Disco Punk bands?

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OK, so there is the obvious crop of DFA-related material, but did Disco-Punk exist outside of their circle. I really cannot think of much outside of the DFA. Most of the music I listened to in relation to DP was comp-based, New York Noise, Disco Not Disco, Mutant Disco/No New York; old stuff that had the potential to form the threads of a new genre, but never really took off.

Also, have we decided Disco-Punk is dead? A stereotypically closed minded punk friend of mine, who used to look at me like I was an idiot when I brought up The DFA this time last year, just told me about this band called The Rapture. Is this the end?

Mike Taylor (mjt), Saturday, 20 September 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

My roommate to thread. He listens to stuff like this all the time, a lot of which is new I think.

A stereotypically closed minded punk friend of mine, who used to look at me like I was an idiot when I brought up The DFA this time last year, just told me about this band called The Rapture.

Yes, it's the kind of dead where people are listening to it. (not as sarcastic as it sounds, lots of people will hate it for this, obv) I hope there's not a hipster backlash against dance-rock, because that's the best kind of rock, clearly

Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 20 September 2003 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

it just seems like the hype has run out of steam.

astroblaster (astroblaster), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, it seems like the DFA are trying to take their time and make a career out of it... Time will tell if this is a good move. I AM however looking forward to the new LCD Soundsystem single very much

Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

disco-punk kinda started with Blondie, Taking Heads, The Slits, The Clash, The Fall and co. right (all those bands distinctly different from each other but all definitely fused elements of punk and disco in their sound in often similar ways)? i like the modern incantation a lot because the influences are so unashamedly worn on the sleeve and the zeitgeist dictates this is a good time to hear that sound/style again and i feel compelled to agree. The Rapture album is pretty dam good. my favourite disco punk track at the moment is currently Was Not Was' 'Wheel Me Out' tho it's a lot more disco than punk.

it is actually tricky to id modern disco-punk outside of the DFA. under the big beat label the likes of Lo Fidelity All Stars and Campag Velocet kinda touched on it a few years back ('Kool Rok Bass', 'Blisters On My Brain' and 'Bon Chic Bon Genre' are still great tracks), i always think of Happy Mondays' 'WFL' as a disco-punk track as much as indie or acid house...tho maybe it's a little slow. there was a thread for a Disco Punk CD/c90 not too long ago and even tracks like Duran Duran's 'Girls On Film' seemed apt.

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Sonny A. first post OTM

chris herrington (chris herrington), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

oh no people are listening to it OH NO !

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

for non-DFA disco punk also check out Soft Pink Truth and Zongamin (veers more to electro at times but certain tracks right otdpm)

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 21 September 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

any tracks in particular?

s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 21 September 2003 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

scratch Soft Pink truth, they're more electro-glitch with attitude

as for Zongamin, check 'spiral', 'whiplash', 'j shivers theme', 'tunnel music' although they would probably be a lot better with lyrics

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 21 September 2003 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)

!!!, Outhud, Tussle (all troubleman bands)

and yes it is dead. the 80s revival could only last so long. get ready for ironic grunge.

JasonD (JasonD), Sunday, 21 September 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

search - pulsallama, thee great lost disco punk band.

stirmonster, Sunday, 21 September 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

and yes it is dead

yr so wrong! unlike horrendously ill advised revivals / movements such as electroclash, punk funk / disco punk (whatever you want to call it) isn't going to go away over night because it was never a revival to begin with. it is a continuum that has existed since 1978(ish) and the glare of a hype frenzied media won't kill it. either will a lot of jaded hipsters eager for the next "NEXT". i think we are going to see an onslaught of new music basing itself on the punk funk template but hopefully taking it into new and intriguing realms. a lot of 'rock' kids have discovered they want to groove out and a lot of 'electronic' kids have at last seen the power of the rock dynamic.

i think the germans in particular are going to do something really interesting here and i am very excited. check lopazz feat. alexcortex as a starting point.

i look forward to an ilm thread this time next year where people start jumping back on the bandwagon.

stirmonster, Sunday, 21 September 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lancashire/going_out/clubbing/2003/04/02/discopunk.shtml

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 21 September 2003 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, it's the kind of dead where people are listening to it. (not as sarcastic as it sounds, lots of people will hate it for this, obv) I hope there's not a hipster backlash against dance-rock, because that's the best kind of rock, clearly

I think people misunderstood what I was getting at. Basically, DFA has signed with Universal, and all of the press they have done has finally filtered down to people that usually don't catch this kind of stuff. This means that a backlash from those people will be brewing in another year. I was asking if there was another tier of this music that could sustain it after the backlash.

The reason I ask if it has died is because I do not see a secondary crop of bands/producers who are taking it to the next step in a scene oriented fashion. DFA has managed to make a name-brand out of DP, but there does not seem like there is much material to support the idea of a self-sustaining genre. I think the clock is ticking for the PD meme, and I have not come across anything that hit as hard or was as organized as the DFA.

As far as older disco punk material goes, I don't think it is relevant. Are there a bunch of teenage kids listening listening to this stuff? At least as far as my perception of this music goes, it is nothing but 20-something hipsters listening to it. I think kids are banging nu-garage not Dinosaur L. Most kids like Bright Eyes, not James Chance and the Contortions.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 21 September 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, I am more concerned with the NOW of DP, rather than the BACK THEN aspect of it. Those records will always go in and out of fashion, I want to know what people are doing with them right now.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 21 September 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

That BBC article is the worst - Out HOOD? Say, what?

Michael Dieter, Monday, 22 September 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

stirmonster is otm about the German scene-Gomma ahs been doing some fat work on their end and their star act, Headman, seems to have half a dozen side projects (ie Manhead, and their own label, Relish Records) and some great remixes-check Seelenluft's 'Manila'. Other names I remember from the Muzik DP issue are the Liars, Errase Errata and Jeans Team, and don't forget Output.

Barima (Barima), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Just a thought about Mike's point re: the DFA's organisation and their unique position-seems to me DFA wanna be the next Factory (or "special like Factory"), whereas Output come across a little like the new Mo'Wax, which is not necessarily a good thing. Also the Neptunes comparisons to the DFA have some considerable weight in this context.

Barima (Barima), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

There is a disco-punk night in Manila!

Also - London has a rash of amateur disco-punk bands, so expect lots of rapture-a-likes from that end too.

Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

the dfa/dfa records never tried or wanted to brand themselves as "disco punk" or release music that would fit solely into that category. they wanted to brand themselves as being the high quality alternative to whatever else was being done, regardless of genre. production work for radio 4 and the huge amount of attention that the rapture and the first lcd single got means that dfa = disco punk in people's minds, but their vision isn't so narrow - the juan maclean record is a dance record, left-field maybe, but certainly not disco punk, and my favorite dfa production job aside from the rapture is the hip hop record they did that's been shelved by capitol.
likewise the rapture, who have gotten a tremendous push from the media laser on all things dp, have no desire to remain in a style ghetto and don't feel particularly connected to bands within the so-called scene. it's hard to sustain a movement if the most talented proponents - the dfa, the rapture, errase errata, liars, the juan maclean, mu, etc - are more interested in progressing musically and have little to no interest in aligning themselves with said movement.
does this make any sense at all?

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

sure, but isn't that true of most talented bands associated with any movement? does that make them less a part of it?

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

like, would the cure have ever said "we're just interested in being a goth band and nothing else"

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

no, i get what you're saying. but it seems to me that bands these days are much more media-aware and much more paranoid about how they appear and more sensitive to backlash, especially coming out of the diy/white van u.s. punk scene that the rapture or e.e., for instance, came out of.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

for sure, but at the same time it seems like they're a little more open to their images being manipulated in ways that would be verboten in the diy days... like rapture songs being played at european fashion shows and stuff...

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

agreed. it's a fine line that makes my brain hurt.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

it's kind of fun that way though, and perhaps part of their greater strategy--to keep their image points of reference so spread out that it's hard to dismiss them on the grounds of being this or that.

I don't know if that made any sense, I'm eating cereal as I type this.

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

total sense. you're 100% otm.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

the dfa/dfa records never tried or wanted to brand themselves as "disco punk" or release music that would fit solely into that category. they wanted to brand themselves as being the high quality alternative to whatever else was being done, regardless of genre. production work for radio 4 and the huge amount of attention that the rapture and the first lcd single got means that dfa = disco punk in people's minds, but their vision isn't so narrow - the juan maclean record is a dance record, left-field maybe, but certainly not disco punk, and my favorite dfa production job aside from the rapture is the hip hop record they did that's been shelved by capitol.

the first time i ever heard any production by the dfa was the very seldom heard record a new machine for living by turing machine (featuring my (and hstencil's?) dream lineup off ex-PITCHBLENDE members: justin chearno and scott desimon with gerard fuchs of VINELAND). [search: "flip-book oscilloscope"].

but yeah, i think it's one of the earliest dfa's productions and it is neither disco nor punk... and to think, at the time, that the rapture were just some gravity records band from san francisco and !!! were dirty smelly hippies from sacramento.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 September 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

*sheds tear for lost youth*

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 22 September 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

well, it must be said, my hope for the entire scene (if it even is one) was dampened when i found out that Liars (my favorite modern band that fits the description) lost their bassist and drummer and dont plan on replacing them. i really hope their bass player sticks with then genre, he's perfect for it.

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 22 September 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"yr so wrong! unlike horrendously ill advised revivals / movements such as electroclash, punk funk / disco punk (whatever you want to call it) isn't going to go away over night because it was never a revival to begin with."

This distinction is setting off my bullshit detector in a rather massive way.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Outside of rare shit and random stuff like Primal Scream's 'Blood Money', the DFA's diversity is seriously being held down/unreleased and it's a BIG shame (they're happy with producing the bands they work with obv but their desire to branch out is pretty apparent). I can understand them refusing Craig David but it's only a matter of time before they hook up with someone their label will actually release the result for.

stirmonster's point about rock and electronic kids=Chemical Brothers in not existing shocker!

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 07:56 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as older disco punk material goes, I don't think it is relevant. Are there a bunch of teenage kids listening listening to this stuff? At least as far as my perception of this music goes, it is nothing but 20-something hipsters listening to it. I think kids are banging nu-garage not Dinosaur L. Most kids like Bright Eyes, not James Chance and the Contortions.

in glasgow at least, the kids are buying the polder material by the crate load.


stirmonster's point about rock and electronic kids=Chemical Brothers in not existing shocker!

aye, but the chemical brothers are a stinking pile of steaming shite.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 23 September 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...
Check out 'Weekend' by Phreek, a Patrick Adams production - great disco-punk from a disco-point-of-view...

Vincent Vern, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven months pass...
So erm, disco punk, did it really happen then?

I lost my edge.

Disc O'Dell, Thursday, 30 September 2004 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

the ILM thread jumping back on the bandwagon seems sadly absent.

also the idea that electroclash "went away" now seems like the most utterly ridiculous one on this thread.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Ronan. We could almost be provoked into say electroclash is all that remains of electro, outside the underground.

We might want to stretch it even further, and say that electroclash, and its progeny, is all that remains of club music, outside the underground. Go to a popular club these days, and what do you hear all night long? So much for the death of electroclash.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 30 September 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

electro dominates club music completely now, at least in the manner house always has, but the reason the "clash" part is removed is because all types of house are now assimilating the electro influence.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I red EMI has bought DFA; thought might be revelant to this thread.

Diego Valladolid (dvalladt), Thursday, 30 September 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant "read", not "red"!

Diego Valladolid (dvalladt), Thursday, 30 September 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Discopunk is responsible for my #1 single of '02, '03 and (with three months to go, anyway) '04.

Probably the most exciting musical movement I've yet to experience first-hand.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 30 September 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I sorta think the "clash" part is pretty minor now. The assimilation of electro into house has been two-way, and I think really the result is the best of both worlds - who wants electro you can't dance to?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

yr so wrong! unlike horrendously ill advised revivals / movements such as electroclash, punk funk / disco punk (whatever you want to call it) isn't going to go away over night because it was never a revival to begin with.

Even beyond the "electro has become a firm influence upon club music" argument, it isn't as if the idea of fashion-obsessed pop music had ever been a discarded concept (Duran Duran and the New Romantics in the late seventies/early eighties, Erasure and the Pet Shop Boys in the late eighties, My Life Story and RoMoin the early-to-mid nineties). It's fallen in and out of favor, maybe, but the same can certainly be said about "punk funk" or "disco funk."

Atnevon (Atnevon), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Have Gang of Four stopped being the choiciest band to rip-off at the moment elsewhere in the world yet?

Sasha (sgh), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)


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