your favourite music writers? (and not necessarily music journos either)

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hi,
just wondering who people's fave music writers are? i really enjoy the writing of "proper" music journos like philip sherburne, alex ross and jon dale, but i also like what i've read by non-journo folk, like brian eno and...hm, who is someone who is *not* nick hornby??
okay, hornby stab aside, one of my favourite bits of writing on music is from "the heart is a lonely hunter" by carson mccullers (the scene where mick overhears a symphony on the radio, to be precise), so i'd be keen to know who else writes well & vividly about music.
thankyou.

― robot snare, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Legs McNeil.
John Leland.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Not necessarily an all-time favorite, but Richard Gehr, wherever you are, I stole a ton of tricks from you and would like to say thanks.

― Lee G (Lee G), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Charles Aaron circa 97.
Rev. Norb from Maximum RNR circa 95.
Sasha Frere-Jones.
The Ego Trip people.
Sometimes Simon Reynolds.

Also, I sort of learned about music writing from reading Jim Maher, who wrote for the Baltimore City Paper when I was in middle school. Any idea what happened to that guy, Lee?

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, Jim. Last I heard, he was managing a Record and Tape Traders.

― Lee G (Lee G), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Though my saying this will embarrass her horribly, our own Ally K. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Jim Dodge (novel)

Kodwo Eshun (journo)

― jed (jed_e_3), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

ian penman
simon reynolds
philip sherburne
tim finney
barney hoskyns
nik cohn
and tons of others...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned Rorem
Francis Davis
Charles Mingus
Chuck Eddy
Frank Kogan
Don Allred
Mike Stax
Julian Cope

― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

This is my favorite piece of music writing for the next five minutes: "A QUARTET FOR OUR TIMES: An obituary for Olivier Messiaen, John Cage, Astor Piazzolla and Dizzy Gillespie".

I am not familiar with this writer or anything, but just came across this while doing a search.

― Al Andalous, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Bret Easton Ellis
Will Self
Joan Didion
Dave Eggers
some Susan Sontag

music writers? I'd have to think about it.

Lee, I wish you'd write more for BCP. Your sly sensibility is missed.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

what happened to charles aaron?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Sam Bloch.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

It's interesting; when I think about music writing I think about it in terms of the publication more than the individual writers - except in the cases of BCP and NYT, where they come out more often than the magazines do and I have the opportunity to get in tune with different people's styles.

Lee: I meant that comment in regards to writing about music; you routinely write about film.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

whatever happened to bob mack?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I find Nick Kent hard to take seriously, having seen that Smiths South Bank Show documentary.

― Jez (Jez), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooh...yeah, Julian Cope! Good one, good one. I don't always agree with him, but I enjoy reading his stuff.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I am amazed to see Ned Rorem here, if only because I only know him as a composer.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick Southall.

― Leon Neyfakh, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I wrote more music stuff too, Ray, but I don't have the time for it anymore, sad to say.

― Lee G (Lee G), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

kodwo eshun (forever and ever)
sasha frere-jones
philip sherburne
matt ingraham
jess harvell
tim finney
trife

i guess i could also mention nicholas slominsky

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

aagh i forgot mark sinker

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

This girl the other night who described a band as:

"They sound like shit and look like cocks."

― mei (mei), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I can recommend heartily the work of Nick Tosches, particularly his book on Jerry Lee Lewis. Butt someone who is a very under-rated writer on the subject of pop is Bill Drummond. Read 'In prasie of council homes', his essay in the reprint of 'The Manual: How To Have A Number 1 Hit The Easy Way' (actually, the whole thing's pretty much essential).

As for journos, I like anyone who can make me laugh, especially professional churl David Quantick.

― Persecution Smith, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I am amazed to see Ned Rorem here, if only because I only know him as a composer.

His diaries are extremely fascinating, Dan. Well worth a good skim, at least.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I've got his diaries around somewhere! Must read that one day.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick Southall and Leon Neyfakh

― Sam Bloch, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i forgot mark k-punk

― jed (jed_e_3), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.gould.nlc-bnc.ca/docs/ehf.htm

i like this fella too. he's a hoot! RE:Ned Rorem-i like his essays on/and reviews of music. although, i enjoy the diaries a great deal. the earlier ones are better by the way. although they are all pretty entertaining. I'd also like to give a shout-out to Darius James's book That's Blaxploitation! although not a book on music, there is plenty of great-and hilarious-music talk in it.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, they're all good.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

flannery o'connor
julio cortazar
don delillo
m.a. asturias

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

haikunym, are you really a fan of Great Jones Street? mebbe i will read it again, but i remember thinking what a dated clunker that book is. course, it's been years. much better is the dustin hoffman movie Who Is Harry Kellerman And Why Is He Saying Those Terrible Things About Me? and it should be noted that i am a big fan of Americana, End Zone, Ratner's Star, The Names, The Day Room, Mao 2, and White Noise.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

never read great jones.
thinking more about white noise--
those nerd professors,

great ILM talk:
"where were you when elvis died?"
et and cetera

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

ah, i see. that explains it. don't let me scare you off great jones street though. read it anyway.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

sure, scott, it's in my
Must-Read Dated Clunkers pile
(next to Ulysses)

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

byron coley
jay hinman
tim ellison
mike mcgonigal
brian turner
matthew st. germaine
heather phares
jack cole
msp

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

how could I forget Glenn McDonald?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

gygax! beat me to Heather Phares.

― Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Peter Miller

― Keith Watson (kmw), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

leon nick and sam circle jerk!!

― Leon Neyfakh, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Ozzy Stillbourne

― Uri Gellar, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Now we're really talking.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Jon Savage is my favorite music writer.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Thursday, 23 October 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Christgau, Savage, Reynolds, Greil Marcus, John Leland (GREAT call, Alex). lots of folks on this board. Peter S. Scholtes at City Pages, and Rod Smith, who writes there and for Seattle Weekly.

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 23 October 2003 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

ewing, sinker, finney, matos, reynolds, eshun, kogan, eddy, seward, padgett, blah blah blah

― mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 23 October 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Xgau, eddy, Rob Sheffield, Marcus before whenever, ummm....ummm....

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 23 October 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

marion leonard, joanne gottlieb, gayle wald, mavis bayton, mary ann clawson, marcia citron. um, i like meltzer when he doesn't write about music.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 23 October 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone who's never written about Radiohead or the Strokes.

― Yhatzee champ, Thursday, 23 October 2003 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Josh Low, Derek Asamoah, Tom Youngs, Chris Carruthers, Paul Ricketts, that Paul Harsley guy...

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 23 October 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

haha nobody has said bangs! has ilx put a hex on him?

anyway, alltha noizeboys and alltha voice writers who have posted on ilx ever (or ilxers who have written for the voice) and alltha ego trip dudes and danyel smith and simon frith and etc.

i have a feeling there'd be more but i haven't really noticed.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 23 October 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

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Kurt B. Reighley (haven't read his book, it might change my mind), Lois Maffeo, Camden Joy, Zac Pennington, Douglas Wolk, John Darnielle, Al Larsen, Everett True (same thing about the book.

I know some of these people are on this board, no ass-kissing is intended.

― Kevin Erickson, Thursday, 23 October 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah mad props to camden joy too.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 23 October 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's see ... I'm one dem true rock-write nerds, so I indulge in old Jon Landau, Greil Marcus and Stephen Holden reviews all the time.

Modern folks I dig: Mikael Wood, Chuck Eddy, David Fricke, Piotr Orlov, Sasha Frere-Jones (whose work borders on genius often these days), Chuck Klosterman (an underrated reporter), Rob Harvilla, Jess Harvell, John Darnielle, Kate Sullivan, Jeff Chang, Phil Freeman, all four guys at the New York Times (probably the four most technically-gifted writers of this bunch), and my homies from Addicted to Noise --Chris Nelson and my mentor Matty Karas, who doesn't write much these days but when he does is still one of the best music critics alive (Dare I say, a better pure writer than anyone on this list save for Jon Pareles).

― Chris O., Thursday, 23 October 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Something I've noticed ... folks on this board seem more impressed with ubergeek knowledge, prolificness and provocative attitude than with ability as reporters and critics, i.e. the ability to make a good case and write it beautifully.

I'll take a guy who owns just 400 CDs and has never even heard of Pere Ubu over one rents out a warehouse just for his Detroit house music collection and wakes up critic-catty if the former has the tools.

The ones who can do it all and encomapass everything I've said here, btw, are the real superstars!!

― Chris O., Thursday, 23 October 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Coincidentally, no one should read that last post as a diss on anyone else mentioned here. Everyone listed by folks is a very good writer. I'm just shouting-out my preferred traits, that's all.

― Chris O., Thursday, 23 October 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll take anyone over someone who writes sentences as incomprehensible as the above.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 23 October 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i dont feel like looking like a kissass, so ill leave names out, but IMHO lots of people on this board are exceptionally good music writers.

― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 23 October 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"just" 400 CDs? HAHAHAHAHA!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 October 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I know, mock away, but "just" 400 was a while ago ... And remind me to judge your work by meaningless, tossed salad ILM posts, too, Fritz. :-)

― Chris O., Thursday, 23 October 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

no, reporting is urgent & key and extremely hard work. that's one reason I love Scholtes so much--he covers Minneapolis music like a beat, and he's great at detail.

the funny hip-hop writer in The Wire is Dave Tompkins, and he is magnificent. Hua Hsu, who splits duties with him, is one of my favorites too.

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 23 October 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

ditto Peter Shapiro. the reason I've not posted more is because I could go on a LOT more than I really want to.

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 23 October 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry, chris, that was a cheap shot. i'm just grumpy.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 23 October 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

No, offense taken, Fritz ... I'm good natured about these things.

And yup, reporting is 90% of the game and the ones that can mix it with the wit and criticism are generally the best at this game. Scholtes is another great one, Matos. Would never dispute that, and you're really good, too, obviously. Your Billboard #1s project is fascinating, if a little insane. :-)

― Chris O., Friday, 24 October 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Best writing about music I've read this year is in Richard Powers's novel "In the Time of Our Singing."

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Friday, 24 October 2003 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Julie Burchill, Mikal Gilmore, Patrick McCabe

― Ian Grey (Ian_G), Friday, 24 October 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Sasha Frere-Jones, Alex Ross, Monica Kendrick, Patrick Amory back in the day, Keven McAlester. Greil Marcus when he writes long. Glenn McDonald when he's not listing songs one by one. Drew Daniel, who I wish would write for publication more. Stephen Burt.

― Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 24 October 2003 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Henry Rollins is my fav. author of any genre.

― noddymix, Friday, 24 October 2003 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Henry Rollins is my fav. author of any genre.

Really?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 October 2003 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Marcello Carlin
John Darnielle
Glenn MacDonald
SFJ
Ira Robbins
Simon Reynolds
Paul Morley
Heather Phares
Many many more...

― David A. (Davant), Friday, 24 October 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Marcello Carlin, yes!!! Can't fucking believe he hasn't been namechecked so far. And yeah, S fucking FJ is kicking major ass right now.

Essentially, all others namechecked on this thread are incredibly great. Especially the Meltzer/Bangs/Eddy/Kogan/Sinker/Ewing/Harvell/ILX/ad inf.. lineage.

And of course, I prolly learned the most from - Robert Palmer, John Litweiler, Charles Keil, David Toop and John Corbett. Amazing writers that really funnel lifetimes of experience into their stuff. All of them have endeavored to explicate the way disparate musics function on musicological and sociological levels. They've all been extremely inspiring; really engendered the kind of catholic way I approach all this crazy sound stuffff.....

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 24 October 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm scrolling right to the end w/o reading a single post to say that (and has anyone said this ever?) that our own Ronan is often a great and perceptive writer who's intelligent without ever seeming pretentious and who communicates genuine enthusiasm for his subject.

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 24 October 2003 07:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Just finished reading former wire writer Max harrison's collection of essays of jazz essays 'A jazz retrospect' and must be mentioned. I'd like to think his books will come back in print so many of you can enjoy them (and most of you would). Search some of the old wires which sinker or richard cook were editing to read some of his stuff.

too many to mention and i don't want to leave any of my faves out so I'm not gonna do a list but dave q is another who hasn't cropped up here.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 October 2003 07:27 (twenty-two years ago)

both gerard cosloy and steve albini back in the day.

peter guralnick. speaking of great reporters.

jane dark, who i find wildly inconsistent but when he's on he's on.

eric demby.

whoever used to write the captions at creem.

harvey pekar.

and an honorable mention to joel whitburn, because his raw data sometimes speak more eloquently than the most fluid prose. (but what i'm waiting for is pop music's equivalent of bill james, someone who can flip all that raw data on its head, prove that everything we thought we knew was wrong, and make the case that maybe "take a bow" really wasn't madonna's most successful single.)

― fact checking cuz, Saturday, 25 October 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

byron coley
jay hinman
tim ellison
mike mcgonigal
brian turner
matthew st. germaine
heather phares
jack cole
msp
-- gygax! (gygax0...), October 22nd, 2003.

dude, i'm honored yo. eep!!
m.

― msp, Saturday, 25 October 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Seymour Glass.

― hstencil, Saturday, 25 October 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

dave q is my favorite music writer of all time. there are a whole lot more and i will list them when i am not drunk

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 25 October 2003 06:46 (twenty-two years ago)

and an honorable mention to joel whitburn

Haha, I wrote a letter to Joel Whitburn when I was 13, basically saying that I wanted his job when I grew up. He wrote me a very nice letter "from the desk of Joel Whitburn" with advice that amounted to "stay in school and keep following the charts!"

Oh, I also asked him why he considered a #1 song to be superior to a #2 song (in his Top However-Many Singles of All Time), esp. since some #2s stayed in the top 10 for a really long time and many #1s rushed to the top and then sank. His defense was that many #1s also sell or get played up to twice as much as #2s, so you can't underestimate their power. That wasn't a very satisfying answer, I seem to recall.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 25 October 2003 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

(But Ewing, Daddino, and Matos, take note.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 25 October 2003 07:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I ditto geeta on dave q. dave q reviews The Darkness - coming soon to Stylus!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 25 October 2003 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it possible to appreciate someone's writing while simultaneously loathing their actual tastes? Because then I'd have to put Christgau on my list.

Richard Meltzer, too. Not that I'm shedding any tears over his getting ejected from Seattle Weekly (he sort of stopped talking about actual new music that lots of people actually listened to, didn't he?), but (a) he could be nonsequitorially hilarious and (b) HE WROTE "BURNIN' FOR YOU".

When this thread started I thought I'd feel like a sycophantic dork if I included Matos. Then I read this and I decided I'd feel like an idiot for not including him. (Also I bought those two very albums on LP yesterday.)

After this, I am befuddled that Keith Harris' name has only shown up on this thread twice, once as an actual poster.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 25 October 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, speaking of peter shapiro, i haven't seen much of him in the last couple of wire issues i've bought. where did he go? i think he's great.

― seanp (seanp), Saturday, 25 October 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, peter shapiro, dave q, and daddino all should be on my list too. and xgau, who i enjoy but am rarely blow away by anymore.

― mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 25 October 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

one thing simon trife said about xgau which i find to be true too: ilove how he loves language almost to the point of corniness. also, morality in popular crit is hella rare these days. (see also sfj who is less preachy about it.) (i do my best.)

― mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 25 October 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

john darnielle too (though i liked him better when he was writing more about music that more than 10 people have heard.) ian penman used to be a god, but i don't want to start trotting out nietzche quotes here.

― mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 25 October 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

if i ever see his consumers guide page and christgau's reviewed an electronic music album, i might drop dead. it IS 2003, isn't it?

― seanp (seanp), Saturday, 25 October 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

''(though i liked him better when he was writing more about music that more than 10 people have heard)''

so you mean he's gotten more interesting ;)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 25 October 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Right now, I'm a big fan of Sasha Frere-Jones, Chuck Klosterman, and Eppy from the Clap Clap blog.

I like Douglas Wolk a lot too.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 25 October 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh gosh, and John Darnielle. Definitely him too.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 25 October 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony Heilbut (sp?)
Jimmy McDonough
Michael Lydon

― P. J. Scott, Saturday, 25 October 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as I know, Billy Altman was among the primary captions gurus at Creem. He was my reviews editor at SonicNet, and, yes, he certainly is fabulous.

Others I neglected to mention in the earlier post: Guralnick, Charley Cross, Nelson George, Cheo Coker, Chuck fucking Phillips (he's, like, the guy with the Pulitzer), Xgau, Richard Gehr, Chet Flippo, Nick Catucci (the under-25 champ), Michael Goldberg, Eric Boehlert, Tom Moon.

Amnd has anyone else noticed that most of the reviews in Rolling Stone these days suck?

― Chris O., Saturday, 25 October 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Some great calls on here.

Ooh, good one, Matthew -- Eppy! I love his blog. He's prolific too.

― David A. (Davant), Saturday, 25 October 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Nate, you know what you said about syncophant-dorkiness? That's why I didn't mention Keith Harris earlier. (and thanks, btw!)

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 25 October 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

seymour glass

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 27 October 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

copycat!

― hstencil, Monday, 27 October 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, sorry about that! hugglez! ^<>^

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 27 October 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

earl kuck that's who

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 27 October 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I decided with the new issue that I don't like Stanley Zappa's reviews all that much.

― hstencil, Monday, 27 October 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, between that Strokes article and the "Summer Hits" article from last year, Keith Harris has totally impressed me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 October 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

the strokes piece hurts me in my heart cuz it's so goddamned good

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 27 October 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

eighteen years pass...

While there is a short thread invoking his name this one seems more appropriate -- Joel Whitburn, mentioned upthread here, has passed away.

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/joel-whitburn-rip.1148042/

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 20:08 (three years ago)

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