Who is Moving the Kraut Rock Movement at this Present Day

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as inspired by this thread...

however, i've got to admit that i think present influences of k-rock would have to include KILL BILL (neu! on a hollywood OST??? wtf?), twisted nerve (808 state's band - toolshed plus andy votel) ... who are the present day pop culture references for kraut rock?
-- st tremaine (coolkidofdeat...), October 14th, 2003.

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sounds like a new thread to me. go for it....
-- mark grout (mark.grou...), October 14th, 2003.

― st tremaine, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

umm, checked the soundtrack, its Super 16. (excerpt.)

Not their best track I would have said. not at that speed anyway.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Neu! is on the soundtrack? wtf..
Re. question, how do you really define 'KR' movement? When the whoel post-rock craze errupted, it was also hailed as a kraut rock revival, so that may be where to look. Otherwise, I never really believed in KR as a movement. Apart from being German and coming out at roughly the same time, those bands didn't share that much in my view.

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard a track by some scouse band calld Otanku No Denki the other day which sounded very much like something of Neu75 - Don't know anything else about them except they've got an album coming out soon (maybe out already)
But it was a pretty good track

― actionjackson, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I think at this point, most of the bigger names in krautrock have had their music infused into indie and post-rock to a degree that it would be hard to tell who *isn't* going forward with that stuff (to a degree). Bands like Neu, Can, Kraftwerk and Faust are probably as much a reference these days as the Beatles and Velvet Underground for underground rock.

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Has anyone heard of Neulander? I saw an ad for their album 'Sex, God & Money' (urgh) on the back of the current Careless Talk, and the blurb spouted all the right names ("electro meets Krautrock!", "File alongside Can, Neu! and the Human League")... but then that was record company spin.

― Hayden Nicholls (Pop the Weasel), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i wouldn't agree that krautrock was just a few bands who happened to all come from germany at the same time...i've only heard the best known kraftwerk stuff,admittedly,but everything i've heard has had a very recognisable sound,instantly identifiable...

― robin (robin), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i tend to just regard is as '70's german freak music that i like. I know others have a more walled-in defn, but that one works better for me, so they are all WRONG obvoiusly.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe a rephrase - what popular culture movement (band, person, book, movie, soundtrack) is responsible or will be responsible for the next kraut-rock revival?

― st tremaine, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Krautrock is a pretty meaningless term as a genre - I honestly can't draw a single stylistic comparisons between, say, Amon Duul II's 'Yeti' and the first Neu album - but I'm kind of glad it exists, if only for the fact that it places a lot of great bands that might otherwise have been lost into a proper historical framework. As for modern bands working in the spirit of the music: Black Dice (a lot Tangerine Dream, a little Can), Animal Collective (a bit of Amon Duul 1, a spot of Faust), and Noxagt (hmm, Amon Duul II... and a lot of Nordic metal). I'm sure there's loads of others, but these are the first modern examples that spring to mind.

― Jason J, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Who gives a fuck "what popular culture movement (band, person, book, movie, soundtrack) is responsible or will be responsible for the next kraut-rock revival"? What an inane question. What the fuck is the "Kraut Rock Movement" anyway? Krautrock (sic) is dead, buried, IT FINISHED SOMETIME IN THE LATE 70s - there in no "movement", there is no forward motion, there are only the fossilised remains. Jeezus!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

O.k, Krautrock movement for revival.

― st tremaine, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

You mean a revival, as in raking over the ashes of a long dead musical genre which was never really movement in the first place? I can barely contain my excitement

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

That's it, I want cabbage for supper tonight. Then I will be responsible for the Kraut revival in my belly!

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is turning me into a sour kraut

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe a rephrase - what popular culture movement (band, person, book, movie, soundtrack) is responsible or will be responsible for the next kraut-rock revival?

...When the Germans discover the oscillator again - after the Berlin wall is put back up.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

... or perhaps when science perfects the technology to allow time travel (or reanimate corpses... figuratively speaking)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yadda yadda yadda - you've successfully derailed a thread. whatcha going to do now? break a small child's balloon?

― st tremaine, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

... I think "burst" is the usual term used in English but I'm all for imaginative use of language

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously - the aesthetic of Kraut Rock depends upon the cold war. Without the starkness & despair, it's just David Hasselhoff.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is turning me into a sour kraut

er.....

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously - the aesthetic of Kraut Rock depends upon the cold war. Without the starkness & despair, it's just David Hasselhoff.

I think a much more important factor is the Second World War and the fact that the preceding generation voted for Hitler - that's kind of hard to create in 2003

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I always thought the aesthetic of k-rock was b/c of this big cultural isolation, somewhat like how the aesthetic of jamaican dub came about - faint echoes of a faraway scene changed out of all recognition (& improved imo). Sadly, you don't get that in the post mtv world (cliche blah)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Andreas Baader, man, that's what it is..

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

... I think "burst" is the usual term used in English but I'm all for imaginative use of language

I thought you had no capacity for imagination HAL?

What influence did the Baader Meinhoff gang have on rock'n'roll...

― st tremaine, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

as far as the original thread question goes, i think d leone upthread is right.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

What influence did the Baader Meinhoff gang have on rock'n'roll...

That's kind of easy - none. Everyone thought they were idiots.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

haha everyone except luke haines!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Listen to 'Presence' by Mouse On Mars

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

haha everyone except luke haines!!

Well kind of easy to invoke Andreas Baader, 20 years after his death, not exactly pushing back the boundaries is it? Of course German musicians of the time, most of whom were very definitely of the Left, never had anything good to say about the RAF at the time or since.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

He he, stirbt mein mein, Krautrock nie!

― Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Jagz Kooner.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.steubenparade.com/scrapbook/steuben_parade_2002/images/wehrbereichsmusikkorps.jpg

― Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

hmm you took me a bit too seriously there.. Anyhow, if you're gonna invoke the influence of the Hitler generation, then you might as well factor in the influence of what was going on at that time and what these guys' peers were up to. The fact that none supported the RAF doesn't mean that the Baader-Meinhof group had no influence on the cultural climate and by extension on the so-called Krautrock movement.

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Holger Czukay writes in a fantastic tribute to Stockhausen at PSF about how he was really the first one to use electronics and not sound as if he was either really academic, or really clueless - and also one of the first composers whose appeal stretched into experimental rock music of the time (ie, the Beatles). Musically speaking, I'd say Krautrock was the result of a group of musicians interested in exploring a lot of new performance/recording ideas, and having been interested in the Beatles, Hendrix, Velvet Underground and modern classical and electronic composition. (Note to the doubters, this is frightfully close to the beginnings of progressive rock, give or take the VU.)

Sociologically, I really couldn't say why Can and Kraftwerk happened in Germany, and not somewhere else. I mean, if it's all about cultural guilt, why did they wait until the late 60s?

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Enya

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

dleone, 'cause that's when the kids had finally grown up, right?

on the '96 cluster tour I did ask Moebius 'why Germany'. I'm not suggesting his answer is definitive, but it was a shockingly immediate response: 'You have to understand, we despised our fathers.' I mean, boom. He went on a bit more about how there was a widespread feeling that the german arts had to start over from absolute scratch.

about the embrace of electronics, the presence of Stockhausen certainly can't be played down. and the commercial success of a band as wild as Can certainly must have fueled the scene. more generalized observations about how germans have always had excellent engineering skills certainly play into a generation of musicians that weren't intimidated by electronic instruments with no traditional interfaces whatsoever. they weren't frightened by the necessary work method, and so they were among the first to grow ears for it.

― (Jon L), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

a bit more context for Moebius' comment (I'm quoting him with absolute accuracy, his response was so direct it made an impression) -- post Santa Cruz show, peak audience of 35 people who'd mostly all left, Moebius waving a strip of 10 drink tickets in his hand and offering beers around, as Roedelius is a lofty teetotaler.

― (Jon L), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Or, you could go by Karl Mueller (manager/friend of many big names in krautrock) and say that all those German bands were terrible American-ripoffs and nobody listened to them. And if you weren't there, then you have no right to discuss them. Nein!

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

hopefully I did qualify this enough when posting the first time, but I really wouldn't want anyone to mistake my anecdote as a definitive claim for the emotional roots of krautrock. lots of generalizations there. I am not a journalist, I am a poster to a chat room.

― (Jon L), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

mm, checked the soundtrack, its Super 16. (excerpt.)

"super 16" was probably used in 'kill bill' as some kind of tribute to 'master of the flying guillotine' (where it's used as the theme for the main villain, they also use some kraftwerk and allegedly some faust or can somewhere that i've never noticed).

― your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Scorpions -> Darkness, Accept -> Turbonegro

― dave q, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not like Germany was the only country that experienced a youth rebellion around the late 60s - the college-age populations of many Western countries - not least in France and the US - exercised a newfound political muscularity during those years. And it's not like Germany was the only country that was producing weird rock music during the late 60s either. It actually would have been more exceptional if something like Krautrock didn't happen there. I'd say that the existence of Krautrock was, if anything, evidence that West Germany had already bridged the cultural gap with the rest of the West - rather than evidence of some kind of cultural exceptionalism based on its history.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Klaus Mueller.

― guest, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I just mention that at the same time as Krautrock was happening, New German Cinema was also happening and that is certainly no coincidence. Similar things were happening in other countries but there is a definite difference to the German experience. Listen to what Dieter Moebius said, it is that profound. Sorry if I took you to seriously Baaderist, I forgot you only called yourself Baaderist because Andreas B looked cool in shades.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 10:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm, never seen a picture of the man actually.. Well if you mention the New german Cinema, then you simply have to look at Schlondorff's movie at that time to see how much more problematic the repercussions of the RAF was on the cultural scene.

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I see, you're into his political philosophy are you? Not that he had any to speak of.

What Schlondorff movie - he has made a few. Of course the "repercussions of the RAF was problematic on the cultural scene", it was obviously problematic for the Radical Left in Germany that the revolutionary impulse, post-1968, was hijacked by a few self-destructive nihilists and driven headlong up a cul-de-sac.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Try 'Germany in Autumn', 'Katherina Blum' and 'The Legend of Rita'. You've got a pretty simplistic view of the divide there. Instead of simply transferring your own sanctimonious attitude on the Radical Left of the time, witness if you will the level of support the RAF enjoyed, before AB's nihilism made it spin out of control. When I say problematic, I mean that the terrorist option triggered at first as much fascination as repulsion within the intelligentsia (cf. Schondorff's very ambivalent attitude towards the RAF).

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Klaus Mueller

what he said

― dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Try watching the Fassbinder sequence in "Germany In Autumn", I think you'll find it stands up a lot better than Schlondorff's. I've got a simplistic view of the divide (errrrrrr, what divide exactly?) - well that's kind of rich coming from someone calling himself "Baaderist" isn't it?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously - the aesthetic of Kraut Rock depends upon the cold war. Without the starkness & despair, it's just David Hasselhoff.

There's more to it...

70s Germany = robotic Hitlerjugend fathers VS lysergic hippies, Mutterkreuz breeder mentality VS free love, looming nuclear holocaust VS RAF department store bombs, sappy reverb-drenched Schlager VS The Velvet Underground, truncheons VS student skulls, etc etc => Krautrock.

80s Germany = looming nuclear holocaust VS everyone, Kohl VS nothing, ex-hippie establishment VS nothing => Hasselhoff.

― Herbstmute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

Enya

sevenxviii is otm.

In the recentRecord Collector magazine, Connie Plank's influence early in her career is mentioned.

― Vg (1411), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 02:57 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

man I don't listen to enough kraut & neokraut to know what's what but I wanna tell anybody who digs the long organic jams that Vinonaamakasio, the new album by a band called Shogun Kunitoki, is the BUSINESS. It took me three listens to really fully get into it but then wham, it is curing all ills for me right now OK not all but almost all.

― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 20:33 (sixteen years ago)

Fujiya and Miyagi make it pretty obvious that Krautrock is part of their sound.

― Maltodextrin, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 22:40 (sixteen years ago)

that Shogun Kunitoki album also comes as a picture disc LP which animates when the supplied strobe is shone on it whilst rotating. bloody hippies!
you can see a video of it working here -> http://www.shogunkunitoki.com/lamp/

― zappi, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 22:54 (sixteen years ago)

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