Spacemen 3...Do i need to have some of their music??

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I've read a lot about them but never heard anything yet.

yaeger, Friday, 3 October 2003 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i only have one of their records, but it doesn't strike me as a must-have. i think it's called the perfect prescription. do you have any spiritualized records? that's where pierce's vision really came into focus (for the first three records, anyway - then he became bloated and bombastic).

there's nothing on spacemen 3 records that wasn't done better on laser guided melodies, IMHO. kate to thread, obv.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 3 October 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i reckon you need 'playing with fire' which is pretty incredible but they are the absolute epitome of the "none is to few, two is too many" syndrome. (er, that is, you only really need one record by them)

adam b (adam b), Friday, 3 October 2003 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Spacemen 3 - classic or unutterably shite?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 3 October 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Perfect Prescription gets so many good reviews from what i have read..so i should go with Playing with Fire first?

yaeger, Friday, 3 October 2003 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Perfect Prescription was my first S3 album and I actually think it was the best introduction -- Playing With Fire is quite grand but you can already sense how Sonic and Jason were starting to follow their own muses, while Perfect Prescription is still them as a unified band, mostly. I say start there!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 October 2003 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd go for Recurring first. It's the only one with any real tunes on it.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 3 October 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

for fucks sake it's THEIR THEIR THEEEEIIIIIIRRRRRR

christ, i am so sick of seeing that in subject lines

anyway, spacemen 3 are good.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 3 October 2003 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you should go for Perfect Prescription as that thurr is a good album.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 3 October 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I love both "Perfect Prescription" and "Playing with Fire". Either of these for me. They both outshine anything either of them have done before or since.

Keith Watson (kmw), Friday, 3 October 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear Lord (what an appropriate remark for an S3 thread,) "two is too many?" Are you insane? One needs all of it if one needs any of it, I'd say...and The Perfect Prescription would be the place to start.

M Specktor (M Specktor), Friday, 3 October 2003 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Almost anything labeled space rock was probably very much influenced by them. They are one of those bands that I like, but rarely feel like listening to- its a bit too intense and repetitive at the same time.

If you do check them out, you should also check out their predecessors - the Thirteenth Floor Elevators. Psychadelic Garage pioneers..

pete from the street, Friday, 3 October 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

yes you need both the perfect perscription and playing with fire and nothing else.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 3 October 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

not true. if you would like for them to not be so sleepy & rock more then "Taking Drugs..." is also v. essential for you. playing with fire is not as essential for me.

are there any live stuffs circulating besides that recorded at the Melkweg?

autovac (autovac), Friday, 3 October 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Not counting bootlegs, there's an album called "Live in Europe '89" that's pretty good. Sound isn't quite as full as Melkweg, but a number of songs that don't appear on Melkweg are there. Personally, I think you either need none or all of their albums, and given the number of repackagings of their fairly small ouvre, there's gotta be a reasonably sized fanbase that agrees. I'll add a vote for "Playing with Fire."

dlp9001, Friday, 3 October 2003 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh, Elvis Telecom to thread?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 October 2003 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm gonna vote for the singles collection because it splits the difference (and when is "recurring" going to be reissued?)

also everybody who likes drone (as opposed to or beyond space rock) should have a copy of the "dreamweapon" reissue if only for the "ecstasy symphony"

vahid (vahid), Friday, 3 October 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

jason's songs on playing with fire are great and then you have revolution, the rest of the record is crap. perfect prescription is great, the singles cd is great, recurring is great and it represents probably the only time sonic gets over.

keith (keithmcl), Friday, 3 October 2003 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Perfect Prescriptions & its companion Forged Prescriptions are arguably the best S3 discs, but I also like Sound of Confusion quite a bit. Taking Drugs to Make Music to Take Drugs To is also great. For All the Fucked-up Children of the World has it's moments. What can i say - I'm a fan. I even like Dreamweapon. Also, space rock predates Spacemen 3 by a number of years. Hawkwind more or less ushered in that genre circa 1969.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Saturday, 4 October 2003 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

PLAYING WITH FIRE!!!

Especially on CD. Nothing like driving somewhere at 6:30 in morning up to your eyes on meth with a cigarette and the live version of 'Suicide' blasting out the speakers.

Sasha (sgh), Saturday, 4 October 2003 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

yes!, best mothafuckin band there is!.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 4 October 2003 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

i would think that "playing with fire" would be a good contender for the CD that the most people like with such strong passion more then any other CD, ever.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 4 October 2003 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I truly love this band. This is what they're like - I think - : a sort of scientific attempt to figure out what was good about the Stooges that's so afraid of going wrong it sticks to only what someone can be absolutely sure is good. So it's very minimal. There's not much honesty or 'sudden moments' in the music but it's still nice because it doesn't really go wrong. The same thing applies to 'Earth'.

Laura, Saturday, 4 October 2003 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It is a favourite game of mine, whenever anyone starts a S3 thread, to count how many posts before someone says "Kate to thread". This is a new record!

Do you need some of their music? Of course you do. What a silly question.

Which one should you buy first? Well, it depends what you're looking for.

I always say "PLAYING WITH FIRE" because it is the most well-rounded and perfectly realised of their records. There's a little bit of everything on it: Jason's ornate psychedelic bubblesoul, Sonic's minimal blissdrone, a little bit of rock, a little bit of wibble, a lot of gorgeous texture and beautiful drone.

If yer looking for more of a classic "indie" album, you'd be better off going with Perfect Prescription. If yer looking for more of a "rock" album (minimal Stooges) then go for Sound of Confusion. If yer a Spiritualized fan who wants to know What Jason Did First, then get 3-3-3-3-3-3-3 (oh god, what is it really called? Oh yeah) I mean Recurring and only listen to Side Two.

But yes. You need a Spacemen 3 album. Truly.

kate (kate), Saturday, 4 October 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I lived through the 80s once. Why would I want to do so again?

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 4 October 2003 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

because it was fun?

the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 4 October 2003 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

bcz you want to see Culture club live in concert?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 4 October 2003 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(NB the above was a joke - see Darkness thread. Spacemen 3 are good - get a passing hipster to make you a best of)

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 4 October 2003 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

woo hoo culture club!!

the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 4 October 2003 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

(heh, yeah Tom i just saw it)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 4 October 2003 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Sigh.

Passing Hipsters who look like DDB's will not be able to make you a S3 compilation. It's fake dirt copied from Strokes videos. You need to find an *authentic* scumbag Dirty Boy to make one for you.

I'm so confused. It used to be that boys that looked a certain way were into certain things - including S3. Now boys that look that way end up on Fame Academy. Shoot me now.

kate (kate), Saturday, 4 October 2003 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

'looks'? how shallow! ;-)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 4 October 2003 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Looks are everything. It's shallow and unrealistic to think otherwise.

I mean, hey! I bought a suit last week!

kate (kate), Saturday, 4 October 2003 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

are there any live stuffs circulating besides that recorded at the Melkweg?

*cries*

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 5 October 2003 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Purchase in this order:

Playing With Fire
Perfect Prescription
Recurring
Dreamweapon
Sound Of Confusion

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 5 October 2003 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, yea, Ned makes some good and valid points above about the Perfect Prescription being more of a unified project in relation to Playing with Fire, although it is still a wondefully fantastic album (sometimes I consider it better that the latter).

I listened to PWF before i listened to Perfect Prescription, and i was quite happy with how the listening experience turned out, but once again, Ned's comments on their break-up are valid, and can be (and I always do) compared to Rother and Dinger's Neu! breakup (their first was best, but by their third and last (Neu 75), they had virtually divided up the record for each of their interests, remarkably like S3's Recurring, in which they did exactly this)

In summation, Spacemen 3 are essential, if you haven't got any of their albums, then for christs sake get them (you may find it hard though, as distribution is very minimal now), but this gives you a good excuse to download it, which is very easy - so do it. Get whatever you can, but make sure that you get complete copies of Playing with Fire AND The Perfect Prescription, they're both as essential as eachother....

Rob McD (Keith McD), Monday, 6 October 2003 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

no, you don't need any of them, or spiritualised, sonic boom, e.a.r e.t.c.

jason's big budget studio and choral and orchestral spit. projects are just the most cynical cash-in on people who haven't got around to hearing Exile on Main Street yet -- basic blues and gospel stuck through slick studio techniques != anything new

and sp3, a lame attempt to revive the great early Stooges lps, rip most of the song m.o.s straight off the Stooges even while covering some (thus attempting distancing from any so obvious Stooges 'tie-in'), and the rest of the time sound like a bunch of skagged out scenesters (see their "uh, the songs ? .. we just want to talk about the drugs actually" interview in Forced Exposure)

george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 6 October 2003 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Almost anything labeled space rock was probably very much influenced by them.

Oh really? Probably not is more like it. Spacemen 3 are one of those bands I have never had the slightest inclination in checking out - I have heard them before but forgotten what they sounded like and I've always found their heroin chic rubbish to be most off-putting.

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 6 October 2003 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i tend to think anything described as "space rock" is more likely to be very much influenced (bleh) by hawkwind, specifically their albums "space ritual" and "doremi fasol latido". Cetainly the better spacemen 3 stuff, eg "losing touch with my mind" (or whatever it's called) sounds like hawkwind, but with these weird pittery-pattery drums, instead of mighty simon king. Likewise Loop's "fade out" Of course they'd always deny it - oh no not us, we're into src, stooges. neu etc, but not very plausibly at all i don't think.

I suggest that recurring and sound of confusion are quite essential, if you like dronerock, and want to see just how long a band can hold one chord down for. However, I think the 2 hawkwind titles mentioned above are much better.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"i suggest that..." good grief, not that i mean to sound pompous or anything!!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Recurring and Sound of Confusion seems like a rather eccentric choice, them being but the mere loaf-ends to the main meat. Would go along with a Hawkwind comparison in that they're both quintessentially English takes on psychedelia/Stooges/MC5 but the big difference between two is that Hawkwind seemed like a beer-and-fags-and-bad-acid sort of proposition, whereas Spacemen 3 were always a rather more genteel cup-of-tea-and-a-bottle-of-methadone deal. And you're missing the whole Lou Reed-"Street Hassle" angle too, which is a major part of their saggy-arsed needle-exchange gumbo.

I'd get PWF first, cuz that's there one where S3 really seemed at one with their time, which only serves to add fuel to their whole 'Revolution' schtick...

NickB (NickB), Monday, 6 October 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Well you're right, and I was a bit mixed up actually. Thanx. Scratch recurring and substitute it with Playing With Fire.

The thing with the hawkwind comparison that always gets me - I listen to "revolution", and the whole genteel drums thing is quite charming & likeable, but still, there's this bit of me that wants them to have done it with a real kick-ass rock drummer, like simon king. The best hawkwind stuff for me is like this music war between the half of the band who were speedfreaks and the half who were acidheads.

The whole street hassle thing you refer to is one of the few things that I don't like abt s3. I find it a bit annoying, but bearable!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 6 October 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

echoing the majority of opinions above: both perfect prescription and playing with fire are worth hearing at least once in your life (i recommend listening to 'playing with fire' in the dark somewhat loudly).

i have this italian singles/rarities comp that has all the single covers all laid out on the sleeve, it's got a few pretty good alternate mixes and takes, but the albums are definitely more satisfying.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 6 October 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

but still, there's this bit of me that wants them to have done it with a real kick-ass rock drummer, like simon king.

They do it with a kick ass drummer on "Live In Europe 1989"

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 6 October 2003 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i have this italian singles/rarities comp that has all the single covers all laid out on the sleeve, it's got a few pretty good alternate mixes and takes, but the albums are definitely more satisfying.

that was actually released by Munster Records in Spain

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 6 October 2003 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Be asleep and awake at the same time with "Dreamweapon"

p.j. (Henry), Monday, 6 October 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

heh thanks chris!

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 6 October 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
2xCD80 'portable' Spacemen go!

disc1 (79:32)

Take Me To the Other Side
Walking With Jesus
Ode to Street Hassle
Ecstasy Symphony/Transparent Radiation
Feel So Good
Things'll Never Be the Same
Call the Doctor
Roller Coaster (17:38 vers.)
Come Together (from Performance)
So Hot (Wash Away All of My Tears)
Revolution
Lord Can You Hear Me
Hypnotised


disc2 (78:07)

Losing Touch With My Mind
Come Down Easy
That's Just Fine
Mary-Anne (from Performance)
Walking With Jesus (from Performance)
Honey
Come Down Softly to My Soul
Suicide
Big City
Just to See You Smile (instrumental)
When Tomorrow Hits
Feel So Sad (reprise)
Feelin' Just Fine (alternative mix)
Anyway that You Want Me

(each disc itself is vaguely chronological. There are two discs because their songs are so damn long. Most of 'Perfect Prescription' is here. There's a logic to the track selection and disc placement somewhere, but I forgot what that was. Also it leans a bit towards Jason's stuff and includes that last track...)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

which version of Big City?

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

the 10:51 minute version from the first UK CD pressing.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

sweeet

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

That's actually frighteningly-close to perfect...

M Specktor (M Specktor), Friday, 7 November 2003 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Crumbs, Spencer, what do I have to do to get hold of a copy of that comp you just posted? Reckon it'll sort me out, good and proper.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

email me! the only thing is, I'm notoriously ineffectual when it comes to 'actual' physical mail...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...
Revive!

Recurring is FINALLY reissued: http://www.adasam.plus.com/spaceage/page38.htm

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Gah! The new cover fucks with my head.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"Purchase in this order:

Playing With Fire
Perfect Prescription
Recurring
Dreamweapon
Sound Of Confusion "

Chris, That's the order I purchased in!
How good is "Forged Prescriptions?" and how much does it over lap with other albums?

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't agree with Sound of Confusion last. That and Perfect Prescription are the only ones I currently own. I didn't think the later records were as good.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

You don't think Playing With Fire is good?!?!?!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I HATE all the changed covers on the reissues! (although this one is the least egregiously changed).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Recurring is only worth it for Sonic's half. Judging by the second half of this album, I would have never guessed at the great music Jason would go on to make.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Which other covers are changed? Dreamweapon and Playing With Fire look the same to me?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, I'd have to hear it again. Maybe I still have my old cassette dub of it!

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

they put this flame background behind the Playing With Fire title/logo. My memory of the original was that it was just white. The altered covers annoy me too (I bet it's Sonic's doing - all those Bomp reissues look messed up).

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i played revolution" on george "S3 SUxxx0R" gosset's radio show last week

duane, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Recurring is only worth it for Sonic's half.

I think the opposite!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

they put this flame background behind the Playing With Fire title/logo

Taang did that for their reissues when they licensed it from Fire Records. The definitive version of Playing With Fire is the Space Age one

The altered covers annoy me too (I bet it's Sonic's doing - all those Bomp reissues look messed up).

There's only two Bomp releases and they aren't reissues per se. Anyway, the Space Age version of Live 1989 is the one to get.

(wonders if anyone reads the liner notes)

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

hehe ... yes, I've read your handiwork Mr. B!

I've got the Bomp Taking Drugs... cd, but wasn't that technically a reish of an old lp? Or was the latter a bootleg or something? I can't remember.

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It was an "official" bootleg.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

what liner notes did you do? I think I read them, I'll check my cds.

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't know that space age reissue of playing with fire existed, I've only ever seen the taang one (which is what I have). I will have to look for this.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

It's got an exra disc of demos, etc. available on vinyl...

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got the Bomp Taking Drugs... cd, but wasn't that technically a reish of an old lp? Or was the latter a bootleg or something? I can't remember.

The original LP was released on Father Yod and went out of print quickly afterward. Bomp released it in the states and then Space Age released it everywhere else.

Basically, get the Space Age version.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 27 May 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

what liner notes did you do? I think I read them, I'll check my cds.

liners on the Bomp Taking Drugs. liners and production/mastering o Live 1989

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 27 May 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i have an original taking drugs bootleg signed by sonic. i must dig it out and give it a listen, i remember it being quite dull. playing with fire would be in my all time top ten, though.

I like sonic boom's sleevenote's for forged prescriptions on the space age site!

Dave Amos, Thursday, 27 May 2004 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

sleevenotes not sleevenote's. need coffee. and heroin.

Dave Amos, Thursday, 27 May 2004 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

'A contemporary evening of sitar music' is an example of a rock band doing a drone brilliantly well => it accepts the possibility you'll get bored after 30 seconds and does not give a shit if you do.

No rocking out, not one second of it. classic!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 27 May 2004 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Please someone tell me I'm not hallucinating right now - or confirm and make me actually quite happy:

The original LP father yod version of "taking drugs" is mastered a tad slower than the bomp cd reish? Could swear I heard the cd once and thought - wait, shit, this is slightly more rockin' than the version(s) of "losing touch with mi mind" and "sound of confusion" than i'm used to...? but put it out of mi mind when i realised the LP cover art could never be touched, bonus trax bedamned. the vinyl is fucking INCENDIARY.

and to reach both poles on the spectrum (gag) i say the two crucial releases are Taking Drugs vinyl and Dreamweapon whatever format (limited vinyl of course for true backwards hipgnosis). Playing with Fire a distant third.

Dr. Annabel Lies (Michael Kelly), Thursday, 27 May 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

nine months pass...
Just listening to them now, woozy beautifulness.

AdrianB (AdrianB), Sunday, 13 March 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)


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