Washington City Paper cover story - hatchet job on Fugazi

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it's kind of odd that this actually made it to the cover. I'm really wondering what the hell the point is anyway why they'd publish such a thing right now. Fugazi hasn't had a new album in a couple years and they've kept such a low profile lately I don't think they've even played any hometown shows this year.

anyway this guy has a mighty big axe to grind and seems to take the whole drugs/delinquency/sex/Satan axis of rock'n'roll way way too seriously. I agree that the uptight puritan vegan activist vibe in D.C. is pretty out of hand, but he seems to be attacking it from the completely wrong angle and weakens even the valid points he has.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

what's really odd is that for every potshot he takes at fugazi and ian, he follows it up with "not that you could accuse fugazi/ian mackaye of..."

mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

how much do you wanna bet that he got dumped by a freshman activist at georgetown?

mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

that was a cover story? dude could have said the same thing more effectively in 900 words.

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 17 October 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"goodness is boring" has got to be the most played-out trope in all music criticism. Makes me wanna write a favorable review of P.O.D. just to be ornery. Oh wait I already did that.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 17 October 2003 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

ian's so pure of heart he played in Nig-Heist.

jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 17 October 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The City Paper editors should have noted that the writer is better known in the scene as unsuccessful glamrocker "Comely Mike Montana." In the zine Snap Pop! he routinely blasts these charges against Fugazi. You gotta wonder why the City Paper editors feel this merited a cover story.

j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 17 October 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus, more Lester Bangs gabba-gabba-hey-go-shoot-heroin-into-your-dick-for-rock-n-roll!!!

also, I don't think it's fair to pin emo and Dashboard Confessional on Guy because of Rites of Spring, a band he was in for a short period of time 20 years ago....it seems like blaming Kurtis Blow because you don't like the new Chingy album or something.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 17 October 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks to Fugazi, Washington can pride itself on having the most earnest music scene in the world. fuckers. From the get-go, the post-punk band threw itself into charity.. fuckers. MacKaye insisted that the band never charge more than five bucks a show, and that Dischord never charge more than $10 a record.fuckers.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahaha!

adaml (adaml), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I think we're giving this article more merit than it really deserves. I don't live in DC, but is the Washington City Paper even anything to write home about? It looks to me like it's a weekly ad paper. Their website looks like an online coupon site and they don't seem to really cover any news, ala this 15 years too late Fugazi story. I think most people would admit that while Fugazi is still pretty good (and markedly different than they once were,) they are pretty irrelevant anymore in the music world. Encouraging good values though is always socially relevant I'm told.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Why'd this guy get so much space to argue what is essentially the same point for like 1500 words?! Man I wish I got his word counts! This could've been distilled into a single paragraph

geeta (geeta), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be great if it were a blog.

scott m (mcd), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Song number one is not a fuck you song
I'll save that thought until later on
You want to know if there's something wrong?
It's nothing. everybody's talking about their hometown scenes
And hurting people's feelings in their magazines
You want to know what it all means?
It's nothing.
Fighting for a haircut?
Then grow your hair
Crying for the music?
I doubt you really care
Looking for an answer?
You can find it anywhere
It's nothing.
Life is what you want it to be
So don't get tangled up trying to be free
And don't worry what the other people see
It's nothing.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it's about time somebody took these excellent musicians with a sense of diginity that donate time and energy to noble causes and care deeply for their fans down a peg or two.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

He's right about one thing: great rock and roll really doesn't care.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Three words for dumbfuck Michael Little: The. Dismemberment. Plan.

Dumbfuck.

Nick Mirov (nick), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The City Paper is a decent free weekly, with all the pros and cons you would expect of the medium. Their arts criticism is usually pretty good, or at least it usually makes sense. This piece seems to be out of place for them.

NA (Nick A.), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

What an asshole. This article is one the lamest attack pieces I've ever read. His arguments are lame, his examples are stupid and he makes himself sound like a total fool. If this is a parody type thing it's brilliant. I think Fugazi are great, and I'm not some kind of wide-eyed fan boy either. I've seen them play a couple of times and they didn't preach at the crowd at all, and they seemed to be (gasp) having fun playing.Maybe they don't preach at Canadians.When did this shit happen, 1988? Fuck, get over it, man.Go attack something worth attacking. And catch a dose of the clap too,yea rock'n'roll baby. I'll be laughing with at you a beer in my hand.

chad (chad), Friday, 17 October 2003 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, so maybe the D-Plan doesn't really jibe with Mr. Little's concept of rock, but it certainly doesn't fit into whatever anti-fun crowd he's apparently aligning himself against. Anyway, if he wants be all rock 'n' roll and wear leather pants and snort coke off groupies' breasts, he should move to New York like everyone else.

Nick Mirov (nick), Friday, 17 October 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

That story cannot account for Fugazi bassist Joe Lally's label that put out records by Dead Meadow and Spirit Caravan. Those two bands sound much closer to satan loves drugs than vegan sXe that is for sure.

Lally closed just closed the label, so maybe that says something else.

earlnash, Friday, 17 October 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

He was probably just sick of the work and losing money, like most indie label owners that pack it in.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 17 October 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"He's right about one thing: great rock and roll really doesn't care."
i believe this too, but i believe the "not caring" is in the realm of not caring what people will think of you. considering the unpopular stances of minor threat and fugazi (most rock fans like to drink, mosh, fuck, and smoke) i don't see why they're not seen to be just as rock as the stones. plus their music is way fun.

Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 17 October 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The truth is that rock 'n' roll doesn't want you to become a better human being. It wants you to damage your hearing. It wants you to drink heavily, gobble illicit little pills without knowing what they are, and drive your car at insane speeds smack into a K-hole.

Hmph. I never got *that* memo.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 17 October 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHA, the funny thing is that I don't think ever realizes how goddamn VAGUE Fugazi lyrics are! I have every album but Ian totally lost his Minor Threat-era directness after hanging out with Guy "The Poet" Picciotto. People always give Fugazi too much credit for what the do outside their music without realizing how frikkin' random their songs and slogans are 3/4 of the time. I WANT TO AFFECT YOUR WAY OF THINKING! With what? UM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY A ZINE TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.

If I didn't read the lyric sheet, I'd have thought "Cha-Cha-Cha-Cha-Cha-Cha Champion" was about a dance contest winner who liked "waffles! waffles! waffles! waffles! waffles waffles!"

Again, I love Fugazi and this article is shit, but what REALLY bothers me abou it is that the guy didn't rip on Fugazi for all the shit they SHOULD get called on.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 October 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

that should be I don't think he ever realizes.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 October 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Agreed, Anthony....I actually don't mind the less strident/more vague bent, but it's funny that many things you read about Fugazi seem to be talking about Repeater-era Fugazi, like they haven't even heard The Argument or End Hits....they're actually more of a wierd arty punk dub band at this point....I mean like the Argument even has pianos and stuff, there's only a handful of rockers, fer chrissakes

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, not to mention the Argument is their best and most critically hailed album SINCE Repeater, so you'd think more people would know what's up. Then again, there's probably a good argument for utilizing the Lone Assclown Theory in regards to this article.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Nate writes a substitute Fugazi-dislike article for you:

"I could never really get into them. I like the Minutemen a lot more."

Now gimme $200

nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 17 October 2003 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, there's always a time for revisionisim, and now must be the time for Fugazi. The Washington City Paper has printed many gushing, laudatory articles and reviews of Fugazi over the years. The general City Paper editorial stance of negativity has finally caught up with the subject of Ian MacKaye.

There was actually a sly article in that paper, bringing his principles into question just the other week (not online that I can find). Something about a tape box from the 1980's, addressed to CBS Records president Walter Yetnikoff with return address "MacKaye" at the old Dischord House address. MacKaye finally figured the box must have held a tape by an old piano-playing neighbor of his, and that Ian's mom must have sent the tape. The author of the piece made great comedic hay of the implied impugnity to his hard-core morality in an attempt to get a deal for Minor Threat with a major label.

Bob Crain (bobcrain), Friday, 17 October 2003 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, something he did 23 years ago sure does impugn his cred, huh?

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 19 October 2003 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

What the fuck is wrong with everyone? The article is great. Odd how everyone bashes Bushco for aggressive conservative fundamentalism, when ever since 9/11 everybody's turned into a caring sharing bunch of snug breeders droning on about ethics and family values. No wonder Americans like Nick Hornby so much

dave q, Sunday, 19 October 2003 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i still dont understand why this article was published. if fugazi is boring then go to a go-go show, ie fugazi is just one indigenous scene amongst many. the writer has such huge blinders on that the only alternative to serious rock and roll he can think of is fun rock and roll. no wonder there are no more techno vinyl shops in this fucking city. (not his fault obv, but maybe City Paper, whose coverage of non-indie is usually pretty slim, and that is something relatively recent. i bought my first photek cd on their advice in 1997).

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, Dave q, I still feel there's middleground between MacKaye and this equally pious wild man from DC (who thinks they're following the wrong rules). And I'm hoping that the middleground doesn't have to sound like Jim DeRogatis.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

and americans don't like nick hornby

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 19 October 2003 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(*relieved*) that's good, I want to go back and visit there someday. Hopefully before all the terror-sex babies are old enough to play soccer

dave q, Sunday, 19 October 2003 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG I just realized the writer big-upped Camper Van Beethoven. ROCK OUT WITH YOUR COCK OUT, DUDE!!!!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

does about a boy the book end in the same way as about a boy the movie? that had to be the lamest most cringe-inducing ending to a movie i've seen in a while. the part where the ugly kid is singing killing me softly and hugh grant gets on stage and helps him out. i really thought that the kid would decide that he would be the biggest loser in the world if he did that song and that he would end up doing a booty-rap number(cuz that's what he starts listening to in the movie) instead with his cool friends backing him up and the little girls dressed like motown girlgroup singers providing backing vocals. then he would be a hero and the coolest kid in school. but this didn't happen and i don't understand why cuz if i had seen that in the movie theatre i would have asked for my money back.

scott seward, Sunday, 19 October 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know about the ending, but supposedly the kid's a Kurt Cobain fan in the book, not a Ludacris banger. Which makes it even more absurd he'd sing "Killing Me Softly" at the end.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

that movie is curdled and never should have been released.

were men's recovery project from D.C.? i really liked them the one time i saw them live. they were ex-hardcore types, right? i will look them up after i post this, thus making my post kinda meaningless. but thems the breaks.

scott seward, Sunday, 19 October 2003 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

scott, they weren't from d.c. and they featured ex-members of Born Against. you used to have a Born Against album but you sold it on ebay. buy all the MRP albums when you get a chance, they are cool.

scott seward, Sunday, 19 October 2003 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, cool, i will. thanks.

scott seward, Sunday, 19 October 2003 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

How does this writer not see that Guy's "ice-cream eating mf" speech is one of the FUNNIEST things ever said onstage? I mean, seriously, I was in hysterics.

mike a (mike a), Monday, 20 October 2003 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Ten years too late is right, this cover story was a case of praise by faint damning. There's nothing wrong with Fugazi, except the pale closet farmer lamp that encouraged the growth of Unrest, Tsunami, and Eggs. I don't blame Ian MacKaye any more than I blame Steve Albini for Tar, Wreck, or Surgery, and in any case it's all ancient history. Since you asked me, a high profile smear piece needs a lot more name-calling -- witness NYPress' recent assfacing of innocent out-of-towner Chuck Klosterman. This Michael Little in the DC City Paper seemed short of examples of how Fugazi are extracting the fun from rock. (I think Jenny Toomey runs the PMRC now, but that went unmentioned.) Plus the high heroin casualty rate of the Velvet Monkeys / Workdogs / 9353 / Mo-Pagans era of DC rock was no fun, either. Stupid story, trying to "shake things up" (ad dept lingo there), firing broadsides at sacred cows and missing. Joe Lally brought the Obsessed back from the dead, so there's your DC drugs and sex party, dumbass.

Anybody ever check out the DC go-go/dancehall band "The Emperors"?

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 20 October 2003 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

...praise by faint damning.
I'm now officially adding this to my vocabulary.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 20 October 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

That story cannot account for Fugazi bassist Joe Lally's label that put out records by Dead Meadow and Spirit Caravan. Those two bands sound much closer to satan loves drugs than vegan sXe that is for sure.

Which is even more hilarious because when I met Dead Meadow's rhythm section a week ago they looked, sounded and dressed like quiet, earnest folk who could just as easily been dismissed as being in a wimp indie band (if you didn't actually know what the music sounded like).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 October 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate guys like this. I see them at after-hours parties all the time, doing piles of coke and waving their dicks at girls in the kitchen and maybe setting their hair on fire. I would gladly round up Baltimore's army of asshole cokehead rockabilly glam losers and send them 30 miles south to make this guy happy.

And there's been plenty of sexy, dangerous rock music made in DC in the last couple of decades: Bikini Kill, Bratmobile, Deep Lust, Slant 6, etc., are all from or at least were based in DC for a while there. The problem seems to be that they are girls and girls don't rock. There's also go-go and Genuwine, but black people don't rock either. And there's Shudder to Think and the Dismemberment Plan, too, but weird arty guys who make twisted, oblique rock music obviously don't know how to have any fun. And then Dead Meadow, but, um, why doesn't he like them? Or Black Eyes? Are they gay or something?

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 20 October 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I've seen DC audiences stand still in the face of blazing sets by Q & Not U, Dismemberment Plan, or Black Eyes. Supposedly this is because Ian used to hassle audiences for dancing during Fugazi shows. (And considering how closely people pack around the stage, he was probably thinking about safety.)

But like I said earlier, this author cultivates a glam/sleaze rock image around his writing and his previous failed bands, and he probably wouldn't know an interestingly twisted post-punk band if it kicked him in the groin. (In the article he praised the Meatmen, whose primary contribution to the area was fratboys wearing "We're the Meatmen...and You Suck!" t-shirts.)

j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 20 October 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

He sounds like a tool in general, hm. Perhaps rocks will fall on his head.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 October 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I wrote a letter to the editor of the City Paper about the article, trashing it, and the author wrote me back. He seemed to have a good sense of humor about it.

"Hey Ben: Mike Little here. I enjoyed your response. It
was nasty, brutish and short. I've always been an
underachiever, but never did I expect to write the
single worst piece of music journalism in the history
of alt-weeklies. I plan to frame your e-mail and give
it pride of place above my desk. Have a good one"

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Monday, 20 October 2003 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

which means (after you remove the bitter sarcasm) "I read your response, crumpled it into a ball and did a three point shot into my wastepaper basket. Yaaaay Me."

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 20 October 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, all kidding aside, did you make a draft copy of the email you sent, so you can share it with the rest of the class.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 20 October 2003 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I wrote the guy again and invited him to weigh in on this thread if he felt like it. Again, he wrote back with a thoughtful response. He seems like a decent guy. I guess I can think of some "sacred cow" type acts that I would tear into as enthusiastically.
Incidentally, my initial letter went like this:

"Dear Washington City Paper,

Congratulations on publishing the single worst piece
of music journalism in the history of alt-weekly
ad-rags. Michael Little's piece on Fugazi reads like
a blog entry from a lonely college sophomore who just
discovered Lester Bangs."

Now I guess I kind of feel bad, for (1) being so extreme, (2) being the kind of creepy person who writes letters to magazines and newspapers just to disagree with someone's opinion, and (3) falling for the bait and buying into the whole reactionary nature of the article. But still, I feel so intensely connected to -- and protective of -- Fugazi, having grown up in suburban D.C. and discovering so many things because of them. Guess that's it.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Monday, 20 October 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi everybody: Ben invited me to check out this board and I thought, "Why not? Anytime's a good time for vicious abuse!" Lots of good points are raised, and in my defense I'll say only that my argument was a kind of caricature--you know, like the Ramones. I mean, I know it has more holes in it than swiss cheese. But hey, it's great for starting arguments. That said, props to nick for managing to call me a dumbfuck twice in a ten-word post--that's focus--and to nate, whose rewrite of my article ("I could never really get into them. I like the Minutemen a lot more.") beats fuck out of mine. The only problem is, I get paid by the word. Have fun, Mike

Mike Little, Monday, 20 October 2003 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but (pace j.lu) do you know interestingly twisted post-punk bands, or have they all hit you in the groin?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike, I hope the BBS-stylee sniping won't prevent you from hanging around and talking about this, because I think it's worth talking about. My point early in the thread was, and is: isn't the "goodness is so dull!"/"goodness and rocknroll do not go together" trope 1) played out 2) inaccurate 3) a dead end?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

writing about rock music is like masturbating and not coming. playing it is a great deal more rewarding. mr. Little must be completely blind by now.

Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

By the by, judging the vintage of some of those photos -- Lafayette Park in 1991, for example -- just curious how many were repurposed from Fugazi love letters in CityPaper editions past. I'd respect highly a long-winded smear that was disrespectful and lazy enough to simply stitch together past praise with the words "not" "don't" and "can't" cast into every sentence. It's a formula, but hey.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

DC hardcore = 'goodness'? Those are the guys whose dads killed Allende

dave q, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 06:53 (twenty-one years ago)

my personal favorite: "Randy Newman has made a career - and some really tremendous music - out of not meaning a single thing he says."

Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

the Toy Story soundtrack really came from the heart, though.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll say only that my argument was a kind of caricature

Yes, and I recognized that because I've read your "Comely Mike Montana" ramblings in Snap Pop. But did you seriously expect your article to be taken in that manner by people who aren't familiar with your backstory?

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Sure. Do you really think there's anybody out there truly advocating heavy drug use by CHILDREN? Do you think I'm some kind of MONSTER? I'm merely stated the Devil's case, as I say right in the article. What's more, I say rock is a joker and prankster. Well, what better way to get an entire community's panties in a twist than by advocating all kinds of wretched excess AS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE to Fugazi's monasticism. I'm not going to say it was a put-on, because I really do believe that Fugazi's take on things is dour, moralistic, and anti-fun, but hey, do you seriously think I see snorting coke off supermodels as the only available alternative? Or that I, as someone has accused me, despise benefit concerts? (I don't. I just don't like the preaching that goes on at some of them.) Or that I really think Fugazi had as much power as I attribute to them or that there were no alternatives in this town to their puritanism? There have always been alternatives, always will be. I was merely trying to say that the mood in this town is more serious than other towns I've been to, and I think that has to do with the example set by MacKaye and company. And I object to your characterizations of my writings as "rambling." They may meander occasionally, but ramble? I leave that to Led Zeppelin.

Mike Little, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

because I really do believe that Fugazi's take on things is dour, moralistic, and anti-fun

So...ummm...presumably this is based on in-concert things that IM pretty much stopped doing five or six years ago, yes? Not to be smarmy but if there's anything "moralistic" about, say, Red Medicine, I didn't find it. One could fairly level charges of artsy-fartsyness, but "dour" etc. seem like they're attacking a target that hasn't actually existed for some time.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

...which is to say, how come you aren't calling out Jenny Toomey, who's twice as preachy as MacKaye, only on different subjects?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

and i'm just sitting here the whole time thinking about nation of ulysses and where they would fit in. (and how they were to me - eighteen year old wide-eyed belgian fresh-at-university student - the single most exciting thing i'd ever witnessed on a stage). and circus lupus for that matter. plain *funky* live show and not a preacher in sight.

point_misser (point_misser), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Circus Lupus's "Pop Man" is the BEST SONG EVER

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know Fugazi very well but every time I see a discussion on them it immediately gets polarized like this (excluding threadstarter Al because he's naturally black and wise): party warriors (who probably don't go THAT hard, i mean this is indie rock and I've seen bitches G-hole while DRIVING A CAR) exaggerating the Fugazi fans' charismaless pussiness, and the Fugazi guys (usually guys) exaggerating the party guys' decadence and lack of moral fiber/humility/etc., and it always ends up like, "You obsvervation about Ian M. is anachronistic/out-of-context and you're wrong" X 1000. BOOOOORING. I mean, if everyone just vowed to live principled, greater-good-focused lives all week wearing "self-propelled adventure sports" gear and refilling containers and saved only the weekend for doing drugs and acting the fool, these discussions would not exist. The middleground is SO easy so stop hypothesising it and just do it already!

DarrensCoq, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

uh oh j0hn -- yr. just paving a way for another hitpiece: "Simple Machines: Who Can Bother To Collect Boring Stupid Singles Anyway?" (subhead: "can independent music be too much fun?")

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

[haha and revolver is the only fugazi album i like]

[straightedge can go eat a dick tho]
[or is that against the rules too?]

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

[straightedge can go eat a dick tho]
[or is that against the rules too?]

Only in the context of an established monogamous relationship between two consenting adults.
;^}

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"I've seen bitches G-hole while DRIVING A CAR"

I would love to know what this means, could anyone fill me in?

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Al is black and wise?

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Darren knows I'm truly neither, that's just how he talks sometimes. the other night he told me "this guy told me this story about how he had to take a huge shit and decided to pull over at Leon's (a furniture store) cuz they had clean bathrooms and how he ended up buying a TV out of a vague sense of civic duty, i said, 'that's so shipley'"...I still haven't figured that one out entirely.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Fugazi's Revolver vs. The Beatles' Repeater

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
I think Jenny Toomey runs the PMRC now

Ha, no, that's the FMC, the Future of Music Coalition:

http://www.futureofmusic.org/

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 17 March 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Ha! I remember this article, and how livid I got when I read it at the time.

Anyway, just a point: Ian's concern about moshing/dancing at shows wasn't purtianical -- it was a response to the scary-ass skinhead 'bow throwing and steel-toed-boot stomping that used to go on.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes I cringe when a thread is revived on which I've gotten all hot and bothered about something ridiculous. But man, I really do hate this article. There was some follow up - a letter that Ian MacKaye wrote was printed in the next issue of the City Paper - but I can't find it on the CP website. I'll go Google for it.

Waking Up Onstage at Jumbo's (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

eleven months pass...
Followup:

Starting in 2003, Michael Little contributed live-music reviews to the Post Style section, earning as many as three bylines a week. But in the months after Little published a controversial article in the City Paper arguing that D.C. rock icons Fugazi were no fun (“In on the Killjoy,” 10/17/2003), his assignments from the Post, Little says, thinned out considerably—thanks, Little suspects, to the pro-Fugazi bias of a Style staffer. By the following spring, Little was down to about two assignments a month.
Kaufman discounts Little’s theory that the Post is in the tank for Fugazi. “I think Michael knows better than that,” he says. “We weren’t satisfied with the job he was doing. I really don’t want to go into detail on it.”
By June 2004, Little was frustrated enough to take it to his blog, Unremitting Failure (futility.typepad.com), where he wrote, “In an attempt to prove that we can work with no one, Unremitting Failure plans to tell the Washington Post...to eat (in straightedge photog Glen Friedman’s immortal words) a ‘bag of cocks,’” plus personal comments about the aforementioned staffer.
“Part of it was, I didn’t care if I got fired,” Little says. “Plus, I figured nobody would ever see it.”
Wrong: His boss, then-pop-music-critic David Segal, wrote him a few weeks later: “Your attempt to prove that you can’t work with us was a success,” he wrote. “You can’t work with us any longer.”
(Disclosure: “In on the Killjoy” also earned Little a brief vacation from the City Paper’s pages, after editors heard that he called Fugazi guitarist Ian MacKaye to apologize. [Little says he did not call to offer an apology.] “Thou shalt have the courage of your convictions” is Commandment 11.4(c) in the Washington City Paper Freelancer’s Guide to Not Getting Fired.)

link to the full article

Edward Bax (EdBax), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

The link up top now leads to an article about crackhouses.
Irony rofls.

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Why is the Washington Post mentioned? I thought he wrote for the City Paper...

cdwill (cdwill), Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

I think he wrote for both papers and the implication is that his Fugazi story for the City Paper effected his relationship with the post.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

"Starting in 2003, Michael Little contributed live-music reviews to the Post Style section, earning as many as three bylines a week. . . . Little published a controversial article in the City Paper . . . "

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny Toomey put a hit on him, and now his career's over. Hey, it happens to the best of us.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 16 March 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

Why is the Washington Post mentioned? I thought he wrote for the City Paper...

It's part of an article in the City Paper that talks about freelancing for the Post.

Edward Bax (EdBax), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

what a martyr

gear (gear), Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)


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