TS: Beatles vs Beach Boys (nu-metal edition)

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Specifically "Julia" vs "I'm Bugged at My Old Man". What's worse, having them gone, or having them still alive to torture you?

― "Too Embarrassed", Friday, 10 October 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

(OT - true, the Beatles didn't have a Mike Love, but then, they didn't have a Dennis Wilson either)

― dave q, Friday, 10 October 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(also, IMO "Dance Dance Dance" is better [albeit by a tiny teeny margin] than anything the Beatles ever recorded. I'd explain why, but not before 'Uncut' or somebody gives me some weed money to do so. Dyin' over here, yo)

― dave q, Friday, 10 October 2003 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Beach Boys = most overrated band OF ALL TIME!!!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 10 October 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Beach Boys = most overrated band OF ALL TIME!!!

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), October 10th, 2003.

Says Alex in a rare non-Killing Joke post.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 10 October 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

(actually, it's usually other people who bring them up just to provoke you--like I just did..and I basically agree with you on the Beach Boys anway...they have some really great songs, but, overall: whut-EVAH)

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 10 October 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

have we ever done "john lennon/plastic ono band" vs "the eminem show"? because they're pretty much the same album. no, really.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 10 October 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm...the beach boys' dad-fear vs the beatles oedipal-mom thing... never thought about that before. thanks, q

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 October 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Van Halen were 100x more the sound of California than the Beach Boys ever dreamed of being.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 10 October 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

One of my favorite things about the Beach Boys is how they used such fucked instrumentations to get such radio-friendly songs. I still like the Beatles better. Of course, I like Fishbone better than both. I am mental, you know.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 10 October 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Says Nickalicious in one of his rare non-Fishbone -- wait...

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 10 October 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd take Fishbone (through The Reality Of My Surroundings) over both the Beatles and Beach Boys, too. And I'd take Motorhead over every other band in the history of music.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 10 October 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave's Beatles vs. Beach Boys premise is more interesting than Fishbone vs. Motorhead, though!

One thing I will give the Beach Boys: they never really tried to get heavy. (ok Van Dyke Parks lyrics might have tried to get heavy a little) The song is called "I'm Bugged Out at My Old Man"!! HE WENT INSANE BECAUSE OF HIS OLD MAN!!! UNDERSTATEMENT!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 10 October 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

The song describes Dad 'cutting my hair off in my sleep' and boarding the windows shut, for fuck's sake

― dave q, Friday, 10 October 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the Beach Boys better. Comparing Van Halen to the BBs is amusing...IMHO there's no comparison there. The Beach Boys's records sound better than the Beatles's, and in retrospect it's clear to me that all the dissing of the Beach Boys in the light of the Beatles was simply a matter of a lotta people getting hyped up over a lot of the wrong things, like the fact that the Beatles were from England and all that, England and its rain and teacups being more hip than California and its sun and its hamburger stands. Silly. Musically, I take the BBs any day; conceptually, they're way more fucked up and weird and, you know, in line with my view of America as a place where materialism and spirituality are exactly the same thing, and why try to separate them? Brian W. certainly didn't, and while his arch little tone poems aren't usually as good as his songs about Johnny Carson, cars, girls, food, and various American cities, I find it hard to put the Beatles's arch little tone poems up over theirs. The Beach Boys Love You is everything I think pop music should be and the Beatles never even came close to its honest confusion. Fishbone are good, a good r&b band, but did they invent/embody a whole ethos? Whatever else you want to say about the admittedly unfashionably white and suburban BBs, "California Girls" and several others are truly mythic, and I myself can't say that about the Van Halens or Fishbone, and the Beatles seem merely utilitarian to me any more, devoid of any magic or light. This question is an old one and I have to wonder at the reasons for asking it. You have to be a little mature to appreciate the Beach Boys's apparent juvenality and to see through the Beatles's apparent sageness and all that bullshit.

― Eddie Bastin (eddieb), Friday, 10 October 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Fishbone vs. Motorhead

Hahahahahahahaha. As if! Fishbone? Hahahahaha! I mean, I like them and all, but Motorhead would bury them in a shallow, unmarked grave and summarily piss all over it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 10 October 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave, do you really think the song is "heavy" in any way? If so, it's only because it's so close to true. Anyone unaware of context would see it as a silly song, assuredly.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 10 October 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

>America as a place where materialism and spirituality are exactly the same thing, and why try to separate them?

This is exactly the worldview expressed in (Roth-era) Van Halen's songs. Go check the lyrics on the Fair Warning album, for starters.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 10 October 2003 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

1984, also.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 10 October 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Eddie Bastin, hear hear!!!!! I still fucking love the song "Baby You're a Rich Man," however, for all its pretenses; it still lives up to 'em, if you just concentrate on the bass line.

― Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Friday, 10 October 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"Baby You're a Rich Man" is one of my favorite Beatles song but it seems nobody rates it

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 11 October 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I like it too, Sonny.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 October 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah "baby you're a rich man" is one of my favorites, partly because it doesn't get played a lot, so i've never had a chance to get tired of it. unbelievable bassline, obscure yet oddly knowing words, that eerie clavioline winding in and out of the verses, an ahead-of-its-day groove, all topped off by the archetypal sinister-sweet lennon vocal.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 11 October 2003 05:56 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...

Beach Boys rock...Beatles blow...who wants to listen to a bunch of ballads when you got hip dance music to groove to

― Jessica Dix, Monday, 19 April 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

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