Defned the Indefensible: John Denver

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Go on, stick up for this whiny, bland, over-rated pile of cack.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

he hung out with the Muppets.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

You're so right, his ratings (credibility and popularity-wise) are completely over the top. I wish people would just shut up about John Denver already!

s woods, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

he was good pilot! oh, wait, er, nevermind

Charlie Rose (Charlie Rose), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh and "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" rules in a pre-Bubba Sparxxxian kind of way--sort of, maybe, not really, perhaps.

s woods, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"Country Roads," nuff said.

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

He also hung out with God.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

how is he indefensible??

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

http://johndenvertribute.com/images/burns-denver%20sm%20pic.jpg

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't get how you can not like Rocky Mountain High. Other than that, he blows.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, here goes...

I had a really strong connection to JD songs, primarily because my dad had an 8-track of his 'hits' in the family car - a Ford station wagon with wood panelling, natch. (incidentally, the only other 8-tracks were Abba, Saturday Night Fever, and Roger Whittaker, but that's a whole other kettle of fish...)

Anyway, I really dug a lot of his stuff. My favourite track was 'Calypso' - grandiose, overproduced pap, of course, but amazing to listen to. His folky, acoustic stuff, as opposed to the big pop/pop-country songs, is quite decent - good, simple songs, and a great voice. I'm not exactly running the John Denver fanclub or anything, but I do think some of his songs were nice.

Sure, Mr. Red House Painter Mark Kozelek tried to endear him to the hipsters with the tribute CD (which I think is excellent), but that has nothing to do with me digging his tunes...

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, c'mon, give the poor guy a break -- he's dead!

He wins points for speaking out against the PMRC in the 80's (alongside Zappa & Dee Snider of Twisted Sisters). He loses points for suing New Order over "Run" (which sounded mysteriously similar to Denver's "Leavin' On a Jet Plane".)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

He did write "Leavin on a Jet Plane." He did at least that...

Andy, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Incidentally, that should've been Twisted Sister, singular.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yes, Leavin' on a Jet Plane. That's a nice, well-written little song. He gets points for that.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

he hung out with Hunter S. Thompson so he couldn't have been that bland and boring.
he wrote some good songs and had a good voice and had a social conscience, that'll be enough to defend him in my book.

Officer Pupp, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread title could also be the title of MC Raggett's first release:
Def Ned: The Indefensible.

s woods, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

!!!

I fear it would be allegedly corny indie fuxx stuff in some eyes. Which it isn't, it would be goth instead.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you have to give the guy points for songcraft, if nothing else. "Rocky Mountain High," "Take Me Home Country Roads," "Annie's Song" -- I'm sure there are more, but all of them pretty powerfully evoke a sense of place and are also catchy as all hell.

That it appears he was a sallow, mean-spirited alcoholic simp shouldn't really detract from that.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

yellowman's take on "country roads" is nice

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Wouldn't suing new order make John Denver cooler??? That Peter Hook needs to be taken down a couple o' pegs, if you ask me....

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

also Ned: I'm looking forward to goth-rap....

David J won't even have to change his name!

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

John Denver rules. Even New Order agree in a roundabout, possibly unconscious and certainly expensive way.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"my good friend john denver"

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

also Ned: I'm looking forward to goth-rap....

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c974/c9743375050.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

DAMMIT ALEX you completely stole my thunder!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, Dan.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Hello Denver my old friend
I come with you to talk again
And then again I`m still waiting
There`s no point in hanging on
Watching the sun go down
Spinning round and round

Ah... Monday morning
I don`t know if you are coming
Ah... Monday morning
I don`t know if you are coming

&c. &c.

David. (Cozen), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

http://creemmedia.com/ArchiveImages/1976_01.jpg

s woods, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

those were the daaaaaaays!

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I was about to say, didn't goth-rap happen? DJ Shadow, meanwhile, is the goth who keeps thinking he's hip-hop.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

"thank god I'm a country boy" is a GREAT GREAT song (great king of the hill moment also)

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

annie's song is beautiful.

keith (keithmcl), Thursday, 25 September 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"Daddy Don't Get Drunk This Christmas"!!!

dave q, Thursday, 25 September 2003 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Once, I went to a party, drank a slab, threw up everywhere and passed out somewhere.

The next day was one of those stinking hot Australian summer ones, where even if you don't like cricket you have to sit around watching it and drinking ice-cold home brew out of metal steins which had previously been stored in a converted refridgerator with a tap sticking out of it. The sort of day where you just put on your pants and boots when going down to the servo to buy a pack of ciggies.

Anyway, in the end there were only two of us there, but initially I was woken up by, and which was still playing now, some five hours later, a whole box set of John Denver. I'm unaware of the total effect that has had on me as a person, or whether it was good or bad, but I know it was deeply profound.

Thank god I'm a country boy.

Sasha (sgh), Friday, 26 September 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

my gal worked in an Australian brothel. John Denver was a semi-regular patron. He liked to get peed on.

If only The Silver Fox had known

rumple., Friday, 26 September 2003 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Denver's name-dropped in Paul Macca's live version of Paul Simon's "Richard Cory"...
Oh never mind, this probbly looks more like guilt by association, doesn't it?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Friday, 26 September 2003 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
just caught bit of a documentary about him showing a 1977 tv special where he duets with johnny cash on "country roads". kinda... odd.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Thursday, 8 December 2005 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
ANNIES SONG

slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)


He's great. He was in Oh God, too.

patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

You cannot deny the fact that he did a great job at the PRMC conference.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

John Denver liked to party, people. Stop denying the fact that he was a stud.

Mr _Deeds (Mr_Deeds), Thursday, 9 February 2006 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

i probably wrote about this on some other thread, but one year in college i played in a raggedy blues-rock type band and our most regular gig was parties at the agriculture-student fraternity (agr), buncha pennsylvania future farmers of america with giant kegs of terrible beer. the kind of crowd that shouted "freebird" but not as a joke. we would always end the night with a great big group singalong of "country roads," boy did those guys get all teary-eyed.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 9 February 2006 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

I have to defend him. My organization's main office is located on a conservancy he set up in Snowmass, CO.

Benjamin-, Saturday, 10 October 2009 18:34 (sixteen years ago)

Country roads was good enough for Toots. "Take me home /West Jamaica"

Eddie Cantor Supression Ring (bendy), Saturday, 10 October 2009 19:12 (sixteen years ago)

John Denver has plenty of great songs, you kidding me. My work (also in Colorado) gets regular requests from Japanese travel writers for info on John Denver-related attractions ... I guess he's kind of a thing over there?

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 19:18 (sixteen years ago)

Annie's Song is so fucking good.

Dude, do brown. (PappaWheelie V), Saturday, 10 October 2009 21:22 (sixteen years ago)

jd is dope but I only know the greatest hits - does anyone know any good john denver deep cuts?? he seems like the type of guy who would have some

iatee, Saturday, 10 October 2009 21:25 (sixteen years ago)

lol my hippy math teacher had a sweater his girlfriend made for him with "You fill up my senses, like a walk in the forest" painted on it, with a scene of mountains on it. That he wore to class regularly. (He also had one that had the Neil Diamond 'You are the sun, I am the moon, you are the words, I am the tune" on it. Oh how we lol'd at poor Mr Taylor.)

that being said, Annie's Song, Country Road, Thank God I'm a Country Boy, Leaving on a Jet Plane...he sung so many songs that brought me so much happiness as a kid that I would be remiss in not defending him. And MUPPETS. He made a Christmas album with them. And he kind of reminded me a little of a cross between Scooter & Robin the Frog when he wore his straw hat & glasses. A lovely earnest man who kinda resembled a muppet. It's mean to hate him.

VegemiteGrrrl, Sunday, 11 October 2009 00:33 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah. He wrote "Leaving on a Jet Plane". Can't argue with that.

Mark, Sunday, 11 October 2009 02:56 (sixteen years ago)

I kind of wish he had written Puff the Magic Dragon too. And Morningtown Ride. But then he'd be Peter Paul & Mary & The seekers and that's just not right.

VegemiteGrrrl, Sunday, 11 October 2009 04:08 (sixteen years ago)

A lot of his stuff up until 1975 is good. After that it gets tough, although I always liked 1976's "Looking For Space".

jetfan, Sunday, 11 October 2009 23:32 (sixteen years ago)

I still like his Christmas album, `cos I'm ultimately a big sap.

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/john_denver_christmas-300.jpg

Alex in NYC, Monday, 12 October 2009 00:38 (sixteen years ago)

I approve of this.

VegemiteGrrrl, Monday, 12 October 2009 00:41 (sixteen years ago)

Loved him as a kid. Still totally on board for 2 volumes of Greatest Hits. I'm not sure I want to hear any x-mas albums by anybody.

Nate Carson, Monday, 12 October 2009 08:18 (sixteen years ago)

My wife's uncle Jim was in Denver's band. And wrote "Grandma's Feather Bed."

ellaguru, Monday, 12 October 2009 13:47 (sixteen years ago)

Wow, that's cool!

VegemiteGrrrl, Monday, 12 October 2009 19:09 (sixteen years ago)

He's recorded very little under his own name, Jim Connor (a couple of records credited to Richard and Jim, one solo LP in '75). Was in the New Kingston Trio for a few years before the Denver gig and no less an authority than Earl Scruggs has said Connor is "The finest living traditional banjo player, and perhaps the best that ever lived."

ellaguru, Monday, 12 October 2009 21:03 (sixteen years ago)

Holy cow. Does he still play? (I assume he's still alive, yes?)

VegemiteGrrrl, Monday, 12 October 2009 22:15 (sixteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

I'm in charge of entry-music at my school. A teacher going on maternity leave in a couple of weeks asked for Denver on her last day, specifically "Thank God I'm a Country Boy." I'm a real tyrant with the music, so I just said "Well, um, let me look into this," knowing full well that that particular request just wasn't going to happen. But I'm glad to say that "Take Me Home, Country Road" has passed the audition with flying colours.

clemenza, Friday, 17 September 2010 02:08 (fifteen years ago)

that is a good song no doubt. great bridge.

Mark, Friday, 17 September 2010 03:24 (fifteen years ago)

Not too difficult to defend, like a lot of people hyped in the seventies there is some schmaltz there...

i just like barbecue rib, whatever (u s steel), Friday, 17 September 2010 08:00 (fifteen years ago)

Killer version of "Country Roads" (in Japanese) from Kondo and Miyazaki's wonderful Whisper of the Heart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_rlJbwsbs4&feature=related

Bill A, Friday, 17 September 2010 10:09 (fifteen years ago)

my gal worked in an Australian brothel. John Denver was a semi-regular patron. He liked to get peed on.

If only The Silver Fox had known

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r.i.pee

aerosmith: live at gunpoint (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 17 September 2010 10:40 (fifteen years ago)

btw "Defned the Indefensible" was the worst member of the Avengers by far

aerosmith: live at gunpoint (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 17 September 2010 10:53 (fifteen years ago)

seven years pass...

I'll defend 'Rocky Mountain High', as it's essentially the prototype for R.E.M. in their early Warners period.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 23 June 2018 10:20 (seven years ago)

Good for road trips

calstars, Saturday, 23 June 2018 12:04 (seven years ago)

four months pass...

Lol, I was literally just going to post that the bridge of "Take Me Home, Country Roads" sounds like a prototype for REM's sound and then I saw Turrican's post!

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 19 November 2018 13:33 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrEljMfXYo&feature=youtu.be#t=1m41s

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 19 November 2018 13:54 (six years ago)

That didn't work but 1:41 here.

The fingerpicked line is harder to play cleanly and accurately at tempo than I would have expected.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Monday, 19 November 2018 13:55 (six years ago)

three years pass...

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donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Monday, 3 October 2022 07:28 (three years ago)

huh

donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Monday, 3 October 2022 07:29 (three years ago)


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