new Bob Dylan remasters: meisterwerks for the 21st century or Evil Pointless Cash-ins?

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In a distinctly Mojo-esque moment, I got three of these new SACD remasters (Blonde on Blonde, Bringing It All Back Home and Blood on the Tracks), played them on my regular CD player, and I have to admit that I am quite impressed by the remastering job, esp. on BoB. So big up Sony..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Monday, 29 September 2003 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm. I'll have to check one of these out. I've never been impressed with the sound of my Blonde on Blonde CD -- sounded like Sony royally messed up the mastering. Acting on my suspicions, I downloaded "Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat" from the Apple music store. The mp3 sounded a lot better than my CD version.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 29 September 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

..which makes me wonder what version Apple was using, because this was long before the new SACD series came out.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 29 September 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

well, BoB actually existed on SACD before this new series. Funny you should mention Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat, because that is the song that really impressed me most on this new series. 'One of Us Must Know' is also worth checking out.

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Monday, 29 September 2003 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

AH, but I've got the mid 90s BoB gold CD which sounds absolutely fantastic, and is one of my favourite CD listens, will the new SACD be better than that?

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 29 September 2003 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Have they restored the edits which were made to fit Blonde on Blonde onto a "maximum length" 71 minute CD?

Andrew Norman, Monday, 29 September 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got the gold CD too, but I think I read that the master used for that is now the one used on the regular issue (and I imagine it sounds just the same, as I think the gold business was a bit of a gimmick, no?).

However, the original issue of Blonde On Blonde was supposedly notioriously bad even by the low standards of the original Dylan CD releases. Apparently it actually faded out 'Sad Eyed Lady Of The Low Lands' early (an editorial decision?)

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 29 September 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The original CD of BoB faded out the end of both "Sad eyed lady" and "Just like a woman" to fit it within 71 minutes or whatever. Nice decision!

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 29 September 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Haven't checked the running times on the new BoB but they actually split the album into two CDs according to the orginal double-LP sequencing

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Monday, 29 September 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the same remastering that they used on the Rolling Stones albums last year, no?

I only have Between the Buttons (great, great album) and I'm still getting used to the *new* sound. I'm still figuring out exactly what's been done. Jagger sounds louder and certain instruments sound louder too - piano for one. There's also masses more apparant separation and 'space'- I think.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 29 September 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I got the BoB hybrid reissue and I really like the sound. The CD of it that I had before (just the standard Columbia CD) had really crummy sound. I don't have an SACD player, so I'm just playing the regular CD layer. But it sounds really nice. I'll probably pick up a couple more of these.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 29 September 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

lissnin' to BoB now. same reaction as to the stones remasters. BB and LIB, nearly memorized, on regular players glistened like dew, or pristine virgins, like i had never heard either records before. "Visions of Johanna" (which i never liked as a band version), sounds exquisite. also want to check out the Sam Cooke remasters as well.

andy beta, Monday, 29 September 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll wait for the 2006 40-year anniversery superemaster, thanks.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 29 September 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I was never impressed with the sound of the original Dylan albums either. But I'm not convinced that it's because they're shit. Can SACD fix this?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 29 September 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Haven't heard these yet. But if they're going to go to this much trouble, why not remaster the mono versions of Highway 61 and Blonde on Blonde? I have a 2-CD bootleg from a few years ago, mastered from vinyl, which sounds fantastic.

Burr (Burr), Monday, 29 September 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I really enjoy the Sundazed mono LP reissue of BoB, which I just recently got - I'd be interested to compare it with the remastered CD, but I'm not gonna buy another version so soon.

Sam J. (samjeff), Monday, 29 September 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

mastered from vinyl!?!

I can't imagine that could possibly sound as good as remastering it directly from the original master tapes. If you want to listen to it in mono, you could always press the mono button on your stereo, right? Or this some other subtle benefit of the mono version that I'm missing?

o. nate (onate), Monday, 29 September 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Nate the mono happens at the mixdown stage, so it's mixed and mastered differently, with differetn settings, perhaps even by different people. So the mono button on the stereo isn't the same (you must have an old receiver to have a mono button, anyway!)

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 29 September 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes a remaster is a scam and sometimes it really is needed. In the case of Dylan's mid 60s classic albums they did sound really, really terrible before the remastering, and "Blonde On Blonde" has improved a lot after the remastering.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 September 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree with geir (i am allowed to say this twice a year). they sound good. i can hear instruments in the mixes that i didn't hear before. the packaging leaves a bit to be desired, though.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 29 September 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

This makes me glad that I haven't gotten around to getting CD versions (or in some cases any version) of several Dylan albums I want.

Al Andalous, Monday, 29 September 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

The cd's sound great but no xtra cuts,no new liner notes,and the cd's reissued at full price? What they couldn't fit Positively 4th Street on one of the reissues leaving no hope for mixing a greatest hits cd with all remastered sound.And they have already remastered Love and Theft? More examples of the major labels lack of respect for the record buying public.I bought them but i'm glad i download so much new stuff.Kind of evens it out.Check out the new Television reisues for an example of reissues done with respect for their fans.

evan chronister (evan chronister), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the principle behind all those reissues was a zealous respect of historical 'authenticity'. So you get the albums exactly like they came out (cf. the restored liner notes in Bllod on the Tracks and the 2-disc sequencing on BoB). Hence no extra tracks. I have to admit that I'm no big fan of sticking bonus tunes at the end of albums, but that's another thread altogether..
And I agree with Amateurist, these remastering jobs uncover instruments that used to be completely lost in the mix.

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 06:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the era of bonus tracks is over, thank god.

i suppose i would have liked session information and so forth, but that might have simply been distracting and anyhow the information is easily available on the interweb. i should also note that yet another volume of the "bootleg series" comes out later this year (it's the halloween eve concert with joan baez, from 1964 i believe) and more are planned, so those eager for "new" bob dylan material need only wait. and of course there's the plethera of actual bootlegs for you to explore.

that said, i hope they use these remasters as an opportunity to revisit "the basement tapes." the original release was sort of hedged--several of the songs are actually studio demos by the band from after their big pink recordings with dylan. i believe these were put in because at the time (1974-75) the band had a lot of cachet and were able to demand several tunes with non-dylan vocals so that it could be properly advertised as a joint release. since the record was something of a compilation to begin with (and at the time of its release, many people had heard much more of the real basement tapes than was placed on the record via the earliest LP bootlegs) it doesn't seem like severe revisionism to add a few things. but i doubt it will happen.

my problem with the packaging of the new cds are some rather poor design choices for the back covers and interior photos. as fabrice notes a certain kind of historical fidelity was obviously a priority, but it is violated in rather slapdash ways. note: as part of the authenticity program they did include the horrendous liner notes to "blood on the tracks," for better or worse.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you know the story behind these liner notes? Were they taken out at BD's request?

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 07:05 (twenty-two years ago)

In the case of "Love And Theft", I guess the new thing about that one isn't so much the remastering as the 5:1 SACD mix.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 07:46 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah a remaster of "love and theft" does seem to be taking the notion to an extreme. soon they will issue two versions of albums upon initial release: the master and the remaster. there will be heroes of remastering offering demonstrations of new sound technology to sold-out crowds in madison square garden.

the terrible liner notes for "blood on the tracks" are still in the new issue, reflecting either the producers' dedication to historical fidelity or bob's continuing lapses in good taste, or both.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I love that essay! I wish that dude would write liner notes for every new album that comes out. ("In the end, the chicken and beer touched us all...")

Sam J. (samjeff), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

soon they will issue two versions of albums upon initial release: the master and the remaster.

Has already happened.

"Up" by Peter Gabriel was re-released on SACD in 5:1 surround around 2-3 weeks after its original release. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...
The Love and Theft reissue is evil.

The others are essential. I am so thankful I waited to upgrade my Dylan stuff until now because the sound is killer.

Bonus tracks are also GREAT. But what I like is when they just make it a two disc set--one disc as the original album and then another disc with curios. Keep them separate.

don weiner, Thursday, 23 October 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Which bonus tracks?
And is there difference on L&T?
I just saw him perform this evening, it was pretty boring I have to admit..

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 23 October 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
While shopping today, I noticed a new series of Dylan remasters - they included BoB, JWH, BOTT. BoB was a single disc and did not reproduce the photographs from the album gatefold, but instead contained a new set of photographs that seemed to derive from the photo session where Dylan is holding a picture and a hammer. BOTT also includes Pete Hamill's award-winning liner notes.

Does anyone know anything about these new editions? The remastering is dated 2003 and is credited to someone called Peter Calb (I think?). They are not SACD, and are being sold at budget price.Has anyone heard them? Are they any good? Most of my Dylan collection is still on vinyl as I was warned off buying his CDs due to the poor mastering job on the initial batch, so I'd appreciate some advice on this.

Richard Ely, Thursday, 1 April 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

They are 5 for 30 quid in Virgin at the moment.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 2 April 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

taken in tandem w/the Victoria's Secret ads, it sounds kinda dodgy

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 2 April 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm picturing crossover marketing with pictures of young women in string bikinis with patterns drawn from the cover of "blonde on blonde"

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 2 April 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Introducing... Desire...

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Friday, 2 April 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

...the new scent for men

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Saturday, 3 April 2004 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

My Blonde is 73:16, and it's not a remaster. Does it have shortened versions of songs...?

John 2, Monday, 5 April 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The american edition had full length versions of all songs. Basically, if it does not fade "Just like a woman" at the end, then it does not have edited versions.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 April 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Apology: the ones in Virgin are not SACD, they are just normal 2003 CDs. It does say they are 'spectaculalry remastered' though.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 5 April 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

it's kind of weird when you realize one of your favouritest albums ever used to sound kinda like garbage... but it's a good feeling too.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 14 January 2008 14:43 (seventeen years ago)


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