women on quite a few of miles' record sleeves?

Jimmy Parker, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

If its his wife...then maybe just ignore this thread..

Jimmy Parker, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Cicely Tyson was on more than one of his album covers. He was married to her.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard he used to really abuse his wives, is that true?

yaeger, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, yes, he was physically abusive to some of the women in his life, and when he kinda came out of his reclusive period he wrote in his autobiography about it and how much he regretted it.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

What is the best book about miles' life? I'm quite interested in what he did off the stage, his rock'n'roll lifestyle etc

Jimmy Parker, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Betty Mabry was also one of Miles' wives is the woman on the cover of 'Filles de Killamanjero'.

Miles Davis' autobiography with Quincy Trope is a great read and Jack Chambers wrote a two part biography that is also worth reading and gets into more detail about his bands and recording sessions.

earlnash, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

His autobio is a great read, and the exaggerations just make it all the more true. Or something.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The Quincy Trope one is very good (the story about the 18-year-old Miles' taxi ride with Charlie Parker is classic beyond classic). I read another that focused mainly on the sessions that was kinda lame in places but very thorough and talked especially in depth about his sessions with folks like Bird and Monk, but I think the autobiography he did with Trope was a more involved read.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

His motherfucking autobiography is great! Just read it motherfucker!

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"Cleaner than a broke-dicked dog."

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

The Miles tongue-to-tape auto biog is indeed a great read, but you don't get to take as much coke as Miles and not end up w/ a VERY unreliable memory (also, large parts of the 'factual' stuff is taken almost verbatim from Martin Williams' more straight-forward plod through the Davis canon - MW an old-skool jazz crit who didn't have much gd to say abt the Electric Miles recs, gtw.)

The Ian Carr biog is not a disgrace. And John Swzed, who wrote a BRILLIANT bk on Sun Ra, published another Miles biog last year - haven't read it, but I'd like to.

Miles made a point of featuring black women on his alb covers from 'Someday My Prince Will Come' onwards.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

"The Ian Carr biog is not a disgrace."

It's a long time since I read it, Andrew, so I might change my mind if I read it now, but I thought it was quite a bit better than your faint praise suggests. I've never been able to finish his autobiography, the ugliness of the prose style just wore me down.

ArfArf, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

but you don't get to take as much...

Ha, James St. James to thread.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I foudn the Ian Carr book almost insufferably boring. Actually, I didn't finish it, so you can ignore the 'almost'.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, while I prob. wldn't go so far as Nick, I did find the Carr bk a bit...plodding, tho' I haven't read the revised ed that came out a few years back (Carr's bk on Jarrett, again written w/out any access to the subject, IS seriously dud tho' - creepy AND dull - Jarrett needs a Ben Watson figure to do him justice, someone equally mad and self-indulgent and wonderfully WRONG)

There is also a rather po-faced bk called 'Miles Beyond: The Electric Explorations of Miles Davis 1967-1991' by an English geezer called Paul Tinglin. He makes great play of writing from the perspective of a rock/prog muso rather than a jazzbo, but then treats Teo Macero's splice-dice editing as a sin against 'live'-in-studio performances. The 'analysis' is woefully undercooked and bizarrely drifts off into Buddhist cliche at a moment's notice. But saying all that, it is the ONLY published bk I know of that treats the post-2nd Quartet recs in any kind of depth, and Tinglin's breakdown of the edits (far more than I'd ever thought) that are all over In A Silent Way, Jack Johnson, Live Evil etc is really fascinating, if only for (inadvertently) re-emphasizing just how far-out some of Teo's methods/thinking were. Tinglin has interviewed lots of ppl who've not really been tracked down by previous Miles biographers (Michael Henderson, for starters)and he is v. fair and scrupulous abt those 'difficult' 80s recs. The chapter abt 'On the Corner' - tho' full of more wiffle, and a disdain for disco - goes some way to explaining why that rec is so interesting and out-of-whack even for a 70s Miles alb - it was the one most self-consciously designed to marry Stockhausen and Sly Stone, and once again Macero was the X-Factor/remixer.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't the title of this thread, you know, a bit... off?

thom west (thom w), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

(i thought it was going to be a resumption of the thing on the other thread about how miles treated his musicians in the 70s. the disappointment is bitter.)

thom west (thom w), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, the thread title is seriously off.

The Carr book has the most dirt, I think. A tedious amount of it, in fact. Cocaine abuse just isn't very interesting.

The Szwed bio is decent but slightly disappointing, given how good his Sun Ra book was. There is a brilliant chapter in the middle that's a kind of freeform meditation on Miles' performance of his persona, but the rest is a bit of a clip job. He does give the 70s stuff a very fair shake though, and as a piece of music criticism, as opposed to biography, his book is much better than Carr's (Carr uses a cliched, simplistic West vs. Africa framework to write about Miles' musical evolution and it gets quite annoying).

Ben Williams, Wednesday, 17 September 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Title now changed. I didn't think much of it myself.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I just assumed it was gonna be about bitch's brew, shoulda known better this being ilm ("no girls allowed") and all

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose my "McGriff's Hoes" post will have to remain but a dream.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000005HDD.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

ham on rye (ham on rye), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

All jazz musicians should go the Herbie Mann route, though.


http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002I3M.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

ham on rye (ham on rye), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"contains bonus track" is maybe the most sinister thing that could be floating above herbie's noggin there

rob geary (rgeary), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 06:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i was thinking the same

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 06:22 (twenty-two years ago)

It could have said "foldout sleeve" or something.

ham on rye (ham on rye), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)


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