Church Of Me - classic or dud

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Mostly classic - Marcello Carlin is a brilliant writer whose intellectual approach works best when approaching intellectual artists - for example his dissection of Scott Walker's Tilt was superb. Sometimes dud though, when over-analysing pop - Bucks Fizz just doesn't bear that weight.

P.J.Harvey-Nicks (jimjones), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 10:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I read Church Of Me, it's one of the few blogs I do read. Marcello Carlin's taste stretches far wider than mine - and although his passion for music is clear in every sentence, in some sense the subject matter is immaterial, what we're getting is a voice and a high-wire writing act. The blog is about Marcello Carlin, but in the proverbial good sense, not the self-indulgent solipsistic sense. He is quite simply a great writer, I hope he tries his hand at a novel or something.

Susan (Susan), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

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gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

PJ Harvey-Nicks and Susan are the same person FYI.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

is that person marcello?

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think so, no.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Susan popped up on the Warsaw thread a while back, right?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought about it actually over the weekend - looking at it from intimate terms, it is classic as it's one man trying to understand life and death through pop music (or life after death) but recent pieces suggest that maybe carlin is content with life and maybe the original thesis of the church of me has run its course. maybe burn down the church and start something anew? before it goes dud.

st tremaine, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

well, i think he's said so himself

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Writing from Oxford, and as a regular Oxford Tube User/M40 yo-yo: it's totally essential, but a) there's so much of the writer in it that talking of 'c or d' is a bit grim, no-one dissing the site puts themselves out there like that and b) part of the fascination is Marcello's own problematic relation to what he's doing with the blog, if it's good for him or not. Again, not easily put into C or D terms.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The truth is I don't really want or need to do CoM any more. I started CoM after I lost someone, and...well I've now found someone else, someone new to share my life with (someone I would never have met without doing CoM), and as with Laura, G's now my ideal audience. I think the Johnny Cash piece is a good place to leave things...one life is over and another begins, so it's unhelpful for me now to keep picking over what has been and gone because there is now a real future...not just a future but a present, here and now.

G does want me to carry on with it but I agree with Paul, I think it's time to draw a line under CoM and maybe start something new - less frequent, perhaps, and maybe a lot different...but it's time to move on. It's done its job and every word in it will be published in book form next year.

On another level, I just want to get back to the joy of simply listening to and enjoying music for its own sake, without analysing every bar...and listening to it in company. It does make a difference.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

People like reading your work, period, and no doubt a lot of people wd miss it, but you don't owe them, and it's laughable anyway that yr stuff is relegated to a blog when it's of such a high standard, no offense to bloggers . Nuff gush anyway.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I am just waiting for the term make your cards to fall out.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

On another level, I just want to get back to the joy of simply listening to and enjoying music for its own sake, without analysing every bar...and listening to it in company. It does make a difference.

:-) For this reason alone, I think you're doing the right thing all the way around.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

marcello, can i just say that i've enjoyed it immensely and it's been a great thingh to while away an hour or two at work with. also genuine congratulations on finding happiness again and i can understand why drawing a line under CoM would make sense in that context, but please don't stop writing! do something else!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

if he doesnt - then it will eventually lose the original draw for me. marcello, i think it should stop at the johnny cash piece. perfect ending, really. beyond that you don't want it as a infinite blog ... then it will be just dodgy internet writing. i think you know what i mean.

st tremaine, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

CoM is the one blog that I would pay money to read. I'll miss it.

mohair (jon kapper), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

hahah i'll make a note of that! ;-)

in reply to Paul's post:

Worse than that, it would be unhealthy for me. It's amazing how differently I have felt about nearly everything these last two weeks or so - and then I realised I'd just gone back to feeling the same way about life and music that I'd always felt; but, as G pointed out to me the other night, that doesn't mean I've returned to being the same person I was two years ago. I am a different human being now; the person I used to be had been slowly dying and now no longer exists. The skin has been shed but the heart is intact.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll miss it too! Looking forward to the book and whatever else you turn your hand to, Marcello. (My favourite CoM entries: the Petula Clark one, and the epic 1982 wrap-up.)

Angus Gordon (angusg), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Marcello, didnt i tell you that you will simply change after L.'s death? There is no way you can or should go back. Think of a different context to plow your way through. I think Church of Me should close!

st tremaine, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you have expressed one opinion three times that has been agreed with twice already?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry H.A.L. was talking to my friend H.A.L.

st tremaine, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I've tried to get into The Church Of Me, but it just hasn't clicked with me yet. I think Marcello's a good writer, but I've never been particularly interested in much of anything he ever posts. Maybe I'll come around to it eventually. Please don't remove the archives, Marcello!

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I understand, but CoM will be missed by a great many of us here. Selfishly, I hope it won't be that long before you feel you want to do it again, Marcello...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, when was the Tilt analysis? As it's a fave of min, I'd love to read MC's take on it, but may have missed it. Is the archive no longer working?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, Classic, one would think...
I can only agree that there's no obligation for it to continue if the writer doesn't feel it can (an imperative exhausted?); though, aw... it'll be missed, as it has been fantastic writing... a real education and joy to absorb. Thanks again, MC.
I'd like to think that Marcello could find some other forum/focus for writing, as it'd be a shame if his undeniable gifts for writing were not applied in some way...

The original long Scott Walker piece should be archived shouldn't it? If nay, tha' may 'ave t' wait for t' book! ;-)

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The archive was giving me some trouble for a bit, but I think the piece is here.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic.

Has inspired and continues to inspire me and my own (struggle) blog.

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I look forward to the book if for no other reason than it's a lot easier to browse than the blog is. I haven't read anywhere near everything on it but I've enjoyed most of what I have, and I think it's good that it will see print. Also, I've come to realize that the personal approach--which is something I had been discouraged from very early on when I was starting out as a print writer and had mostly abandoned until the past two years or so--has come back into my writing in part because of MC's example, and I'm happy to acknowledge that.

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 25 September 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, on a practical level I don't really have the time to write CoM any more - my weekends are now pretty much spoken for in different ways (i.e. in the ways they used to be) and I've actually just negotiated a four-day week at the Royal Free so that, as of next week, I will have Fridays free to do all my paid writing work, get on with the book (and other books in the pipeline!), etc. hurrah!

There will be more writing to come from me, and there will definitely be a new blog. No idea what I'm going to put in it yet except that it obviously needs to be a completely different beast from CoM - I was thinking perhaps of trying my hand, as suggested above, at some fiction, short stories, that sort of thing. Keep your eyes peeled for further developments. As for CoM, I'm not deleting it (if nothing else, for practical book-related reasons I need to keep it up there); so everything will remain available to read, so don't de-link me if you've got a link!

Another very long-term project of mine is to start a website - actual proper website with graphics, etc. - where I can post Laura's writing; so that, in a way, you can read the other side of the story. The only thing is that, in the substantial amount of writing she did do, there is nothing about music; it's mostly about art, plus some literature and philosophy. However, she was a zillion billion times smarter than me, so I'm sure it'll all be worth reading, when I eventually get round to doing it.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 25 September 2003 08:25 (twenty-two years ago)

As for CoM, I'm not deleting it

Marcello's publisher's rights dept to thread!

Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 25 September 2003 08:29 (twenty-two years ago)

marcello,i've always enjoyed reading the church of me,and i'm really really glad it has a happy ending...

as matos says,the book will be great if only cause it'll be easier to read,and its also great to see your writing being aknowledged...
good luck with your future writing,hopefully you'll keep ilm informed as to its whereabouts...

robin (robin), Thursday, 25 September 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Another very long-term project of mine is to start a website - actual proper website with graphics, etc. - where I can post Laura's writing; so that, in a way, you can read the other side of the story. The only thing is that, in the substantial amount of writing she did do, there is nothing about music; it's mostly about art, plus some literature and philosophy. However, she was a zillion billion times smarter than me, so I'm sure it'll all be worth reading, when I eventually get round to doing it.

:-) I can only put it simply: I very much look forward to this.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 September 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Ach! Marcello! Here is as good a place as any to say hello! Got yer text message the other day. I don't have reliable email access at the moment, but I've found a decent (read: cheap) web cafe.

Reading this thread, it's clicked what you were talking about - duh, I'm slow sometimes. I'm glad that things are working out for you, I am glad that you are happy, and I continue to have faith in the redemptive powers of love.

kate (kate), Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

http://cookham.blogspot.com/2007/11/closure-and-openings-i-began-this.html

three handclaps, Sunday, 25 November 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago)

Congratulations Marcello and thank you for all of the great writing you posted to CoM.

three handclaps, Sunday, 25 November 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago)

Fuck, he's taken up a staff job at the NME? I can see why he'd shut his blog down for that, but wow, I never saw that coming.

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 25 November 2007 23:58 (seventeen years ago)

Wow, that's a shock. I wish he could still keep it going, though. Our sensibilities seemed to mesh the older I got and the longer I read him.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 November 2007 00:03 (seventeen years ago)

Where did he say he's taking up a staff job at the NME?

In that post I linked to he talks about how he just got married and how "the music can be written about in The Blue In The Air which serves only to mark the beginning of my writing about music as an ecstatically happy and thoroughly content married man . . ."

three handclaps, Monday, 26 November 2007 00:13 (seventeen years ago)

The Blue In The Air being his new-ish blog.

three handclaps, Monday, 26 November 2007 00:14 (seventeen years ago)

nme!?!?! color me astonished.

i don't know ian blair sleeps at night.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 29 November 2007 10:35 (seventeen years ago)


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