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But right now I'm listening to the just released singles comp, as picked up in the UK, and you know, the damn thing's near perfect. Always imagined it would be, actually -- the more time went on the more I figured that the inevitable comp would be pretty spiff and so it proves. When it comes to the new songs, "Attitude"'s a bit bemusing but in a good way, like Brett's stated lurv for Missy Elliott/Timbaland snakes in through the music finally (while also making an indirect sense of the 'electronic reggae' hash Brett was muttering about earlier in the year). The video with John Hurt has to be strange, weird and good, I trust. "Love The Way You Love," is crisp, clean, storming stuff, like a revisit to the Head Music electronic turn with Mat letting some honest to god funk out on bass.

And the new biography's great as well and having met David Barnett who wrote it, he's a sweetie. Hm, I am revitalized for this band. Off to listen to Sci-Fi Lullabies now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

ned please fill us in on the details of the biog !!!

what's the dirt ? it's been described as a 'warts and more' tale.
i'm all baited breath over here. yeah david b is very nice chap
from what i remember. i recall him literally *shaking* after meeting them @ the sheffield octagon circa 94, just after richard joined.

there's a radio ad for the singles all over XFM in england with steve lamacq on it, which just has like, seconds-long clips of the 'trash' 'animal nitrate' 'she's in fashion' and 'stay together'. it sounds *remarkably* ace !

the old fan in me, despite being disappointed by glastonbury, can't help feeling thrilled to see them selling out brixton academy again.

they did actually ask bernard back for the ICA gigs according to brett
in an interview on bbc radio 6.

here's a link !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/artists/suede.shtml

piscesboy, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

It's very good! There's definitely a lot of stuff I either didn't know about or only knew in very vague senses -- the whole Justine/Damon/Brett triangle makes so much more strange sense now. But also it goes into pretty painful detail about Brett's drug horror days in between Coming Up and Head Music, which personally I'm glad I didn't know too much about at the time. And to David B.'s credit he's extremely forthcoming about what songs and performances he does and doesn't like, which for a guy who fulfilled just about the ultimate fan dream when it came to working with the band short of actually *being* in the band was a welcome sight. To note a contrast, there's a difference between the understandably positive reports that often came out via the official fan mag which he has edited for some time and what's in the bio -- it's not that he's going back on anything he said either, because normally most of the song comments he published were from band members or other members of the fanclub. You get the sense that here he's been able to lay things out on the line and wasn't stopped from doing so at all by either the band or manager Charlie Charlton, and I appreciate that -- it's a good critical biography from a sympathetic viewpoint as opposed to one which wants to write everything off.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)


when i first met him he was still editing the fanzine 'suave and elegant' which had a very healthy amount of total piss-taking, frivolity and sarkiness. especially cosidering that, in the uk at least, the entire music press/media critical populace was giving the band insanely positive reviews all round at the time of the zine's existence (roughly i think from just at the release of the first album, to just after dog man star). i hoped that the book would be more like those zines as much as possible. they were fab ! odd to think that the 'drug hell' bits occurred years *after* brett was on the front of the NME looking fcked, while inside the interviewer was asking 'are you a heroin addict' in response to damon albarn 's accusations.

the grimness in some of john harris' 'last party' britpop book was bad enough, i may not have the stomach for anymore smack-tales stuff. it's weird having the lid lifted to that extent. i spent most of the time reading it with my jaw in my lap.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i hoped that the book would be more like those zines as much as possible. they were fab !

While it's hardly a total snarkfest, there's plenty of humor and personal commentary from David, who puts himself into the story at points with good effect. He notes that one of his first jobs as a general Suede 'dogsbody' was to deliver some jeans to Brett's place back in, I think, 1995 or so. So he goes round, rings the doorbell, leaves voice messages, notes that somebody is in the house flicking back an upstairs curtain every so often, never gets any answer, so he stuffs the jeans through the mail slot and leaves. He finds out later that Brett and his good friend/flatmate Andy (I hope I have the name right) were convinced he was Bernard coming around to berate or beat them! I will say there's a touch of the resemblance if you squint and all, but I would have thought David's Scottish accent would have given it away...

odd to think that the 'drug hell' bits occurred years *after* brett was on the front of the NME looking fcked, while inside the interviewer was asking 'are you a heroin addict' in response to damon albarn 's accusations.

Yes, that's specifically talked about -- Justine, who happily participated in interviews for the book, explained that at the time of those rumors, its source was one D. Albarn. Brett was not in fact taking smack at the time, but not so oddly enough, sez Justine, Mr. Albarn was. Figures.

David's way of describing how the whole love triangle got started is pretty damn funny. He looks at it with the right outsider's perspective and pretty much concludes, "Look, how WASN'T this going to happen?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

All I can say is that SWIDE on TOTP last Friday were humblingly bad.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm afraid the Doc.'s right - plenty of posturing with the guitars and the mic stand but nothing that I could identify by way of a tune.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't see it but Kate St. Claire sez they were rock and Blur were suck. So clearly you're both wrong, uh yeah. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

So the book is out then? I had wanted to read it, David is certainly a character so I thought the book would probably be very gossipy and snarky.

Nicolars (Nicole), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

It's only been available for a few weeks via the ICA bookshop but general release and availability should be any day now; check amazon.co.uk. 18 pounds was the price at ICA.

David's certainly done his research to back up all the snarky stuff, I'll say. Snippets from direct interviews everywhere, as thorough a going over of the Bernard interview material as I've seen (he was contacted and the two talked but Bernard didn't want to participate directly -- David includes one brief new quote and that's it), all sorts of stories about more stories, like the 'bring me a nine-year-old' shaggy dog story Suzy talked about in one of the older threads...

And that reminds me! Suzy herself is quoted via a Guardian story she did. Aw.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

on a tangent, i was meaning to start a thread asking if suede had done anything (album tracks/b-side - i heard the singles and they were rub) worth hearing post coming up, and here seems as good a place as any. so is there anything i should seek out?

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Definitely all depends on who you talk to on that front. I will say -- repeating a comment from one of the older threads, I think -- that I really enjoy a slew of the Head Music B-sides, and have made a CDR comp of them that I listen to more than the actual album. I can burn a copy for ya if you'd like. I am in the process of doing a similar comp from the last three singles, but I need to get someone to rip copies of the B-sides from the DVD singles.

A New Morning I just haven't listened to enough to say which tracks are the ones that stand out, but Head Music itself has some sleeper goodness on it -- "He's Gone" and "Down" are both very good in their melancholic mode and "Elephant Man" is just ridiculously goony and all the better for it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

(And stepping back to the bio a bit, turns out "My Insatiable One" was Brett writing a lyric from Justine's point of view about the split!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

on a tangent, i was meaning to start a thread asking if suede had done anything (album tracks/b-side - i heard the singles and they were rub) worth hearing post coming up, and here seems as good a place as any. so is there anything i should seek out?

New Morning is generally shit, but "Lost in TV" and "Astrogirl" have choruses the equal of anything they've done before (the latter seems to be a rip-off of DMS-era b-side "Asda Town"). Also "...untitled" is exactly as good as the meloncholy songs from Head Music mentioned by Ned, if just as ploddingly competent.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

A very good interview with David about the book here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Definitely all depends on who you talk to on that front. I will say -- repeating a comment from one of the older threads, I think -- that I really enjoy a slew of the Head Music B-sides, and have made a CDR comp of them that I listen to more than the actual album. I can burn a copy for ya if you'd like.

mmm, yeah, that'd be good...

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"Didn't see it but Kate St. Claire sez they were rock and Blur were suck. So clearly you're both wrong, uh yeah."

I thought Blur were significantly better than my (admitedly extremely low) expectations - in fact I almost feel inclined to give "Think Tank" another chance....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh. I thought it was very interesting that Suede and Blur were back to back on TOTP, and I felt strangely disloyal in thinking that Suede were great and Blur were listless, boring and uninspired. I don't like Think Tank, I'll be honest about that - Blur without Graham is just a Damon Vanity Album, and it shows.

Attitude, however, was skinny and tight and slinky black trousers and yes, a little hint of Missy Elliott and Brett looking better than he has any right to do. The last Suede album - though I did like it - was very much Suede Trying To Make A Suede Album, glam descends and all. This sounded like Suede moving on and following a natural progression instead of going backwards, and I liked it. It was rock.

I thought I was through with reading rock bios, but I'll probably get this one. Bret Anderson can rattle me hormonally like few rocks stars can.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Trust me, it'll be worth it on that front. ;-)

Just finished listening to A New Morning for the first time in months. It's better than I remember it! Kate's right in her assessment but it's the lighter approach which helps set it apart.

Toby, drop me a direct line and I'll see what I can do...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)


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