Could somebody please explain the term "electroclash" to me?

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Uhh... Fischerspooner's "Emerge" is the quintessential electroclash song, right? Well, to me it just sounds like regular dance music!

Did any other electroclash songs make the charts? Or anything else I might recognize?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Oooh boy. Here we go.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

regular dance music

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

larry tee to thread

JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

sunglasses at night by the tiga was the other big electroclash track that made the charts
tigas mix,american gigolo,is probably the best summing up of electroclash

robin (robin), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

regular dance music + distortion setting "on" + bored singer (pref with a german/french accent)

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

electroclash is kinda like The Clash+electro=bad electro. kinda like how The Clash+dub=bad dub (*runs away from old cranky Clash fans who are probably to creaky and winded from all those cigarettes they smoke to actually catch me*)

scott seward, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Here, let me have a go (grabs microphone):

* Lots more women involved than regulartechno or electro
* Strong fashion emphasis
* Cheap drum sounds, electro beats, distortion on
* Arch/bored or crazy/wild vocals
* Lo-fi production with attitude
* Trash talking on the mike!!
* Humour (contrast with say Jeff Mills style techno)


That'll do, pig, that'll do.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

* Strong fashion emphasis

i think this more than any other separates electroclash from yr dinner table electro

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Agreed.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it 2002 again?

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's another keyword that helps classify electroclash: sass.

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 03:52 (twenty-two years ago)

It's 2001 in Australia. In the suburbs, it's 1975.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

along with sass, ass is a good keyword.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

My understanding is that the word "electoclash" originally was originally just the name of a festival organised by New York DJ/impresario/megalomaniac Larry Tee. The fact that it came to describe a genre is an accident (like most genre names I guess). I think the "clash" bit referred to the fact that the festival was originally going to represent both the New York and Berlin scenes (ie clash of cultures/scenes/sounds) but then the Berlin contingent pulled out after DJ Hell and Larry Tee stopped speaking.

Hence another electroclash keyword: ego.

Angus Gordon (angusg), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

...which raises the question, is ego a dirty word?

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

You know its not. Shirl said so.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 06:22 (twenty-two years ago)

PUT ELECTRICAL TAPE ON YOUR BODY PARTS AND OBTAIN A ASYMMETRICAL HAIRCUT. DO NOT RETYPE ONCE YOU REALIZE CAPS LOCK IS ON

autovac (autovac), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 07:48 (twenty-two years ago)

can someone please explain peanuts to me? THEY ARE NOT PEAS, THEY ARE JUST NUTS, get over yourselves people

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

* Lots more women involved than regulartechno or electro

Which is where I can't see the 80s references anymore, as 80s synthpop had almost exlusively male vocals.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

There are at least ten threads about electroclash. Many are full of comments like "it'll be over by April".


another electroclash keyword:ego

Heaven forbid some ego invade dance music, particularly at a time when its in a low ebb, all ego will do is help it!

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Electroclash of the "bored females over trashy electro beats" variety might have enjoyed a very short time in the sun, but its electro revivalism infected nearly every other dance genre (house, trance, techno, breaks). For that alone, classic.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

otm.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

all ego will do is help it!

Oh, yeah, absolutely! I didn't mean to suggest otherwise.

Angus Gordon (angusg), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

cool.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Siegbran is OTM - I was gonna post something about how odd it is that despite electroclash being "dead" there's been so much amazing electro this year, much more that I've enjoyed than last year.

I mean, for Ewan Pearson alone, classic (he even saves "The Golden Path"! He is a GENIUS!)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

electroclash is kinda like The Clash+electro=bad electro

Scott, actually The Clash + electro is called...
http://www.radioactive.net/BANDS/BAD/band.gif

Though that does equal bad electro too.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Does that Ben Banassi 'Satisfaction' track count as electroclash? It's always confused me ('always' being for the last week or so).

stormburger, Thursday, 25 September 2003 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe not "electroclash" in the really narrow sense of the word but I don't really think that the narrow meaning of electroclash really exists at this point - if Felix Da Housecat is electroclash is electroclash then "Satisfaction" is.

There's a great cash-in Ministry of Sound release in Australia called "Mashed" which goes for the more expansive definition, extending to Basement Jaxx and Tomcraft and Moguai and Gary Numan and heapsa Ewan Pearson - it's unwittingly fabulous, almost every track a killer.

Benassi's album is either astonishingly thematically consistent or astonishingly self-derivative - about six tracks do not deviate *whatsoever* from the "Satisfaction" blueprint, up to and including using the same monotone female robot vocal.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 25 September 2003 06:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish they'd called it 'elektrobank'.

Tim, that comp sounds a lot like the Ministry Electro-Tech mix comp over here. Also, I noted our mind meld growing on the top tunes thread but I wasn't much rocked by Ewan's Futureshock mix and he got outshone on Ladytron's 'Evil' by Tony Senghore (yes, I'm ruining your Ewan high). When the hell is his Swag mix out?!

Barima (Barima), Thursday, 25 September 2003 07:47 (twenty-two years ago)

The new Holly Valance single is good!

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 25 September 2003 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

'Down Boy' and its followup were mini-classic.

Barima (Barima), Thursday, 25 September 2003 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim is OTM in the sense that music fitting into the narrow meaning of electroclash barely exists anymore. And still that "it's-all-just-fashionista-bollox" argument gets used over and over again. Targeted against what?

Janne (Janne), Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Well it's usually a case of "it's-all-just-fashionista-bollox except for the one artist/DJ/band I happen to be writing about at the present moment", so the target is infinitely variable since this is just a form of rhetorical bet-hedging. Clever trick actually, wish I'd come up with it myself.

Looking forward to hearing Holly's electoclash track! Is "State of Mind" the one I'm looking for Tom? The ringtone is out already!

Angus Gordon (angusg), Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

It's 2001 in Australia. In the suburbs, it's 1975.

As a Pommie cunt recently returned to Blighty, I can confirm the OTMness of this statement.

Two questions:

1. Who is this Ewan Pearson and where do I get some?

2. Is is alright to think the new Rachel Stevens single is a. electroclash and b. damn fine? Sounds like Golfrapp to me...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 25 September 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes it is Angus!

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 25 September 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlie.


Freeform Five-Perspex Sex (Ewan Pearson Remix)

Goldfrapp-Strict Machine (Ewan Pearson Remix)

Goldfrapp-Train (Ewan Pearson Remix)

I am not sure about him saving the Golden Path though Tim, the vocal needs to be banished to hell and then I'd agree definitely.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 25 September 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Siegbran and Tim - spot on, I'm a bit (way) out of touch now but keep getting glimpses of this, like the Tiga DJ Kicks and especially the Erol Alkan Muzik mix. I'm very very tempted to import that Australian Mashed mix (tracklisting here, it is different from the Electrotech comp). The Ewan Pearson mix of "The Golden Path" mix is magnificent - get that Charlie, for starters, and as a bonus "Nude Night" will convince you that The Chems haven't completely lost it.

Mike (mratford), Thursday, 25 September 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, and the Goldfrapp mixes.

Any more pointers to this sort of thing?

Mike (mratford), Thursday, 25 September 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Nude Night is killer yeah, why release the Lame Coyne thing instead!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 25 September 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

HI I AM THE AMAZING RANDY

Amazing Randy, Thursday, 25 September 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, maybe hitting number one with Setting Sun was the worst thing that happened to them. Their mainstream status is associated with big name collaborations and they're terrified they'll be relegated to LFO territory if Observer Music Magazine readers are confronted with straight up heads down dance music, which they're still fucking good at. And most likely OMM readers will buy the singles retrospective and head straight for Hey Boy Hey Girl.

Mike (mratford), Thursday, 25 September 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"I am not sure about him saving the Golden Path though Tim, the vocal needs to be banished to hell and then I'd agree definitely."

You're right Ronan but the difference is that Ewan makes Wayne's shift from baritone to falsetto sound good instead of bad - he actually manages to frame those rising backing vocals (the "you are forgiven" part) in a way that makes sense, that lends the tune the sort of breathless awe the original wanted. So while I'll never actually like the vocals I think it's a pretty fantastic salvage job.

He did this with "Perspex Sex" too - when I listen to the original the vocals seem all out of place because Ewan's job is so definitive.

BTW Ronan did you ever hear that "Ronan Remix" of Goldfrapp's "Strict Machine"? It's pretty good!


"Also, I noted our mind meld growing on the top tunes thread but I wasn't much rocked by Ewan's Futureshock mix and he got outshone on Ladytron's 'Evil' by Tony Senghore (yes, I'm ruining your Ewan high)."

Barima, the Futureshock mix sounds underwhelming until that weedy electro synth comes in at the end and suddenly it becomes urgent and key. Ewan's big trick obviously is to keep tweaking and tweaking a tune and then throw in a curveball out of nowhere that takes it to a whole new level of largeness. When I get back from my week's sojourn I think I'll write a blog post about Ewan specifically focusing on how he brings a sense of the epic to electroclash - complementing but quite different too Jacques Du Cont's romanticist melodrama.

"I don't know, maybe hitting number one with Setting Sun was the worst thing that happened to them."

It struck me as them trying to go double or nothing on the utter failure of "The Test", and then patting themselves on the back because the result wasn't quite so astronomically bad. It's all a bit of a shame b/c I thought that, "The Test" aside, Come With Us was terrific.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I know everyone knows it but god I can't get enough of Jacques remixes, the Madonna one doesn't seem like it'll ever get out of my head.

BTW what is this "Ronan Mix"?!!? I record under "Omnipotent Baby" naturally!

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 26 September 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

he got outshone on Ladytron's 'Evil' by Tony Senghore (yes, I'm ruining your Ewan high)

I have to disagree here, Pearson turned "Evil" into a proto-rave house classic a la Expansions "Move Your Body"!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 26 September 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Senghore always leaves me cold.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 26 September 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)


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