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I apologize profusely if there is already a thread about this album. (searches came up empty)

So what do y'all think about it?

On my first listens I was really disappointed. It didn't help that I thought "Stand Up" was his worst single yet (and i HATE "roll out"), I still don't like it. But I think this album is the shit.

"Blow Out Your Ass" isn't the best line for a repeated hook, but the beat is similiar to what I liked about alot of the beats on Word of Mouf.

Most of it has grown on me since my first listens especially "Pussy Poppin" "Teamwork" and "Hoes In My Room." Whereas I previously thought these songs were just plain tacky, I am enjoying them alot now.

"Diamond in the Back" "Screwed Up" and "We Got Them Guns" really sealed the deal for me. I am loving luda's "Flip the script and tell yo girl it's your time of the month" line in "We Got"

― joshd, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

You are the second person I've heard hating on "Stand Up," which I thought was/is a completely GREAT single. What's not to like about it? The beat is nasty, the line about "my time AND my clothes gotta coooooordinate" is great and so is "watch out for my jewelry, my diamonds is reckless/feels like a midget is hangin' from my necklace."

I have bought the album but haven't played it yet.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 16 October 2003 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

That line bugs the shit out of me. What is he saying.. he's late to shows because he hasn't gotten dressed yet? Please tell me that's not what he means.

When Ludacris comes out with a single I want it to smack me in the face. Stand Up is too mellow and the hook is too generic. The verses are alright, but the beat doesn't do anything for me.

― joshd, Thursday, 16 October 2003 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

What is he saying.. he's late to shows because he hasn't gotten dressed yet?

Not late to shows I didn't think - just "fashionably late" to clubs - either way, yeah, I think he's striking a sort of hip-hop landed-gentry pose, which I find pretty funny

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 16 October 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I just reviewed it. Major step down from Word of Mouf. It'll be up soon enough.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Thursday, 16 October 2003 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Rollie,

I loved it when you called Cam'Ron "the pink fuhrer of rap" in your juelz review. But surely its not a MAJOR step down from Word of Mouf. Except for that awful song produced by Erick Sermon and the unfortunate "Black Man's Struggle" skit, the rest of it AT WORST is a minor step down from Word of Mouf.

― joshd, Thursday, 16 October 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Would you believe the Erick Sermon song is one of the few I like? He has a few funny lines and the beat is so out of place on the album that it works. My major gripe is with how sloppy the Southern beats are. Where are the Neptunes? Timbaland?

I really, really like "Stand Up". Kanye is so fucking on right now.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Thursday, 16 October 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

There's something wrong with "sloppy"? Damn, I am going to have to restructure my entire value system

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 16 October 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

go clean up your room young man

― JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 16 October 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

fascists, fascists everywhere I turn

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 16 October 2003 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"Where are the Neptunes? Timbaland?"

can we please not ask that question as a complaint about any hip hop album they're not involved in? if you don't like the beats, fine, but there are more than 2 hot producers in the world.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 16 October 2003 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

The Neps and Luda's collaboration on the Clones album wasn't so hot.

Could Timbaland or Neps come up with a more fitting beat for the Luda/Lil Flip collabo?

Who needs them when you're the only outside artist DJ Paul and Juicy J work with.

I don't find a thing sloppy about the beats on that album. They are all ace, except for that GOD DAMN "hip hop quotables" track. It's time for Erick Sermon to pack it up.

Southern beats sloppy?? where to begin...

― joshd, Thursday, 16 October 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry if I came off mean spirited with that second Erick Sermon dig, If you like that track, thats fine. I didn't mean to attack your praise of the song.

― joshd, Thursday, 16 October 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, what's wrong with Hip Hop Quotables? It has some hilarious lines! "They say that I'm bad, they say I'm so evil / cuz I go on blind dates with actual blind people."

― Leon Neyfakh, Thursday, 16 October 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't really take offense. Your opinion is your opinion, much like mine is mine.

My opinion is that when you have blockbuster producers on your side, why just discard them like that? And I'm not the biggest fan of Three 6 Mafia. Like, that one song with the guy coughing as the snare? What the fuck is going on there? Regardless, Southern beats are lazy, outside of Lil' Jon.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Thursday, 16 October 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I gotta say, the word "lazy" here is giving me serious gas pains - is tension a necessary component of good rap beats?

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 16 October 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually I'm sure Hip Hop Quotables is a fine song.

Clearly I just have some irrational vendetta against Erick Sermon.

I believe the coughing is supposed to indicate persons who are coughing as they are dying from the bullets fired from Luda, I-20, titty boi, and chingy's guns.

I have to go to sleep soon so I don't want to get too worked up over this, but what do you mean by "sloppy, lazy" southern beats? Southern hip hop is consistently innovative and Lil Jon is just a small part of a much larger "scene" if one wanted to call it that.

― joshd, Thursday, 16 October 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Luda has said many times in interviews that he's mostly avoiding "blockbuster producers" on this album because he wants to prove he can do a hot song with anyone, and that there are plenty of good producers out there who aren't the Neptunes or Timbaland. plus, even if you are as big as Ludacris, filling up an album with Neptunes tracks is a good way to go way over budget. those guys don't come cheap.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 16 October 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm mystified that anyone could not think "Stand Up" is awesome.

I like the album but insanely - I don't think the slower tracks really work all that well, if only because Luda is at his best when he's coming at you hard and fast. Also something about "Hoes in my Room" is vaguely painful and I'm not even talking about the subject matter! All the uptempo numbers are great though.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 16 October 2003 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, it's "Pussy Poppin"? I just saw the video and it was "Booty Poppin."

Either way, I though to myself that this more snatch than you can shake a stiff at line of music video shit has just *got* to be about played out, no? I mean, enough is enough, right?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 16 October 2003 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

sex is so passé

― JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 16 October 2003 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)

passé it dis way!

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 16 October 2003 07:03 (twenty-two years ago)

'Regardless, Southern beats are lazy, outside of Lil' Jon.'

We like our music slow but our cars go faster!

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 16 October 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The Neps and Luda's collaboration on the Clones album wasn't so hot.

Hot was exactly the word for it! Am I the only one who likes that beat?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 October 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

my favorite tracks on that album right now are the ludacris and NORE tracks.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 16 October 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I was so amped to get this album after hearing "Stand Up," but I find it really unsatisfying on the whole. It's like every song has to have some gimmick: the sad song, the seduction song, the song about ugly hoes. Back for the First Time and his guest appearances seem to have no agenda or concept outside of him saying "I'm Ludacris! RAH!" It doesn't help that he kills his own momentum by following each of the three great songs on the record ("Stand Up", "Screwed Up", "Hip-Hop Quotables") with a skit.

I think the beat to "Stand Up" sounds a LOT like "Southern Hospitality"; it's almost a sequel, which is fine with me.

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Thursday, 16 October 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i think ludacris does have some of the funnier skits i've heard but none of the ones on this album are very good.

on the other hand Back for the First Time is more of a comp.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 16 October 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

The fact that Back for the First Time is basically a comp just shows that Ludacris's main fault is he has no idea how to plan out an album. He needs himself an outside exec producer.

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Thursday, 16 October 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

agreed

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 16 October 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

The "Black Man's Struggle" skit is the worst thing ever.

I like the Rob Quarters and T-Baggin ones though.

― joshd, Thursday, 16 October 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

hip-hop quotables is great and stand up may be my favorite single of the year. the album is pretty good. if there were nothing more than "stand up" that would be enough tho.

― will g. (will g.), Saturday, 18 October 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

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