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what is it? who are its exponents, how long has it been around etc? Thanks.

― Geoff, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

it's noise.

depending on your definition of noize, it's been around ever since free jass hit nippon's shores. (or metal masheen music, fer that matter.)

merzbow being the most famous, the most recorded, the most dodgy and possibly the most brilliant. (dig the difference between the sublime "sleeper awakes on the edge of the abyss" and the woody woodpecker annoyance factor of, well, everything he's recorded in the 90s for the most part.)

search: merzbow "sleeper," "pulse demon," "aqua necromancer." also, the work of yoshihide otomo, early boredoms (later boredoms is of course GRATE, but it doesn't fit as neatly into the japanoise thing), the nigh-unto-impossible-to-find "welcome to dreamland" comp.

destroy: most of it.

― jess, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

more than a definition ,some include outrock bands as boredoms ... some only "hardcore" noise . best acts ,according to definition number two, are merzbow ,masonna ,solsonics . has anybody heard rovo's album?

― francesco, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I forgot to mention kazumoto endo a young noise guitarist ,a bit formulaic but good & the spiritual father of japanese impro/noise takayanagi

― francesco, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Search: Merzbow's 1930 and Music For Bondage Performance. Most things that Akita (Merz) does are fascinating and visceral, and often highly psychedelic in that very specific, structured-trip Japanese way (like Angel'in Heavy Syrup, only entirely differently). For the best example of this, check out his Pulse Demon.
For the opposite end of the Japanese noise spectrum, search anything by Masonna, who are more of what the average Westerner would probably expect from a genre with a name like "Japanese Noise," ie, "scream until you die." (The song "Eat Maggot" is a favourite of mine.)

Other noisy genres of music are equally fascinating in their own right. Search Whitehouse (either Birthdeath Experience or Dedicated To Peter Kurten: Sadist and Mass Slayer) and Brighter Death Now (Innerwar) for examples of power electronics, which is more or less aurally and conceptually similar to a noisier Throbbing Gristle. Also, for pure noise value, one can never go wrong with the really early stuff, like Lou Reed's infamous Metal Machine Music, which may or may not have been recorded as a joke, but is still absolutely beautiful to listen to and stands as extremely influential.

Destroy: Anything written by people who think they have now discovered the absolute easiest way to make music. This, unfortunately, may consist of a sizeable portion of the genre.

Where's Kodanshi on this thread?

― matthew m., Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Here! As for what Francesco said, I must correct you! Kazumoto Endo, aka Killer Bug, does NOT play guitar! I think you mean MNS who has an album called Incredible Noise Guitar. Endo makes "proper" Noizu. He also has incorporated craptop into his arsenal and it sounds ace. A big thumbs up for him from me on that count.

Search a mighty band called C.C.C.C. - Cosmic Coincidence Control Center, especially Loud Sounds Dopa, Flash and Rocket Shrine. Full on Psychedelic noise bore! Hahahahahaha. I love them.

Destroy: Cock E.S.P. - American, but still have a mouth 3 feet wide from sucking fat whale dick!

I love MASONNA - my fave. He (not "they") actually goes beyond merely "scream until you die" - although it superficially sounds like that. "Eat Maggot" comes from his excellent Super Compact Disc album. I would also recommend Frequency L.S.D., Spectrum Ripper and Ejaculation Generater. And who can forget his amazing rare tracks compilation Noskl In Ana??? Funny how you mention Angel In Heavy Syrup. Maso's girlfriend plays guitar in that band! Together they perform in a fantastic spacey Psychedelic noisy (but not NOIZU) project called Christine 23 Onna. I particularly recommend their Shiny Crystal Planet album.

I must plug Lackthrow - Americanoise, as opposed to Japanoise. I met him on AIM and his stuff kicks enormous amounts of arse!

― Kodanshi, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

kodanshi- I thought that he was playing a sort electroacoustic set up with mixer & effects with a laptop guitar as controller in the same way as otomo does in some of his sets .

― francesco, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I checked incredible noise guitar link, hey there's music dedicated to motoharu yoshizawa, sounds interesting ,what are they like?

― francesco, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ah, you could speak correctly - I've only seen MASONNA live so I don't know how Endo's craptop performances pan out. I've only heard what he's incorporated into albums like WHILE YOU WERE OUT - and his craptop on there sounds ultra-smart.

As for MNS - one guy, hahaha. It pretty much retains one guitar sound through its entire lngth, but it sounds gorgeous, and it concerns itself more with its patterns than a variety of sounds. Try his Locked Groove 1 & 2 (7" single) if you can find it. Dozens of locked grooves that immediately fall into a rhythm due to their single groove nature. Fonky!

― Kodanshi, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm no connoisseur of the stuff, but I must recommend an out-of-print 2CD set titled Tokyo Invasion Vol. 1: Cosmic Kurushi Monsters that Virgin AMBT put out in '97, compiled by Tony Herrington of The Wire. Plenty hot, and a great introduction.

― M. Matos, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have a burned copy of that. Aint intelluectual proerty theft wonderful !

― anthony, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Just finished listening to 'The Wisdom Prepared' by Keiji Haino's Fushitsusha, one 74 minute thrash epic. Dunno if it's 'japnoise' exactly - no electronics - but it sure was a glorious draining racket, and the silence that followed...

Anybody know anything abt Incapacitants?

― Andrew L, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love The Wisdom Prepared! But yes - not Noise, although it certainly sounds noisy!

As for Incapacitants... - a fantastic, ultra-harsh duo made up from ex-C.C.C.C. and Hijokaidan members. Their live shows astound as they perform mad aerial death wrestling moves on each other and their equipment.

I particularly recommend their As Loud As Possible album.

― Kodanshi, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And, duh, what wuz I thinkin' of, posting on this thread w/out mentioning GROUND ZERO, the group who pretty much tie it all together - free jazz (grp leader Yoshihide Otomo big fan of UK improv, as were such free Jap jazz founders as Takaynagi, Abe etc.), turntablism, samplers, merzbow-like noise, the works. Search" EVERYTHING by 'em, every last anal obscuro scrap, but esp. 'Consume: Red' and their first self-titled alb.

Anybody ever heard Taj Mahal Travelers?

― Andrew L, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I see Fushistusha/Haino's been mentioned, not sure if the material could be classified under the (dubious) banner of 'japanoise', but it is very, very noisy and very intense, oh, except the really quiet stuff. BUt check out , if u can be bothered to track down, 'the caution appears', one mother of a record, also 'pathetique', which is more psychedelic than pure bastard noise ala 'the caution..', and of what I've heard of Haino san's solo work, the 30 minute bonus track on Watashi Dake from 1980 (or thereabouts) proves that very noisy, atonal, japanese music isn't a new phenomenom.

― Anas FK, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

saw keiji haino (i know i'm not allowed to write sp Nick Dastoor) and he was a good spectacle - but High Rise! They're no spectacle, but worth staking your pseudo buddhist (Crude injoke) enjoyment of the present moment on - just ignore that and listen to High Rise

― maryann, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Did Keiji have his walking stick when you saw him Maryann - seemed like an integral part of his act the time I saw Fushitsusha. And Psychedelic Speed Freaks hurrah! Plus Mainliner and Musica Transonic for the Asahito Nanjo full house! Louder! Faster! Even Louder!

Ruins are rubbish, tho...

― Andrew L, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Keiji Haino rules this entire world with a fist of iron (wrapped in rabbit's fur to give it some sort of additional use as an orgone accumulator)!

― Kodanshi, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

walking stick? no. he did headbanging.

― maryann, Saturday, 25 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah same when I saw him in Chch, + he had leather pants. I was half asleep but it was real cool!

― duane, Saturday, 25 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

cock ESP RULES, dammit. 8-second live sets. 30 minute live sets consisting of tuning acoustic guitars. the cover of "menasha red light district."

someone asked about taj mahal travellers - yeah, i've heard them. they're not quite 'japanoise' or whatever, more in an area between free jazz, avant classical, and eastern 'drone' music. it's mostly pretty mellow waves of sound, little splatterings of percussion and so on; _august 1974_ is my favorite, i have another double cd (live in stockholm?) and lp that tend towards a darker feel. very nice.

you could date japanese noise back to the 70s with keiji haino's _amanogawa_ (milky way). anyone heard this? sounds like a definite precedent for the hijokaidan/incaps and merzbow axes, whether it was an influence or not.

― your null fame, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Cock E.S.P. needs torture inflicted on them until I spurt furiously in my pants at their horrendous maltreatment.

― Kodanshi, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

that doesn't exactly counter my argument that THEY RULE. but maybe i feel some affection for them because they mocked those greaseball nazi morons in macronympha.

― your null fame, Thursday, 30 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like those greaseball Nazi morons in Macronympha! Joe Roemer rules...

― Kodanshi, Sunday, 2 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three years pass...

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― the Stanmore signal (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

I think I'm gonna go and see Keiji do the headbang on Tuesday (he is playing two consecutive nights at the spitz).

― xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Sunday, 3 September 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

Might as well use this thread. So I picked up a disc called Unchain from 1996 by a Yokohama group called Freaky Machine. Good disc so far.

FREAKY MACHINE
"Psychedelic Rock rise to the space above"
Play DUB,JAZZ,ELECTRIC JAM,even sing the message of PEACE, though one great story.
This 14 years from form a band, sing "LOVE,FREEDOM and PEACE" loudly.
Keep playing enthusiastically, believing "Music could be a weapon of PEACE".
Every member got a wide range of activity like remix-work, session-work, song-writing, sound engineering, visual artist etc...
Actively related to "ECHO BEATS SHONAN" nature environmental organization based on Shonan-Japan.
4000 of audience came to the first open-air event.
Keep on running for the philosophy "Change this contradictory world by the power of music"

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

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