Also, have we decided Disco-Punk is dead? A stereotypically closed minded punk friend of mine, who used to look at me like I was an idiot when I brought up The DFA this time last year, just told me about this band called The Rapture. Is this the end?
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Saturday, 20 September 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)
A stereotypically closed minded punk friend of mine, who used to look at me like I was an idiot when I brought up The DFA this time last year, just told me about this band called The Rapture.
Yes, it's the kind of dead where people are listening to it. (not as sarcastic as it sounds, lots of people will hate it for this, obv) I hope there's not a hipster backlash against dance-rock, because that's the best kind of rock, clearly
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 20 September 2003 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― astroblaster (astroblaster), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)
it is actually tricky to id modern disco-punk outside of the DFA. under the big beat label the likes of Lo Fidelity All Stars and Campag Velocet kinda touched on it a few years back ('Kool Rok Bass', 'Blisters On My Brain' and 'Bon Chic Bon Genre' are still great tracks), i always think of Happy Mondays' 'WFL' as a disco-punk track as much as indie or acid house...tho maybe it's a little slow. there was a thread for a Disco Punk CD/c90 not too long ago and even tracks like Duran Duran's 'Girls On Film' seemed apt.
― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― chris herrington (chris herrington), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Vic (Vic), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 21 September 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 21 September 2003 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)
as for Zongamin, check 'spiral', 'whiplash', 'j shivers theme', 'tunnel music' although they would probably be a lot better with lyrics
― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 21 September 2003 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)
and yes it is dead. the 80s revival could only last so long. get ready for ironic grunge.
― JasonD (JasonD), Sunday, 21 September 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― stirmonster, Sunday, 21 September 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)
yr so wrong! unlike horrendously ill advised revivals / movements such as electroclash, punk funk / disco punk (whatever you want to call it) isn't going to go away over night because it was never a revival to begin with. it is a continuum that has existed since 1978(ish) and the glare of a hype frenzied media won't kill it. either will a lot of jaded hipsters eager for the next "NEXT". i think we are going to see an onslaught of new music basing itself on the punk funk template but hopefully taking it into new and intriguing realms. a lot of 'rock' kids have discovered they want to groove out and a lot of 'electronic' kids have at last seen the power of the rock dynamic.
i think the germans in particular are going to do something really interesting here and i am very excited. check lopazz feat. alexcortex as a starting point.
i look forward to an ilm thread this time next year where people start jumping back on the bandwagon.
― stirmonster, Sunday, 21 September 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 21 September 2003 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)
I think people misunderstood what I was getting at. Basically, DFA has signed with Universal, and all of the press they have done has finally filtered down to people that usually don't catch this kind of stuff. This means that a backlash from those people will be brewing in another year. I was asking if there was another tier of this music that could sustain it after the backlash.
The reason I ask if it has died is because I do not see a secondary crop of bands/producers who are taking it to the next step in a scene oriented fashion. DFA has managed to make a name-brand out of DP, but there does not seem like there is much material to support the idea of a self-sustaining genre. I think the clock is ticking for the PD meme, and I have not come across anything that hit as hard or was as organized as the DFA.
As far as older disco punk material goes, I don't think it is relevant. Are there a bunch of teenage kids listening listening to this stuff? At least as far as my perception of this music goes, it is nothing but 20-something hipsters listening to it. I think kids are banging nu-garage not Dinosaur L. Most kids like Bright Eyes, not James Chance and the Contortions.
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 21 September 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 21 September 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― Michael Dieter, Monday, 22 September 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)
Also - London has a rash of amateur disco-punk bands, so expect lots of rapture-a-likes from that end too.
― Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)
I don't know if that made any sense, I'm eating cereal as I type this.
― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)
the first time i ever heard any production by the dfa was the very seldom heard record a new machine for living by turing machine (featuring my (and hstencil's?) dream lineup off ex-PITCHBLENDE members: justin chearno and scott desimon with gerard fuchs of VINELAND). [search: "flip-book oscilloscope"].
but yeah, i think it's one of the earliest dfa's productions and it is neither disco nor punk... and to think, at the time, that the rapture were just some gravity records band from san francisco and !!! were dirty smelly hippies from sacramento.
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 September 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 22 September 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 22 September 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)
This distinction is setting off my bullshit detector in a rather massive way.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)
stirmonster's point about rock and electronic kids=Chemical Brothers in not existing shocker!
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 07:56 (twenty-two years ago)
in glasgow at least, the kids are buying the polder material by the crate load.
aye, but the chemical brothers are a stinking pile of steaming shite.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 23 September 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Vincent Vern, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)
I lost my edge.
― Disc O'Dell, Thursday, 30 September 2004 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)
also the idea that electroclash "went away" now seems like the most utterly ridiculous one on this thread.
― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)
We might want to stretch it even further, and say that electroclash, and its progeny, is all that remains of club music, outside the underground. Go to a popular club these days, and what do you hear all night long? So much for the death of electroclash.
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 30 September 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 30 September 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Diego Valladolid (dvalladt), Thursday, 30 September 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)
Probably the most exciting musical movement I've yet to experience first-hand.
― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 30 September 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)
Even beyond the "electro has become a firm influence upon club music" argument, it isn't as if the idea of fashion-obsessed pop music had ever been a discarded concept (Duran Duran and the New Romantics in the late seventies/early eighties, Erasure and the Pet Shop Boys in the late eighties, My Life Story and RoMoin the early-to-mid nineties). It's fallen in and out of favor, maybe, but the same can certainly be said about "punk funk" or "disco funk."
― Atnevon (Atnevon), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sasha (sgh), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)