dubstep is so bori- WHOMP WHOMP OMG SHOCKWAVE RIDDIM

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― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

alozade + g-money kill it

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)

hm too much coffee today

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess Harvell OTM

― Toad, Wednesday, 17 September 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

really very useful thread, this

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic or Dud?

― Toad, Wednesday, 17 September 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

banana pasty

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the same thing yesterday
....only different

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

stuff deubstep up ur fassy hole

― face-t, Wednesday, 17 September 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

whatever happened to stelfux?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The dancehall challenge.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

yo and if u let it into yr hearts this riddim would still flip a wig! it's kinda blokey and ridiculous now but maybe i think that cos the only other cat to list it is er... kevin martin, in the dire fact mag

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Junglist massive.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

haha well there's my favorite music ever done then

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Glad to be of service.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Next week, ILM's guide to rockabilly!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm still around jess but have been a bit busy... blogging and working and writing for posh places is getting in the way of ilx-frequenting, just as it should...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

...

as much as i love a dm + jemini fan thred derailment there r still a couple of clips up on soundquake if u like, the best ones have gone sadly and the sean paul one is really duff as far as his usual interpretations go but the remaining assassin piece is pretty... oh fuck it

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

(eddie's sweet but trevor actually knows his onions)

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

this is part of the reason i'm not round here so much - you really are a stupid cunt

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Prima and Dave's feud is incredibly enigmatic. Did one of you kill the other's father or something?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave stole Prima's previous 2 aliases and sold them for magic beans.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

no tim, it is incredibly annoying, childish, crushingly dull and (i've said this before) really rather creepy from my point of view. it's also something i am keen to avoid, so i'll apologise to all concerned for the foul language (sometimes a word just works, though) and head to my blog and my day job and a relatively happy life where i don't have to pay any mind to such foolishness...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

the impossible dream.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

so anyway, how does one go about hearing this?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

because i downloaded some hatcha dj sets this summer and OH MY GOD THE BORINGNESS

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

it's just... dave's a salad cream kind of guy. oh! i feel terrible now, i better let u get back to work dave

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

it was only ever ever on soundquake! it must have been a german riddim. at this point i would feel the most profound tearful remittance were someone to comment on this FUCKING AVERAGE-ASS riddim! can i get a "meh"!

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

and the soundtrack to this tender last dance is jay-z 'encore'

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

this is actually getting close to being mildly amusing and diverting now. i really wish i knew who prima/chip is and what he actually *does* apart from twatting around on the internet and finding any opportunity to take potshots at me in a strange, almost stalker-like kinda way. personally, i think he actually wants to *be* me or something else. it's like a boy pulling a girl's pigtails or an obsessive nutjob making crank calls to the lone housewife down the road... if there's something you need to talk about, mate, mail me off-list and i'll try to point you in the right direction to get appropriate help, otherwise just leave me alone because i don't have time for this... shaking head and wishing i'd never checked my blog referrals now

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Hatcha sets are an aquired taste. once you've got a taste for them they hit the spot like nothing else...

My DJ of the year no question.

― martin (martin), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

and for one last time i need you to roar

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

but martin you're missing the complete and entire point of this thread... it's not "cool" to like this sort of stuff... i mean how can you or i or anyone who goes to a variety of differents styles of garage nights, buys records, lives where it's all happening, i sinvolved with the culture etc possibly begin to know anything about the grand, definitive theoretical and aesthetic positions at work here... you and i can learn from this thread, pal...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

oh god... hold me back!

Merry Christmas Dave ;)

― Ben Williams, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

so is there a shockwave riddim? can one hear it anywhere?

zemko explained the thing with him and dave to me down the pub once i think (that one near russell square), but i've forgotten what he said. i was drunk and people were talking about cremaster films.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

is there anywhere internet-based to hear these hatcha sets or should i start listening to rinse again? when's he on rinse, anyway?

ps zemko have you tried seeing if you can pick up deja vu recently? i seem to remember you couldn't and neither could i, but i can now down in finchley rd so it might be worth a try?

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

toby i got them off of slsk ages ago, but frankly yr better off not bothering (dooga-dooga-dooga-"menacing kung-fu sample"-texture bit from old metalheadz record-dooga-dooga-dooga repeat.)

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

haha i have not quite worked out how this differs from grime on paper, but the net effect is way way different.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

rapping, for starters.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

it's prissy stomping too, like solomon grundy in ballet slippers.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

well toby i wish he would explain it to me, then again i'm just as happy thinking he's a twat

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm wary of dismissing current dubstep out of hand but with a few exceptions most of what I've heard recently just sounds like drabber versions of what they were doing two years ago. Nadir was a new Horsepower Productions track on dubstep recently, which sounded like the dubstep equivalent of Jonny L's "Piper". Interestingly I've been thinking long and hard recently about what is "wrong" with "Piper" and if I can get it down on paper it might also explain better why I'm no longer feeling dubstep so much.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 December 2003 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

ever since Forward>> started i've heard endless arguments about why people hate dubstep.

4/4 garage purists think it's "not garage" (but then nor is grime).
grime headz think it doesnt do it the raves.
house fans say it's too dark.
drum n bass fans say it's too mellow.
now mr stelfox tells me it has no "grand, definitive theoretical and aesthetic positions "

but to me no subgenre has such sonic diversity (asian, oriental, african, jamaican, british, US sound sources), engaging rhythmic patterns and impact on a loud soundsystem.

― martin (martin), Thursday, 18 December 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

nah, that wasn't what i was saying martin, i've mailed you as i don't want to take part in this thread any further.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 18 December 2003 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

no dont worry dave i got what you were saying...

― martin (martin), Thursday, 18 December 2003 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

well doomie's back now anyway

toby: heteronyms nigga! haha i wish i had made up shockwave riddim now, as i say it's there on soundquake only, but don't expect much. i havent tried to pick up deja lately no, i would for ruff sqwad but they r on at 4pm mondays or some other funny time no? tell u what i did find, 101.9fm friday nights: moviestar johnny's bashment selection, brill dancehall show

― prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 18 December 2003 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

just thought i'd report back as i heard this rhythm yesterday. i didn't expect it to be good, but even with expectations set extremely low it remained utterly unremarkable. suffice to say there's a reason it's not widely available.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 28 December 2003 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

haha

― adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 17 February 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

just saw her at studio b.. maybe the best DJing i've heard.. ever. except for a handful of recognizable tracks, it was like she was just sculpting a set from dj tools... the rhythms were restless and the textured odd and alluring...at one early point, it sound like an effortless mix of ragga and techno (unlike the effortful mix of same by jahcoozi), then bits of the modeselektor/yorke track floated in, and it become something else.. all of it mercilessly jacking.

lol dubstep

― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 11 May 2008 17:26 (seventeen years ago)

Classic thread this. I never did find out what the feud b/w Stelfox and rtc was about.

― Tim F, Monday, 12 May 2008 00:22 (seventeen years ago)

"Interestingly I've been thinking long and hard recently about what is "wrong" with "Piper" and if I can get it down on paper it might also explain better why I'm no longer feeling dubstep so much.

-- Tim Finney (Tim Finney)"

what *is* wrong with "Piper"? i would love to hear that. and what does it have to do with dubstep in any way? Jonny L was making excellent drum and bass influenced by the structure of techno, way more interesting than the supposed techno influenced dubstep of today is that's for sure.

― pipecock, Monday, 12 May 2008 15:15 (seventeen years ago)

The dancehall challenge.

-- @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:54 PM (4 years ago)

ha that link now says:

You're about to be redirected

The blog that used to be here is now at http://www.youporntube.co.uk/.
Do you wish to be redirected?

― am0n, Monday, 12 May 2008 15:45 (seventeen years ago)

"what *is* wrong with "Piper"? i would love to hear that. and what does it have to do with dubstep in any way? Jonny L was making excellent drum and bass influenced by the structure of techno, way more interesting than the supposed techno influenced dubstep of today is that's for sure."

If "Piper" is drum and bass "influenced by the structure of techno" then all it seems to be saying about the structure of techno is that it's linear, rigid, unleavened monotony.

Not that "Piper" was the worst for this by any measure, but I would think it almost goes without saying that it was the beginning of the end for mainstream drum and bass in terms of finalising the switch from "rhythmic danger" to boring linear beats + needlessly fiddly sound engineering.

Anyway a lot of dubstep that I dislike sounds similar.

But the current dubstep actually influenced by techno (rather than stuff that sounds like drum & bass influenced by techno) - Peverelist, 2562, Shackleton and so on - sounds nothing like "Piper" I'll agree. It's much better on the whole!

― Tim F, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:19 (seventeen years ago)

(this is not an attack on Jonny L - his albums around that time had some good stuff on them, although Magnetic gets a bit overrated in certain quarters.

― Tim F, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:20 (seventeen years ago)

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