it's kind of odd that this actually made it to the cover. I'm really wondering what the hell the point is anyway why they'd publish such a thing right now. Fugazi hasn't had a new album in a couple years and they've kept such a low profile lately I don't think they've even played any hometown shows this year.
anyway this guy has a mighty big axe to grind and seems to take the whole drugs/delinquency/sex/Satan axis of rock'n'roll way way too seriously. I agree that the uptight puritan vegan activist vibe in D.C. is pretty out of hand, but he seems to be attacking it from the completely wrong angle and weakens even the valid points he has.
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 17 October 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 17 October 2003 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 17 October 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 17 October 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)
also, I don't think it's fair to pin emo and Dashboard Confessional on Guy because of Rites of Spring, a band he was in for a short period of time 20 years ago....it seems like blaming Kurtis Blow because you don't like the new Chingy album or something.
― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 17 October 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― adaml (adaml), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― geeta (geeta), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― scott m (mcd), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)
Dumbfuck.
― Nick Mirov (nick), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― chad (chad), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nick Mirov (nick), Friday, 17 October 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)
Lally closed just closed the label, so maybe that says something else.
― earlnash, Friday, 17 October 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 17 October 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 17 October 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)
Hmph. I never got *that* memo.
― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 17 October 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)
If I didn't read the lyric sheet, I'd have thought "Cha-Cha-Cha-Cha-Cha-Cha Champion" was about a dance contest winner who liked "waffles! waffles! waffles! waffles! waffles waffles!"
Again, I love Fugazi and this article is shit, but what REALLY bothers me abou it is that the guy didn't rip on Fugazi for all the shit they SHOULD get called on.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 October 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 October 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)
"I could never really get into them. I like the Minutemen a lot more."
Now gimme $200
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 17 October 2003 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)
There was actually a sly article in that paper, bringing his principles into question just the other week (not online that I can find). Something about a tape box from the 1980's, addressed to CBS Records president Walter Yetnikoff with return address "MacKaye" at the old Dischord House address. MacKaye finally figured the box must have held a tape by an old piano-playing neighbor of his, and that Ian's mom must have sent the tape. The author of the piece made great comedic hay of the implied impugnity to his hard-core morality in an attempt to get a deal for Minor Threat with a major label.
― Bob Crain (bobcrain), Friday, 17 October 2003 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 19 October 2003 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave q, Sunday, 19 October 2003 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 19 October 2003 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave q, Sunday, 19 October 2003 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― scott seward, Sunday, 19 October 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)
were men's recovery project from D.C.? i really liked them the one time i saw them live. they were ex-hardcore types, right? i will look them up after i post this, thus making my post kinda meaningless. but thems the breaks.
― scott seward, Sunday, 19 October 2003 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― scott seward, Sunday, 19 October 2003 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― scott seward, Sunday, 19 October 2003 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― mike a (mike a), Monday, 20 October 2003 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)
Anybody ever check out the DC go-go/dancehall band "The Emperors"?
― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 20 October 2003 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 20 October 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)
Which is even more hilarious because when I met Dead Meadow's rhythm section a week ago they looked, sounded and dressed like quiet, earnest folk who could just as easily been dismissed as being in a wimp indie band (if you didn't actually know what the music sounded like).
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 October 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)
And there's been plenty of sexy, dangerous rock music made in DC in the last couple of decades: Bikini Kill, Bratmobile, Deep Lust, Slant 6, etc., are all from or at least were based in DC for a while there. The problem seems to be that they are girls and girls don't rock. There's also go-go and Genuwine, but black people don't rock either. And there's Shudder to Think and the Dismemberment Plan, too, but weird arty guys who make twisted, oblique rock music obviously don't know how to have any fun. And then Dead Meadow, but, um, why doesn't he like them? Or Black Eyes? Are they gay or something?
― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 20 October 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)
But like I said earlier, this author cultivates a glam/sleaze rock image around his writing and his previous failed bands, and he probably wouldn't know an interestingly twisted post-punk band if it kicked him in the groin. (In the article he praised the Meatmen, whose primary contribution to the area was fratboys wearing "We're the Meatmen...and You Suck!" t-shirts.)
― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 20 October 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 October 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)
"Hey Ben: Mike Little here. I enjoyed your response. Itwas nasty, brutish and short. I've always been anunderachiever, but never did I expect to write thesingle worst piece of music journalism in the historyof alt-weeklies. I plan to frame your e-mail and giveit pride of place above my desk. Have a good one"
― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Monday, 20 October 2003 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 20 October 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 20 October 2003 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)
"Dear Washington City Paper,
Congratulations on publishing the single worst pieceof music journalism in the history of alt-weeklyad-rags. Michael Little's piece on Fugazi reads likea blog entry from a lonely college sophomore who justdiscovered Lester Bangs."
Now I guess I kind of feel bad, for (1) being so extreme, (2) being the kind of creepy person who writes letters to magazines and newspapers just to disagree with someone's opinion, and (3) falling for the bait and buying into the whole reactionary nature of the article. But still, I feel so intensely connected to -- and protective of -- Fugazi, having grown up in suburban D.C. and discovering so many things because of them. Guess that's it.
― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Monday, 20 October 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mike Little, Monday, 20 October 2003 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave q, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 06:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)
Yes, and I recognized that because I've read your "Comely Mike Montana" ramblings in Snap Pop. But did you seriously expect your article to be taken in that manner by people who aren't familiar with your backstory?
― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mike Little, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)
So...ummm...presumably this is based on in-concert things that IM pretty much stopped doing five or six years ago, yes? Not to be smarmy but if there's anything "moralistic" about, say, Red Medicine, I didn't find it. One could fairly level charges of artsy-fartsyness, but "dour" etc. seem like they're attacking a target that hasn't actually existed for some time.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― point_misser (point_misser), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― DarrensCoq, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)
[straightedge can go eat a dick tho][or is that against the rules too?]
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)
Only in the context of an established monogamous relationship between two consenting adults.;^}
― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)
I would love to know what this means, could anyone fill me in?
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)
Ha, no, that's the FMC, the Future of Music Coalition:
http://www.futureofmusic.org/
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)
Anyway, just a point: Ian's concern about moshing/dancing at shows wasn't purtianical -- it was a response to the scary-ass skinhead 'bow throwing and steel-toed-boot stomping that used to go on.
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)
― Waking Up Onstage at Jumbo's (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)
Starting in 2003, Michael Little contributed live-music reviews to the Post Style section, earning as many as three bylines a week. But in the months after Little published a controversial article in the City Paper arguing that D.C. rock icons Fugazi were no fun (“In on the Killjoy,” 10/17/2003), his assignments from the Post, Little says, thinned out considerably—thanks, Little suspects, to the pro-Fugazi bias of a Style staffer. By the following spring, Little was down to about two assignments a month.Kaufman discounts Little’s theory that the Post is in the tank for Fugazi. “I think Michael knows better than that,” he says. “We weren’t satisfied with the job he was doing. I really don’t want to go into detail on it.”By June 2004, Little was frustrated enough to take it to his blog, Unremitting Failure (futility.typepad.com), where he wrote, “In an attempt to prove that we can work with no one, Unremitting Failure plans to tell the Washington Post...to eat (in straightedge photog Glen Friedman’s immortal words) a ‘bag of cocks,’” plus personal comments about the aforementioned staffer.“Part of it was, I didn’t care if I got fired,” Little says. “Plus, I figured nobody would ever see it.”Wrong: His boss, then-pop-music-critic David Segal, wrote him a few weeks later: “Your attempt to prove that you can’t work with us was a success,” he wrote. “You can’t work with us any longer.”(Disclosure: “In on the Killjoy” also earned Little a brief vacation from the City Paper’s pages, after editors heard that he called Fugazi guitarist Ian MacKaye to apologize. [Little says he did not call to offer an apology.] “Thou shalt have the courage of your convictions” is Commandment 11.4(c) in the Washington City Paper Freelancer’s Guide to Not Getting Fired.)
link to the full article
― Edward Bax (EdBax), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)
― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)
― cdwill (cdwill), Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)
It's part of an article in the City Paper that talks about freelancing for the Post.
― Edward Bax (EdBax), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)
― gear (gear), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)