mandy moore - candy

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its long been due time to reevaluate this incredible, gorgeous song, the intro alone puts it worlds above almost all other teen girl ballads -- yeah omg i know!! but i mean ballads not dance pop jams, which this isnt, i think. the whole thing has this kinda sleepy wistful late night to early morning feel that pop radio did so well in the late 90s/early 00s (see also aaliyah - are you that somebody, semisonic - closing time, that eve 6 song), its so transient and subtlely engaging that when its over you dont even feel like you listened to a song but its changed your emotional state entirely

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

It's kind of a shame that Mandy Moore never again released a song as good as this one because I think she's got a great voice.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i was gonna say that too, shes a way better singer than britney and not all snide and annoying like xtina

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

yall can talk about late 90s pop radio too if you want

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

How over-the-top, unashamedly rich-little-girl was the clip that accompanied that song?

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah her voice was great, she strangly dropped off the radar in this country (UK) after that single though (i seem to remember a follow up single as well though), although she seems to be getting some attention these days. just looked her up on allmusic, and it turns out shes 8 days older than me, wow.

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

no way is this a ballad! i remember thinking it was pretty lame at first, then okay and catchy. i didn't notice her voice being that hot either but i guess i wasn't really paying enough attention.

what about Jessica Simpson and that insane Mellencamp-sampling thing?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Semantics question, but does one really miss candy? I mean, it's not an especially difficult commodity to come by (unless you're incarcerated or something). Missing someone like candy just seems like an awfully strange sentiment. Or maybe the song was written by a chronic diabetic!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah hospital food sure is shitty!!! whats the DEAL with airplane peanuts!!

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a wonderful song yeah, sexier than anything Britney or Xtina did. A ballad? Ballads have got faster possibly (I have spent 3 days solid listening to 50s crooner ballads so "Candy" would seem like gabba to me now) "In My Pocket" was good too though. If the Jessica one is the one I'm thinking of I'm a big fan.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think I've heard this one, but I really liked "I Wanna Be With You."

― Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

mtv hits uses this as their theme song (well, the intro at least) for good reason

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

really??

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

yes. vh1 hits uses the rathergood kittens, though no "immigrant song" cuz zep apparently got no sense of humour :(

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

>>>yeah her voice was great, she strangly dropped off the radar in this country (UK) after that single though (i seem to remember a follow up single as well though), although she seems to be getting some attention these days. just looked her up on allmusic, and it turns out shes 8 days older than me, wow.

mtv is solely responsible for sustaining her career. she didn't have much output music-wise in proportion to how often she was on that channel. she was constantly on trl, she had her own show, she got hooked up with one of those mtv films, etc. i wonder who at the network owes her or her handlers favors. despite all of this, i still basically like her and her stuff

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i like this song, but the whole "candy" thing made me cringe at the time. it conjures up images of creepy old men "hey little girl would you like a sweetie", shudder. in my pocket is FANTASTIC. i definitely dispute that either of those songs was sexier than christina did, man "come on over" and "genie in a bottle" are HOTT!

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

mtv is solely responsible for sustaining her career.

Also she is now going out with Andy Roddick. She's not blonde any more, is she?

'Candy' is wonderful, though at the time I'm afraid I dismissed it as sub-Britney copyism.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

>>>She's not blonde any more, is she?

and i love her for it..

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

alex a partial answer is that candy is more appropriate for her age and scene than cocaine or heroin (NB there is a great electroclash remix in this somewhere).

the song is associated heavily in my mind with college... first of all, i do miss candy as my friend and i used to use a coathanger to steal from the candy machines and it was a lot of fun and i am nostalgic (the machines had been shut down due to drunken people breaking the glass so we werent preventing others from getting candy unless they too were using coathangers. incidentally, this same friend accidentally discovered, while using a friends computer, an amateur porn video of his friend's girlfriend stripping. the song? "candy" by mandy moore.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

omg thank you ilm i love this thread : )

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"Candy" - classic
"I Wanna Be With You" - classic
"In My Pocket" - classic

What happened to her?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 September 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

New album "Coverage" - a covers album - being shared widely, Tim. Her cover of XTC's "Senses Working Overtime" is a beautiful thing, though it does prune the original track a bit. First single on American radio now, I think.

I learned to love Mandy when my sister asked me to make her a compilation of pop with the stipulation that there be no boys on it. Still don't like Candy, but those other two singles are choice.

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

A Walk To Remember was so great.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't decide whether Trife is taking the piss or not! Trife, are you taking the piss? Your love of multivalent ironic stirring has me in a dither.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

abt loving ilm or mandy??

― trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

im only ironic on ile

― trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Aha, cheers.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm only iconic on ile.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

and moronic everywhere else.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm only trying unsuccessfully to be funny cos theres nothing else to do.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I was laughing, LML. However, people tell me I often laugh at jokes that aren't very funny.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

my real life jokes would have you pissing yourself then.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

More than normal, you mean? I'm not as young as I used to be.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, are people outside of america not aware she's a big movie star now?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not aware, Mr Blount. Is she still doing music?

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

she has an album of covers (xtc, joe jackson, todd rundgren) coming out that's really disappointing (great album cover though), but all the magazine covers she's getting now come from her movie career.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think the song is "wistful" as much as "shitty."

And the video made me sick. The sexuality they tried playing with and the enuendo behind the words -- I know, if I found it to be sexual that's partially my fault, but I beg to differ in this case -- didn't sit well.

― David Allen, Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"innuendo"

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry.

― David Allen, Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

there isn't nearly as much innuendo (or enuendo or nundoh) in this as there is in "I want candy" (nevermind whether this innewingdoe is "sickening")(ie. why do hipsters big up gainsbourg but then declare britney/xina/mandy/jessica simpson beyond the pale?)(oh, I forgot, gainsbourg's a man!)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

My natural disinclination towards teen pop is tripped really really hard by this song. But what I really don't like about it is the horrible spoken part. "love always... mandy" Gack. What a horrible line. What if her name wasn't Mandy? What would she be missing you like?

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha ha!!

Brilliant. It has nothing to do with the fact that Gainsbourg was a full grown man who wrote his own music. Nope. Sexism.

― David Allen, Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, I forgot, "auteurism"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - "autuerism" rather

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

or, to spell it another way, "bullshit"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I can guarantee you if Lil' Bow Wow's record company wrote him a rap to do on album about the women he wanted to fuck, I would find it equally distasteful.

― David Allen, Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I find it sexist, however, that you are a-okay with a record company pushing sex with an underage girl in order to ship a few more units.

― David Allen, Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

why?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

ie. why is it ok for polygram to push sex with an underaged girl to ship a few more units but not for epic?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

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trife OTM. ppl always talk about music for the teenage gurls but what about the boys!?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 18 September 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

wait a minute dan the video RUINED candy for you??!

I was what, 27, when that video came out? Fifteen-year-olds acting play-sexy = k-skeevy (which, since I'm not in the target demographic, is perfectly fine and shows that my socialization is still working).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 September 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, have you been to a mall recently?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

blount looking is as bad as touching sometimes.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't say I'd been to a mall recently!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I have been to a mall recently and no, 15-year-old girls who LOOK LIKE THEY ARE 15-YEAR-OLD-GIRLS (a very fair description of Mandy Moore when "Candy" came out) are not attractive to me, regardless of how they dress.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm just saying there's nothing particularly notable about Mandy Moore's wardrobe in comparison to most other 15 yr old girls.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

whats it got to do with the way she dressed? it was all that pouty shit at the camera that was skeevy.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 18 September 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

change 'wardrobe' to 'pout' and it still stands

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

And it's still completely tangential to the point that girls that age doing that is not attractive to my libido and when I think about guys my age for whom that IS attractive, I get skeeved out.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 September 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

but mandy's not doing it for guys your/my age (ie. the skeeviness can't be used against her)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Sez who? I will use skeeviness against whomever gets in my sights.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 September 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

do people here think 15 year old girls don't think about or even - gasp! - have sex, or that this is a bad (sorry, "skeevy") thing? I mean I might be able to take the 'mandy moore suxx cuz she acted sexy before the age of consent in certain states' more seriously if it wasn't coming in such a michael medved wrapper.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Have fun with your strawman, Blount.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 September 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

have fun with yours!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, I finally saw the video and the only part that struck me as 'skeevy' was when she's looking straightup thru her sunroof and singing instead of keeping her eyes on the road, and now I'm wondering if my sister kept having traffic offenses in high school cuz she was singing thru the sunroof of her vw beetle (if so, shame on you mandy moore)(also, I don't get it - if she's fifteen there, how is she driving without an adult in the car with her?)(does the skeeviness never stop?)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, you're right.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 September 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

nobody is saying mandy moore sucks, blount. nobody is denying that there are plenty of sexually provocative or even sexually active 15 year old girls in the world. i wish certain people on this board would stop acting like popstresses are damsels in distress who need to be rescued, its so lame and transparent.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 18 September 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

she needs to be rescued from andy roddick!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

who the hell is andy roddick?

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 18 September 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

a dragon what has captured our mandy!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

She was 15!??? OK, my hur hur hur above is innaccurate then. This is what comes of not watching videos.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 18 September 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

- a beast most foul!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I still don't get how she was driving in the video if she was only fifteen - do they routinely let people break the law if they say "oh, but we're making a music video"?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Dianne sits in the back seat of Jackie's car.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 September 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

ftr i like trife's idea about ms moore appealing to boys who were her age at the time. however how many of said 15 year old boys took her seriously? but yeah, i still think its heading into dodgy territory...

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 18 September 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i do not understand dom's comment at all, but i am paranoid that he is making fun of me.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 18 September 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I still don't get how she was driving in the video if she was only fifteen - do they routinely let people break the law if they say "oh, but we're making a music video"?

Prolly used a stunt driver with a wig.

Something tells me she'll be releasing less albums, in view of this acting lark.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 18 September 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

she's releasing them for "herself" now

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yet, she's still using a distributor to get it out.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 18 September 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

it's called an "artistic journey"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Not if you aren't distributing copies by hand, from the trunk of your car.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 18 September 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

it is if you cover joan armatrading

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 September 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Dom who's Jackie?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 19 September 2003 10:23 (twenty-two years ago)

An American kid growing up in the Heartland. He's going to be a football star.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Friday, 19 September 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yr not Dom

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 19 September 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, i just figured it out. not that anyone cares, but i once was sitting in a car with a dude called jack when that song came on the radio.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Saturday, 20 September 2003 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

life goes on, long after the thrill of living is gone

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 20 September 2003 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

you saying dom is a zoombie-like creature? surely not!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 20 September 2003 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

I found this in the "Momus Momus Momus" thread category for some reason. Feel the need to resurrect it for the purpose of quoting this bit, which changed my life for ten minutes a few weeks ago:

You know who you are
Your love is as sweet as candy
I’ll be forever yours
Love always, Mandy

Rivals that bit in the second verse of Jessica's "I Think I'm In Love"

― Atnevon (Atnevon), Thursday, 30 December 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago)

Coverage was really dissapointing apart from "Can We Still Be Friends?"

― C0L1N B--KETT, Thursday, 30 December 2004 01:20 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't disappointed by Coverage at all. Actually, I was amazed that it possessed any merit whatsoever.

― Atnevon (Atnevon), Thursday, 30 December 2004 23:40 (twenty years ago)

nine years pass...

This is the only song of the late 90s pop phase that holds up in 2014.

― avant-sarsgaard (litel), Friday, 24 October 2014 07:09 (eleven years ago)

not even close! it is a classic tho

― dyl, Friday, 24 October 2014 15:27 (eleven years ago)

If any song should take that title, it's Jennifer Paige's Crush.

― MarkoP, Friday, 24 October 2014 15:41 (eleven years ago)

^ definitely a strong contender

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 October 2014 15:44 (eleven years ago)

why you make contemporary mandy moore cry by praising her early records?

― I dunno. (amateurist), Sunday, 26 October 2014 01:57 (eleven years ago)

five years pass...

y'all i have been *loving* the new mandy moore songs

― american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 2 November 2019 17:09 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5yM8lHoOAk

they're both very fleetwood mac-core

― american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 2 November 2019 17:10 (six years ago)

lmao how did i do that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kcJef4ld9s

― american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 2 November 2019 17:11 (six years ago)

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