Aggressive elements of underground experimental minimal rock/noise yet not as shy with melodies as some of their contemporaries. Great synth-y cluster-bloops performed with an energy seemingly imported from the more throbbing ft. thunder outfits (mindflayer).
Ian's giving Hair Police way too much lip service on their own thread while these guys impressed me much more.
What are your thoughts? Feelings?
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)
Hurlo is OTM in that they seem to be much more into really herky-jerky rhythms and grating-but-catchy melodies. Kind of like Deerhoof in that way, sans vocals. I suspect they listened to The Fall and Wire when Hair Police were listening to Whitehouse and Throbbing Gristle.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 23 October 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)
Better NYC bands include Coptic Light, Battles, Endless Boogie, The SB, Humecetant Interruption, etc., etc., yadda yadda yadda.
― hstencil, Thursday, 23 October 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Thursday, 23 October 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 23 October 2003 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Thursday, 23 October 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 23 October 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Thursday, 23 October 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 23 October 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Thursday, 23 October 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)
i love how lauren just totally writes off sightings... *sniff*
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 23 October 2003 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)
Really?
(gygax! I'm sending an email your way soon)
― adaml (adaml), Thursday, 23 October 2003 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― adaml (adaml), Thursday, 23 October 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)
My friend Nate is like that too. He saw them do some improv thing and now he's all "eh, fuck sightings. they suck." BUT THEY DON'T!! AND HE COULD SEE THEM *ALLTHETIME*--first impressions. I've been kind of sad that I've lived here for a few months now and still haven't seen 'em. Saw em in Providence a long while back with Olneyville Sound System, and it was amazing.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 23 October 2003 07:11 (twenty-two years ago)
ps- coptic light are goddawful. just sayin'.
― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 23 October 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 23 October 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)
Also, I guess I forgot Sightings, I do like them all right (although I'm not sure if I'll ever get around to buying anything by them). Another good NYC band (via LA): Young People.
Didn't know your true feelings on Coptic Light, lauren. I promise I won't tell Coach Winterberg!
― hstencil, Thursday, 23 October 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 23 October 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)
When they're on, tho, Coptic Light can be like my favorite band ever.
― hstencil, Thursday, 23 October 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 23 October 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)
A dude who lives in my dorm has a band that played with Coptic Light a few weeks ago. I went to see his band, who were decent, but Coptic Light were indeed pretty bad.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 23 October 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Thursday, 23 October 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 23 October 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)
fmbb
about 3 years ago (after he moved to SF from RI)...
YOU MIGHT KNOW HIM AS BROWN FROM PINK AND BROWN.
but still, the don cab stuff i really don't hear wrt: P&L (liek who's the fripp-wannabe in P&L????), the drummer is totally ft. thunder-esque, ef awl ewe. aaron dub's cousin holds down the melodies naturally he's the focus of all the crit here. not to say y'all aren't free to disagree but hey, pick on someone your own age.
hstencil: gembaku onanies = "those whose orgasms via masturbation are comparable to an atomic bomb explosion replete with mushroom cloud sprouting from the loins". the first hardcore band from japan. go see them live. it will all fall in to place.
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 23 October 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)
dude! providence bands(fortthunderbands) do not have a distinctive drum sound! landed != Lightning Bolt != Olneyville Sound System != The White Mice.
Adam Autry, probably one of the only non-Chippendale drummers people have heard in large quantities, sounds NOTHING LIKE BRIAN. Where does this come from?
I don't think the drummer is, though, much like either of those bands (or sounds.) I'm pretty drunk now;---granted, the only P&L stuff I've heard recorded is their 7"; I don't listen to it much, but when I listen to it, I think the drums kind of remind me just a more traditional dubby/gr00vy rock band--swings like the stones but not without much purpose.
lvvvv yoouu.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 24 October 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Friday, 24 October 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Friday, 24 October 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 24 October 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Monday, 17 November 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)
We took our drummer to the hospital after Siren Fest. Brooklyn emergency medical care is THIRD WORLD, and sucks horribly. Other than that, Siren was cool, but the bands just aren't the point. Except Ted Leo, I love him.
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)
it's all so siloed
i have already alerted some of my Discord cells
― miserable pessi reign (imago), Monday, 13 July 2026 20:50 (three months ago)
<3
― EsBeeKid (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 13 July 2026 20:50 (three months ago)
it's all underground resistance these days whiney, that does make it cooler though doesn't it. less financially rewarding, but cooler
― miserable pessi reign (imago), Monday, 13 July 2026 20:51 (three months ago)
For sure, I mean P&L was never a money-earner for me, outside of the occasional $40 ASCAP check. I definitely don't have any illusions of a bunch of guys pushing 50 becoming the new Turnstile, I just want there to be enough demand that we can play more than these four shows and maybe put out record #7
― EsBeeKid (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 13 July 2026 21:02 (three months ago)
so many good songs but Endless Cycle 4 into Indecision Tree is utterly heroic stuff my god
― miserable pessi reign (imago), Monday, 13 July 2026 21:27 (three months ago)
the secret ingredient is andrew wk obv. i approve, a lot
― miserable pessi reign (imago), Monday, 13 July 2026 21:41 (three months ago)
"Indecision Tree"! "We watch it grow." Ain't it so, Song/track of the year so far: like If Kevin Ayers x cusp Eno could get really heavy, positively crunchy, and keep growing. Hope Anglophile Classic Rock comparisons/pipe dream extensions are OK, because gotta say that "Arterial Material" kicks off my first-listening fave rave subset, like if the Beatles could have kept pushing themselves/Lennon kept lashing them in this direction, cont. w "Antio-Lions and "Lemonade," the ever-apt "Descending" recurrence, "Endless Cycle Pt. 3." jump to "I.T.," while jangletroninc jaunt of "Like They're Here Tp Stay" and intriguing build of title track could have advabced Who's Next maybe too mch for the villagers, but only on first listen.Who are you re touring line-up? Only seeing the basic four in press notes.
― dow, Tuesday, 14 July 2026 22:45 (three months ago)
"Anti-Lions," sorry.
― dow, Tuesday, 14 July 2026 22:46 (three months ago)
It’s going to be BJ, Dan and me with Clara from Starring (g), Pete from Sunwatchers (b) and Nick from Black Hollies (d)
― EsBeeKid (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 July 2026 23:08 (three months ago)
OMG a Sunwatcher, thanks!
― dow, Tuesday, 14 July 2026 23:52 (three months ago)
I was also gonna say, there's some Trail of Dead and a LOT of Secret Machines in here too. If you remember Secret Machines fondly, tap in
― miserable pessi reign (imago), Wednesday, 15 July 2026 06:26 (two months ago)
I did share it on the Cardiacs Facebook page a few days ago fwiw, it's pretty congruent with a lot of ppl's listening habits on there.
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 15 July 2026 08:56 (two months ago)
Fuck me, this really is good. Maybe too slamming for headphones on bus journeys - I kept wanting to do ridiculous air drums.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 15 July 2026 15:51 (two months ago)
the other night after being told to shush my headphones i snuck to the bathroom to listen and ultimately dance to 'indecision tree'
― miserable pessi reign (imago), Wednesday, 15 July 2026 15:56 (two months ago)
the longer songs especially on this are spectacular
Candidate for 'posts vmic' thread, ha.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 15 July 2026 15:59 (two months ago)
lol yes
keep spotting things - Many Worlds is the greatest Devin Townsend song in like 2 decades plus
― miserable pessi reign (imago), Wednesday, 15 July 2026 15:59 (two months ago)
among other things ofc
― miserable pessi reign (imago), Wednesday, 15 July 2026 16:02 (two months ago)
I've just been reminded that Dan P&L wrote an incredibly flattering piece about the SoL album a few years ago - Whiney, can you give him a high five from me?
― emil.y, Wednesday, 15 July 2026 16:08 (two months ago)
Great stuff Whiney! I listened to it on a plane ride today, made it feel like the plane was going 1,000 miles an hour. "Seamripper" is a monster.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 16 July 2026 03:38 (two months ago)
bummed we'll not get the hart/kreutzmann P&L tour
― My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Thursday, 16 July 2026 07:17 (two months ago)
holy shit this starts off with a bang!!! just digging in
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 July 2026 14:56 (two months ago)
you crazy for this one whiney!great stuff
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 July 2026 15:02 (two months ago)
this rules, congrats to whiney & all drummers around the world, i love it when you mf's hit things really hard
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Thursday, 16 July 2026 15:15 (two months ago)
I was a big fan of all the Parts and Labor records as well as Dan's 1st solo album. Mapmaker was my intro, then I went back to Stay Afraid. Had no idea whiney was connected to these guys / in the band but am very much looking forard to giving this a spin.
― Indexed, Thursday, 16 July 2026 15:29 (two months ago)
My favourite keeps changing, but atm I think it's the bit in 'Off By One' where the synth(?)/guitar(?) sounds like bagpipes.
I am most drawn to the ones that could conceivably be described as militaristic/anthemic/triumphant - it's like, well, the world is burning and my brain is broken but this march is keeping me and my comrades upright and walking through all this chaos surrounding us.
― emil.y, Thursday, 16 July 2026 15:50 (two months ago)
yeah this is very triumphant sounding, very anthemic overall
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 July 2026 18:05 (two months ago)
just coming here to cosign the love
― Serfin' USA (sleeve), Thursday, 16 July 2026 18:20 (two months ago)
You guys <3.....
(also, emil.y, I let Dan know)
― EsBeeKid (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 16 July 2026 21:12 (two months ago)
Finally was able to listen to this during a long drive and I’m completely floored at how amazing this is. Like, once I saw the dual drummer lineup I had a feeling it was going to be good, but I just was not expecting something as monumental as this. A true double LP.
― My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Sunday, 19 July 2026 21:58 (two months ago)
Had it on at the gym yesterday, can confirm it's good workout music too.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 19 July 2026 22:11 (two months ago)
have my fingers crossed kid millions and barrett wilke can thrash out with the band on "endless cycle pt. 4"
― My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Wednesday, 22 July 2026 04:44 (two months ago)
also, if there's a just world, we'd get a alan sparhawk/p&l/nin tour
― My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Wednesday, 22 July 2026 04:47 (two months ago)
Man, we all love those last two Low albums where they went all fuzzed out
EC4 will have a special guest viola player in every city on this run
― EsBeeKid (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2026 05:09 (two months ago)
was in a car journey yesterday and my friends playlist came to 'nowheres nigh'let them know about the new record and we ended up listening to many worlds three times in a rowjust great stuff this
― nxd, Wednesday, 22 July 2026 15:18 (two months ago)
Is Ezra B playing viola on West Coast gigs?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 22 July 2026 17:37 (two months ago)
Man, I love 'Nowheres Nigh' too :)
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 22 July 2026 20:35 (two months ago)
Ezra is just on the SF show
― EsBeeKid (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2026 21:50 (two months ago)
Lol at me guessing who the viola player was based on my degree in hipster studies from 2010
― sarahell, Saturday, 25 July 2026 16:38 (two months ago)
listening to the Mike Watt podcast right now and bless you for holding our true ILX whiney back for that one. just picturing the '94 grunge/beastie boys discussion had me laughing.
― My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Monday, 27 July 2026 15:28 (two months ago)
This record is really cool.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 27 July 2026 17:06 (two months ago)
Endless Cycle 2 reminding me a lot of Vison Creation Newsun. So sick
― gman59, Monday, 27 July 2026 18:27 (two months ago)
Good set last night! I felt transported back to 2007 in a good way.
― sarahell, Monday, 27 July 2026 21:03 (two months ago)
Only disappointment was that they ignored my request for a cover of “Roll Out”
― sarahell, Monday, 27 July 2026 21:05 (two months ago)
lol
I've been listening to this album at the gym. Pretty epic.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 28 July 2026 02:43 (two months ago)
For the record, the band was very tight and I had the utmost confidence that they could agree on where the 1 was.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 28 July 2026 16:48 (two months ago)
lol, I can imagine an uptempo noise rock 'Roll Out'
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 28 July 2026 16:51 (two months ago)
i feel like if i heard "seamripper" come on over gym speakers i'd just immediately want to do 2 extra sets of reps.
― My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Tuesday, 28 July 2026 20:02 (two months ago)
one of my kids requested we play the "crazy drum song" on the drive home from their ballet practice
― My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Wednesday, 23 September 2026 07:01 (three weeks ago)
Ha! Which song is that?
― EsBeeKid (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 24 September 2026 00:35 (two weeks ago)