The Observer Music Monthly: September 2003: Launch Issue

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what do you think of the first issue of: The Observer Music Monthly?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 21 September 2003 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

[my initial review, published on my blog:]

The Observer Music Monthly: September 2003: Launch Issue

Today, The Observer [a leading UK Sunday newspaper, owned by The Guardian Media Group] launches a supplement magazine: The Observer Music Monthly - fear not overseas readers - most of the content is online, but you will miss out on a free [boring] Blur CD !

The Observer Music Monthly is better than I expected: music wise in the fairly large reviews section it pitches itself in Mojo magazine terriority with quite a diverse range of music reviewed, a bit of everything: rock, rap, electronic, country, jazz, contemporary classical, pop, dance - no extreme metal though.

The Strokes get album of the month - whilst every critics whipping boys Limp Bizkit, get worst of the month.

The initial reviews section is prioritized into a Top 10 including:

Stuart Nicholson [who also writes for Jazzwise magazine] reviews: Esbjörn Svensson Trio - Seven Days of Falling

The "music blogosphere" is represented by Simon Reynolds who reviews: LFO - Sheath

Also The next best 15 CDs

Elsewhere in the magazine, Ricky Gervais interviews David Bowie, Dizzee Rascal is interviewed, and there are features on The Distillers and Blur.

From a advertisers viewpoint - I can see this monthly magazine been a big success [with record labels and retailers] - after all The Observer sales/ and potential readership is far superior to any rock magazine.

So from Issue 1 [by default] the Observer Music Monthly becomes Britain's best selling and most read music magazine?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 21 September 2003 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, word counts.

David. (Cozen), Sunday, 21 September 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

on a scan read, i like it, and its cheaper than all the other music mags.. good enough for me ..

jk_ (jk@gabba), Sunday, 21 September 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

It's OK, sort of what I expected. Mojo style tone plus added pop (the pretty good Hear'Say article). Bit lifeless in places (maybe that's because I don't care about Blur any more) and the Record Doctor feature is downright terrible, but I really enjoyed the Dizzee/music teacher feature - it amazed me that no one else had done that angle before. Undercuts potential po-faced middle-aged-man broadsheet seriousness with flippancy throughout (e.g. the barometer thing).

Dunno what the point in slating Limp Bizkit is when Kitty Empire's already done it in the newspaper's Review section... could say the same for most of the reviews in the magazine.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 21 September 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Nice they gave some props first time out to the women who write about music and pop culture. And speaking of moving through a "hostile and indifferent world" ...

Billie Holiday article first time out! Record Doctor's genuinely silly, but where else would you learn that DJade built a disco lounge on her Ibiza finca? And who would have guessed that David Bowie would go out of his way to mention he appreciates his fans who've bought his records ...

bflaska, Sunday, 21 September 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah the women rock hacks and Billie articles were great ideas and well written too.

thing is, Jade Jagger came across as having much better taste than Record Doctor! I'd rather have her choose music for people!

The top 10 list is a good idea but not well executed this week.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 21 September 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

it's hard to get excited abt anything to do w/jade jagger i find.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 21 September 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Having been interviewed by Miranda Sawyer (I've always found her very attractive, as it happens, and we did the interview -- for Select -- lying on my bedroom floor), I was somewhat consoled by the revelation that she has never once had sex with an interviewee. I'm glad I didn't try, then. That's little scenario has been tormenting me for years. In fact I think I'll just run it through my head one more time...

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 21 September 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't it interesting that David Bowie mentioned some of the folks of the UK R&B scene he was drawn to, the near unknowns now who kept the whole scene going and glued together?

bflaska, Sunday, 21 September 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the first issue was great (before anyone says anything to the contrary, I shall bookmark this thread for the next time anyone says ILM posters are never satisfied with a music mag).

Things I liked about it:

Being bundled in with a broadsheet, it at least bothered to credit its audience with a bit of intelligence, and more importantly wasn't persistently trying to hammer home a point, which I found endlessly irritating about the first issues of CTCL and Bang, and find in pretty much every issue of NME I ever read.

The way in which they ordered the album reviews was ace - give most space to the records people are genuinely into, and it wasn't worried about making pages text-heavy

They got decent writers in... Morley! Reynolds! Its a shame Simon R spent more of his meagre word count banging on about the "perception" of dance music than actually talking about the new LFO album, mind.

It took pop seriously.

Didn't Dizzee and Mr Smith look fantastic standing next to one another? I thought it was a great angle to cover him from, and I'm amazed no one had got round to doing it before.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 21 September 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

It took pop seriously.

Actually what I liked about the Sawyer piece is that she crystallized something I hadn't quite perceived before, or if I had heard it, hadn't quite understood, namely the idea that one can be tuned in to a wavelength to perceive someone being a pop star in the wider sense -- not in the ground-down audition programs sense, more like a matching of similar signals between person/creation and the rest of the world. Since I'm relentlessly absolutely singular in my listening, that's not something I have a sense for -- I don't feel I lack something because of it, it's just different, and I liked the way it was expressed.

The Dizzee/Smith cross comparison was a treat indeed, and Bowie's still Bowie, bless him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 21 September 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

jade jagger has the 'belly dancer' 12!

tings (tings), Sunday, 21 September 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah it wasn't bad - haven't read any of the longer articles yet but for £1.10 and a free newspaper you can't complain!

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 21 September 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

ahem check price >>> £1.40

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 21 September 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh right well in that case fuck 'em.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 21 September 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i found it extremely predictable - but with simon r and paul morley, there is hope i suppose and miranda sawyer's piece was... FUCKING AWFUL... have you all gone crazy mental?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 September 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i really didn't want to moan about this but there was very little in there that i gave a shit about and no writing that reached out and grabbed me apart from simon's lfo review - and that was only cos it had his name on it, if you know what i mean...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 September 2003 08:52 (twenty-two years ago)

is it just me or do you think it's kind of strange that everyone writing for it is over fourty? and they are writing about teen-pop music?

st tremaine, Monday, 22 September 2003 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

they're not all over 40 at all - miranda sawyer, johnny davis, akin ojumu, emma warren... if you're going to pick holes in something, at least talk sense

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 September 2003 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

it's got all the excitement of a fourty-year old discussing music?

satisfied?

rare blur cd? please? those people have brit-pop cocaine hangovers if that is a selling point..

st tremaine, Monday, 22 September 2003 08:59 (twenty-two years ago)

mmm, yeah, cos no one over 40 can write about music can they < / daft statement > i mean how are they going to understand great bands like alfie?
really, it's got nothing to do with age and everything to do with not being very interesting...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The reviews section:

1. Is the avalanche of 5/5s a production error or does someone really think Stellastarr* are that good?

2. Did Sharleen Spitoon of Texas really instruct me to listen to Glass Candy or are my eyes going wrong?

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

No one older than 30 should be allowed to write about pop music. Maybe. Speaking of which, Stelfox...?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Miranda Sawyer's piece was pretty poor, Dave is right. But I liked the piece about central African pygmies.

Teen pop music is made and marketed by the over-40s in general, I would say they are perfectly qualified to talk about it.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah they should ditch the star system maybe. I also felt sorry for the reissues where because of the album title being long they got ONE LINE of review!

Doomie it's a music magazine designed for readers of the Observer - i.e. a wide range of ages and a wide range of caring/not caring about music.

Nobody under 25 should be allowed to etc etc.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

o.k., o.k., it bored the living shit out of me... fair enough?

st tremaine, Monday, 22 September 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't read it (don't like reading stuff online that i know I can look at online). Didn't realise it was due this Sunday, and don't normally buy a Sunday paper. My weekend's been a bit fucked-up anyway, I'm not sure I would've found time to read it had I bought it. But I want to, and will see if I can nick it off my brother when I see him next (he already saves the Food Monthlies for me).

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

'like snorting a line of ajax'!

geeta, Monday, 22 September 2003 09:23 (twenty-two years ago)

you're pushing it now nick!!! since hitting my 28th year or so and still wanting to write about music; still loving it as much as ever and having, arguably, more to say about it than ever, too, i revised my early 20s opinion that only the young should be able to be pop critics... i am happy about this, coz now i disagree with julie burchill on EVERYTHING.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I think JB has a sort-of point about the NME, I mean it is pretty embarrassing seeing people trying to write like they imagine 19 year olds think.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm ashamed to say I don't disgree with Julie Burchill on everything, just almost everything. In one of her columns ages ago (18 months?) she said (and this is just recollection, but reasonably accurate) "why shouldn't relationships be lazy, escapist things with lots of sex?" Which seems really dumb out of context, but the jist of it was... Oh hell, I agreed then, and, given my current situation, still agree now. I can't make it make sense to anyone else though.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

awww, who cares...

st tremaine, Monday, 22 September 2003 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

not bad. can't believe i read the blur article to the end. jade jagger should be killed. think i would have had more fun reading it in print. one question, maybe absurdly obvious to others but not to me(?), for simon reynolds: what do the kids who think dance culture is naff listen to?

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 22 September 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

well they listen to rock don't they...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 September 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

And hands up who ended up with the IoS' "The Music Issue" instead, where Simon Price decides it was him that discovered the Darkness?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

well, is that really anything to shout about?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Just flicked through it after reading the Sawyer piece online (and discovering my housemate had bought herself a copy yesterday)... Initial thoughts are:

1) it's obviously not aimed at me, but i'd enjoy reading it of an occasion, sort of like, so this is how middle-class people in their 30s, etc, live... Not a diss, i read the Food section the same way - like, its fascinating and engaging and entertaining, but there's NO WAY that could ever be my life in there.

2) some great writers in there - Garry Mullholland, for example.

3) TERRIBLE subbing. Did no-one check this sucker before it went to the printers?

4) Distillers. I just don't get it (there you go, Tom!). Such a terminally ordinary piece of corporate rock product.

Could be a fascinating magazine, as much as broadsheet magazines can be that way. I enjoyed it, though it didn't tell me much i didn't already know, it was very very pleasant. If this sounds like faint praise it really isn't - again, it's not FOR me, and I can sense that the minute I walked across the pages... But it's fun. If it were a TV programme it'd be a late-evening channel 4 strand, like Wife Swap or Location Location Location or stuff like that...

I'm not quite sure what I;m trying to say with that last bit.

stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish they had the confidence to just run with the big word count album reviews.

Miranda Sawyer looks a bit like a female Mark E Smith.

David. (Cozen), Monday, 22 September 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Although I like MS as both a person and a writer (she's smart, not bitchy/competitive, good-natured), when I see her byline in amongst a bunch of guys' bylines when there are *no other features written by a woman* I just think 'editors, Use Other Women Please'. It's bad for all of us when only one woman is being made into a queen bee figure when she's just not like that.

When it hurts appraisal of this piece to know too much: the assertion that going out with an interviewee (which I have done, but it was about six months after the interview, and I didn't fancy him nor he me until about five and a half months after the interview) is somehow wrong sits very uneasily in this piece, and to some of us seems slightly disingenuous when the writer spent all of the Britpop years dating its most successful PR, who before had dated a flame-haired pop-star from an aptly named band.

But I did like the mag.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 22 September 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i loved this part:

Mark Rae
Grand Central label boss Mark Rae picks his five fave fish and their rapping alter egos

1 Cod
Big white belly and mouth to match. Over-popularity leads to collapse. So: Bubba Sparxxx.
2 Barracuda
Fast, sleek and vicious, hangs around built up areas taking out competition: Dizzee Rascal.
3 Brown Trout
One of nature's beauties, under pressure from Silver Rainbow. One for the enthusiast: Q-Tip.
4 Halibut
Insanely large and lean, hunts the weak at greatest depths, appears at the most expensive tables despite burying itself in the underground: 50 Cent.
5 Coelacanth
The world's greatest all-time survivor, it puts the dinosaurs to shame: Rakim.


awfully silly, awfully fun, and somehow it holds together.

bucky wunderlick (bucky), Monday, 22 September 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I found out last night that my flatmate subbed bits of the mag... some of the mistakes were indeed beyond even Grauniad levels.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 07:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Aye, it was awfully subbed wasn't it... something "passed into rock law," or similar, at some point.

Stevie - I do think the "middle class people in their 30s" thing is a bit flip... not cos I think it's inaccurate, but my housemate said exactly the same thing and I said, well what would you like to see in there then? He couldn't think of anything specific.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 07:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Stevie - I do think the "middle class people in their 30s" thing is a bit flip... not cos I think it's inaccurate, but my housemate said exactly the same thing and I said, well what would you like to see in there then? He couldn't think of anything specific.

Hey, i didn't mean it to be flip, that's their market after all... What do i think should be in it? not even thought about that, because the stuff i'd like to see in it i'm pitching for the magazines that i write for, and would certainly not expect to see in the OMM. Its by middle class people in their 30s, FOR middle class people in their 30s, but that doesn't mean i don't enjoy it as a magazine. I just know they aren't talking to *ME*.

For the record, i'd want to read features on Lightning Bolt, Icarus Line, My Morning Jacket, Nikki Giovanni, Saul Williams, the explosion in Calypso music in 1950s Britain, Madlib, The Hunches, Albert Ayler, The Specials, Brainiac, Biz Markie, Stevie's Wonder's auteurist soul era, Erykah Badu etc etc etc... Most of those will never feature in OMM, and that's possibly the way things should be. I enjoyed the mag, but when I read stuff like Mojo, Kerrang!, CTCL, etc, I feel like I understand those mags, and they understand *me*.

But, OMG, did you SEE the horrendous air-brushing done to Brody Distiller's face in the centre spread? i thought my contact lenses had slipped out!

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 08:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Garry Mulholland is not a great writer - at least not recently. I'm not saying this to be a pain in the arse, i just REALLY don't get him at all. Ben Thompson I quite like at times and Miranda Sawyer is a very nice person and can write like a dream, but she categorically didn't in this instance (was a terrible photograph in there, too, she's actually quite pretty Cozen!). I found the whole thing lacked imagination and was v pedestrian. It seemed to be a Jockey Slut/Sleaze Nation/i-D for the sub-Mojo crowd.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 08:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Garry Mulholland's 'This Is Uncool' book was grrrreat. I wish I had a copy. He even made an interview with Blur readable all the way to the end.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

They also spelt Shaun Ryder wrongly in the caption on Miranda Sawyer's piece - as a sub-editor by day, things like this wind me up MASSIVELY (prob a lot more than they should) and for fuck's sake are the people involved in this completely unaware of how to correctly hyphenate, too!!!????

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought fish was mr scruff's thing...

prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 08:52 (twenty-two years ago)

mark rae?!?!?!?!?! was he in there? and why? i missed this - talk about utterly irredeemable music

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Erykah Badu - nah, she'd never appeal to middle-class peeps in their thirties.
Seems odd to go to all that effort to haul in these name writers then give em 150wds. Reynolds is maybe mo famous here than in Peoria, Leicestershire, but - like WTF? Ah, Mr Shaar Murray, care to work on our listings guide...?

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

well, i suppose that was normal for him.

i met a nice guy the other...month who wries for G2. i asked him what the people were like. he said "oh, it's really varied. some are from oxford and some are even from cambridge..."

i laughed. he didn't.

CharlieNo4, Monday, 15 October 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

I have a FACEBOOK EVENT INVITE to the same party as Rosie Swash next week. Any messages y'all want passed on, just drop them here.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 15 October 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

http://drownedinsound.com/articles/2828564

Have at it.

DJ Mencap, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:43 (seventeen years ago)

Bald men, comb.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:46 (seventeen years ago)

halfway thru the OMM article... can we just neutron-bomb east london? please?

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:47 (seventeen years ago)

World famous NME hack called John tries to make a name for himself; is it really that time of year again?

I enjoyed this article though.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:47 (seventeen years ago)

i think this might be the worst passage of writing the english language has to offer:

These days, it's practically mandatory for any self-respecting new band to stitch together dizzyingly idiosyncratic sounds. Listen to synthetic futurists Late of the Pier, or the acid bleeps of Canadian duo Crystal Castles, the day-glo synth hooks of Metronomy, the schizoid grindie mash-up of Hadouken!, Vampire Weekend's 'Upper East Side Soweto' vibes or the avant-funk wigouts of Battles. Or perhaps you'd prefer Tigerpicks' fairground-punk, perky Mancunian boy-girl duo the Ting Tings, the gaudy electronica of XX Teens, or the eclectic art-pop of frYars. Not since the mid-Eighties' post-punk boom has indie looked so diverse and colourful, nor have there been so many bands with stupid names.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:50 (seventeen years ago)

dingbod, you seem to know what's poppin', is it true that noted blogger marcello carlin has a job at the nme?

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 13:50 (seventeen years ago)

Not since the mid-Eighties' post-punk boom has indie looked so diverse and colourful

WTF'd at this especially yesterday - unless she's talking about Bogshed of course

DJ Mencap, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:00 (seventeen years ago)

No idea, Henry. Why don't you drop him an email and ask him? (xp)

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:02 (seventeen years ago)

the nme guy is only halfway there, obviously -- like noodle says, it's not really worth holding up other shitty indie music against these bands. but the OMM article is really disgusting.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:02 (seventeen years ago)

what music do you like at the moment?

blueski, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:03 (seventeen years ago)

Macpherson, who goes by the stage name Frederick Blood-Royale, leads his own fight against modern vulgarity, covering pop culture ('I almost feel ashamed when I go home and watch Neighbours. I feel like I've let down my forefathers'), consideration ('If someone's made it their life to make music for you to listen to, I can't have it on in the background while I'm making a fucking bacon sandwich'), sobriety ('There's nothing to gain from choosing chemicals or alcohol to change your reality. Nothing can take you away bar death'), and artistry ('I write music for the mind. For the library'). He is immensely entertaining.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:05 (seventeen years ago)

The New Yorker critic Sasha Frere-Jones recently ignited debate in US indie circles after accusing the likes of the Arcade Fire and Wilco of being musically myopic. 'Why did so many white rock bands retreat from the ecstatic singing and intense, voice-like guitar tones of the blues, the heavy African downbeat, and the elaborate showmanship that characterised black music of the mid-20th century?' he asked. This is not an accusation that can be levelled at any of these British bands in 2008.

Jesus fucking Christ. Man, I'm always going "Wait, is this Foals or X-Clan?" when I turn the radio on.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:06 (seventeen years ago)

lots of disco

xposts

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:07 (seventeen years ago)

I'm assuming that this Macpherson chappie is no relation to Alex "The Lex" Macpherson?

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:07 (seventeen years ago)

modern or classical? xp

blueski, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:09 (seventeen years ago)

duh classical

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:10 (seventeen years ago)

“For one thing it was seemingly written by an idiot whose politics and ideology have been formed by books rather than life experiences and emotional toil.
“For another, its tone and the views expressed by the featured Public School educated bands reeked of inherent fear and disgust of the working classes.”

^ This (from NME dude) is some terrible writing/phrasing! It reads like cman at his most frenetic. I didn't bother reading the OMM article. Or the NME article, just the bit they excerpted in the DiS piece.

Who cares, I mean, really?

Good for MC if he's got writing work in NME, having someone who can ACTUALLY WRITE FOR SHIT on their staff can only make it better.

Pashmina, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:10 (seventeen years ago)

i figured (xp)

blueski, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:11 (seventeen years ago)

It all goes back to the point pscott made ages ago on these boards, that modern day "indie youth" culture, the culture of dudes like Foals, These New Puritans, that aspie cunt from Test Icicles, is the culture of the London free newspapers: Jeremy Clarkson-esque ironic-not-ironic "Mr Gordon So-Called Brown why do you allow our country to go to the dogs" news sections, party on down with MIA and Uffie in the "culture" pages.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:12 (seventeen years ago)

i'm not reading this but fuck that guy from test icicles is such a clown

J0rdan S., Monday, 21 January 2008 14:14 (seventeen years ago)

have yet to see the London free newspapers refer to 'aspies', alas

blueski, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:17 (seventeen years ago)

Wait til they profile H0ly H@il.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:18 (seventeen years ago)

or til you take over chantelle fiddy's clubbing guide

blueski, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:20 (seventeen years ago)

Which guy from TI?

Mark G, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:20 (seventeen years ago)

This (from NME dude) is some terrible writing/phrasing! It reads like cman at his most frenetic

Cut him some slack, it was conveyed in a text message! Er, all several hundred words of it. It says here. Yeah I'm confused.

DJ Mencap, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:28 (seventeen years ago)

McMahon was so incensed with the apparently haughty tone of the article that he fired out a text message to everyone in his mobile phone book detailing his concerns.

see, my pizza guy, landlord, doctor's surgery, etc., wouldn't be that interested in this debate.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:30 (seventeen years ago)

Neither would "that pissed up redhead who sucked me off in Reflex"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:32 (seventeen years ago)

Most sane people would be irritated at receiving some 180 word whinge about a fucking Observer article via a mass text, let's face it

That mong guy that's shit, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:35 (seventeen years ago)

Whereas a reasoned calm and frenetic 180 word thread post on a soothing white background is..

Mark G, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:36 (seventeen years ago)

a choice

J0rdan S., Monday, 21 January 2008 14:36 (seventeen years ago)

If somebody started spamming me with shit ILX thread ideas I'd be pretty unhappy, but thankfully that day has not yet come

That mong guy that's shit, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:38 (seventeen years ago)

Shit ILX thread ideas: what's on your iPod?

Dom Passantino, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:40 (seventeen years ago)

I noticed they quietly dropped that from the ES Magazine questionnaire since 99% of people they asked said they had no iPod. Instead they've returned to "what was the last CD you bought?" but since 100% of those answers are tedious beyond endurance ("Oh I bought Ella Fitzgerald Sings The B Shops For The Poor Songbook") it doesn't make much difference.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:43 (seventeen years ago)

it's also an insane question. "about 4000 songs".

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 21 January 2008 14:47 (seventeen years ago)

The DiS article is also unclear on why "man sends text message" should constitute a news item.

Neil S, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:02 (seventeen years ago)

I will not consider it news unless Sir Trevor McDonald reads it out on tonight's News At Ten.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 21 January 2008 15:03 (seventeen years ago)

I for one am bored of music for idiots.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 09:04 (seventeen years ago)

What about music by idiots?

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 09:45 (seventeen years ago)

I was just thinking about B Shops for the Poor yesterday. (x-x-x-x-post)

That These New Puritans album is my least favourite so for this year. Everyone I slag it off to sticks up for it tho'.

Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 09:46 (seventeen years ago)

Music BY idiots can be great. Look at Jane's Addiction. For one. Of many.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 09:48 (seventeen years ago)

Not sure why Perry Farrell was the first name that struck me as a musical idiot.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 09:48 (seventeen years ago)

I for one am bored of music for idiots.

-- Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:04 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

this music sounds like it's for idiots though...

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 10:23 (seventeen years ago)

I was gonna say, Man Like Simon Reynolds makes the same mistake in one of his articles in "Bring the Noise", the one about Radiohead, where he basically confluxes the words "intelligent" and "middle class".

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 10:25 (seventeen years ago)

when you hear thom yorke interviewed, he doesn't seem that intelligent -- and i'm not even a big radiohead hater. it's just that he says really dumb 'obvious' things like 'email keeps people apart' -- that or he goes between 'the government put snipers on the rooftops during demos' to 'gordon brown is doing good stuff for the environment' -- and gets treated like he's alain bleedin' de botton.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 10:29 (seventeen years ago)

Oh definitely; I've suspected for ages that Thumb's nowhere near as clever as people think he is.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 10:31 (seventeen years ago)

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,,2241544,00.html
"Pop music has never sounded better or more vibrant"

haha

mr x, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 10:31 (seventeen years ago)

Alain Bleedin' De Botton would make crap records though.

Perhaps TY sees "email keeps people apart" as a good thing, i.e. be mates with everyone online but GET ORF MOI LAAAARND avec rifle if they approach within 50 miles of his mansion.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 10:33 (seventeen years ago)

Thanks to Mr X for linking to the same article to which I linked upthread. Good article that.

You were told lies about the good old days. It was all Jim Reeves and Miki & Griff, trust me.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 10:34 (seventeen years ago)


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